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Vaalith Jinn
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02-22-2008 15:28
It was top non-stickied post in this subforum and the topic looked interesting, why not?

I'm not going to start a game of fling-a-poo here since evidently the discussion of said topic is not a priority.

Anyone interested in debating on this topic, purely for the debate itself IM me.
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02-22-2008 15:34
Which topic? Yours, or the one of the thread?
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Usagi Musashi
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02-22-2008 21:42
Well people like you that put ASSUmptions like this shows how little you understand women. :rolleyes:
Farallon Greyskin
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02-23-2008 01:41
The OP's use of the search work "friendship" to compare to "rape" was pretty well calculated to present his preconceived opinion.

Try searching for the word "love" instead. There are hundreds of not thousands of entries compared to < 100 for "rape". Actually I got about 366 for "friends"...

Society is just fine thank you.
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02-23-2008 15:36
This
Thread
Is
Dead.
Please
Stop
Posting!
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02-23-2008 16:23
Please stop reading this thread too if you can't handle it continuing
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LillyBeth Filth
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02-23-2008 23:52
From: Zoo Vale
Want to be depressed? Type the word “rape” into a places search and see what comes up. There are currently 63 places that use rape as a key word. Try “friendship”; 29 responses. Something of an indictment of the general human condition or does it say something about the sl community? I have had heated conversations with the owners of male and female avi’s on this subject and get told that I don’t understand RP and today that I was taking rape out context - I would have smiled it if wasn’t such an outrageous comment. Oh yeah, and anyway, lots of woman have a rape fantasy and SL gives them a chance to RP it. Never the mind the RL inadequate who gets his ideas about violence against women validated. I don’t care if it is consensual; in fact that makes the action of the “victim” a lot worse. It isn’t just those Gor wierdos btw. Incidentally, I don’t have an answer to this; I just wanted to have a rant.


You opened a can or worms here bud.
I once dared to share my opinion on RP under age sex here and was called " bored" and it was none of my business.
Then ....oh about 7 mths later SL was on the news in the UK , one of the reporters had gone in under cover and hung around "playgrounds" in SL and they did a report about the escorts dressed up as little girls offereing their "services"
They had peodophile experts on saying how easily "RP" fantasy can often lead to needing to take it to real life and how it "can" in certain people encourage peodphilia.
(something else I said and was laughed at and called ignorant )

Bottom line? They contacted LL who went and closed all of the discovered Playgrounds and released a report about how they didnt condone OR approve of this culture.
LL have always known about it but like anything until some governing body makes a fuss they turn a blind eye...

Now watch the replies I get here!

lol

I wont be replying so "go for it "

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Thili Playfair
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02-24-2008 07:05
Yeah... go to one of those "places" and i bet you wont find nothing but afk chair campers anyway :)

The search is useless, everyone puts in keywords to maximise hits and it rarly have what it advertise anyway, oh hey welcome to the internet its full of ads.
Briana Dawson
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02-24-2008 07:08
From: Zoo Vale
Want to be depressed? Type the word “rape” into a places search and see what comes up. There are currently 63 places that use rape as a key word. Try “friendship”; 29 responses. Something of an indictment of the general human condition or does it say something about the sl community? I have had heated conversations with the owners of male and female avi’s on this subject and get told that I don’t understand RP and today that I was taking rape out context - I would have smiled it if wasn’t such an outrageous comment. Oh yeah, and anyway, lots of woman have a rape fantasy and SL gives them a chance to RP it. Never the mind the RL inadequate who gets his ideas about violence against women validated. I don’t care if it is consensual; in fact that makes the action of the “victim” a lot worse. It isn’t just those Gor wierdos btw. Incidentally, I don’t have an answer to this; I just wanted to have a rant.

Nice for a 2nd post.

Lucky for you i try my hardest to not denigrate people.

I started off agreeing with and almost replied before i completed reading your post. I ran across some groups for girls that actually made me cry, and wanted to share that...but ultimately, your post sucks.

Good try though. :rolleyes:
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02-24-2008 07:11
From: LillyBeth Filth
You opened a can or worms here bud.
I once dared to share my opinion on RP under age sex here and was called " bored" and it was none of my business.
Then ....oh about 7 mths later SL was on the news in the UK , one of the reporters had gone in under cover and hung around "playgrounds" in SL and they did a report about the escorts dressed up as little girls offereing their "services"
They had peodophile experts on saying how easily "RP" fantasy can often lead to needing to take it to real life and how it "can" in certain people encourage peodphilia.
(something else I said and was laughed at and called ignorant )


I saw that News report too LillyBeth - right as myself and work colleagues all sat down to eat lunch (there's a TV on in the background) - so now they all wonder what exactly it is I see in SL. :o
Usagi Musashi
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02-24-2008 07:35
From: someone
They had peodophile experts on saying how easily "RP" fantasy can often lead to needing to take it to real life and how it "can" in certain people encourage peodphilia.


Many on this forum laughed at the type of remarks when others brought this subject up in the past. But then again those that do don`t have children of their own. Or Believe it could never happen to their family. Silly people just don`t understand what can happen on sl can also occure in ther real World.
Lana Tomba
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02-24-2008 14:13
SL is nothing more than extension of RL folks..an extra "appendage";(if you will) of a much larger body.

Posting outrage about dinigrents in SL is all fine and good but where are you when the newest Cosmo magazine comes out displaying a 14 yr old model dressed like a 25 yr old prostitute on the magazine cover as a beauty icon for the world to idolize. :rolleyes:

Where are these people screaming "nay nay" when Milk companies are pumping so many hormones into our cows that our 9 yr old girls and boys are having and siring children.
We prosicute rape in rl but show it constantly on TV. We allow our children to be thought of as bitches and Hos and gangsters but when they "act" like it..we get our panties in a wad.

We immortalise men and women who use performance altering drugs to win..but then we tell our teens "it's wrong to do it" :rolleyes:

And somehow..in the end..after starting a virtual reality..we are shocked that women want to be raped? :rolleyes: That teens are sneaking into the adult grid out of curiosity about sexual deviance and we gasp? :rolleyes:

We readily would burn at the stake the pedophile who lives down the street but not dare infringe on the rights of the people who placed the ideas in his mind to begin with or even feed his sick fantasies in RL??
What sickens and outrages me more is the fact that we cause our own troubles and are so worried as of late about political correctness that we allow the causes ( not the symptoms) to go unchallenged..unaddressed.
I mean really..how we can we ever get our kids off the drugs if we have CVS pharmacies going up on every street corner faster than Micky D's?

Perfect example: New TV show on in the States..name is "Dexter"...a show that places a serial killer in the "hero" role!! :rolleyes: .. I mean really...are we that desperate for entertainment that we have to idolize serial killers now?

C'mon people..wake up!!

~Lana Tomba
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02-24-2008 18:45
*chuckles* Can't say better than that.
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Usagi Musashi
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02-24-2008 19:57
Looks arounds and says. whats you point............... :rolleyes: Then again you know how it is. Some that role play to the point of not only rape, but playing bang bang with guns.......You know who i refering too.........How is the big do do DOh guy anyways? :rolleyes: A griefter indeed in his time on sl........
Laura Lobo
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02-24-2008 20:44
Lana Tomba's post above reminded me of this e-mail I got a year or so ago.

From: someone

Today we mourn the passing of a beloved old friend,Common Sense, who
has been with us for many years. No one knows for sure how old he was since
his birth records were long ago lost in bureaucratic red tape. He will be
remembered as having cultivated such valuable lessons as knowing when to
come in out of the rain, why the early bird gets the worm, life isn't
always fair, and maybe it was my fault.


Common Sense lived by simple, sound financial policies (don't spend
more than you earn) and reliable parenting strategies (adults, not
children, are in charge). His health began to deteriorate rapidly when well
intentioned but overbearing regulations were set in place. Reports of a
six-year-old boy charged with sexual harassment for kissing a classmate;
teens suspended from school for using mouth wash after lunch; and a teacher
fired for reprimanding an unruly student, only worsened his condition.


Common Sense lost ground when parents attacked teachers for doing
the job they failed to do in disciplining their unruly children. It
declined even further when schools were required to get parental consent to
administer Panadol, sun lotion or a sticky plaster to a student; but, could
not inform the parents when a student became pregnant and wanted to have an
abortion.


Common sense lost the will to live as the Ten Commandments became
contraband; churches became businesses; and criminals received better
treatment than their victims.


Common Sense took a beating when you couldn't defend yourself from a
burglar in your own home and the burglar can sue you for assault. Common
Sense finally gave up the will to live after a woman failed to realize
that a steaming cup of coffee was hot. She spilled a little in her lap, and
was promptly awarded a huge settlement.


Common Sense was preceded in death by his parents, Truth and Trust;
his wife, Discretion; his daughter, Responsibility; and his son, Reason. He
is survived by three stepbrothers; I Know My Rights, Someone Else is to
Blame, and I'm A Victim. Not many attended his funeral because so few
realized he was gone. If you still remember him, pass this on. If not join
the majority and do nothing.
Draco18s Majestic
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02-24-2008 22:19
From: Laura Lobo
Lana Tomba's post above reminded me of this e-mail I got a year or so ago.



I remember that. I don't forward chain emails on general principle though--regarless of their intentions and how relevant the content is.

But I'd known Common Sense was dead before that went around.
Lana Tomba
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02-25-2008 03:40
From: Usagi Musashi
Looks arounds and says. whats you point............... :rolleyes: Then again you know how it is. Some that role play to the point of not only rape, but playing bang bang with guns.......You know who i refering too.........How is the big do do DOh guy anyways? :rolleyes: A griefter indeed in his time on sl........



Well Usagi..it's not that I'm really terribly concerned about the symptoms.

But I get sooo tired of hearing people whine and moan about the color of a bandaid when there's a gushing wound beneath.

If we would focus on root causes..the wounds will heal themselves. Education is a BIG key to healing. No Taboos no religious attachments to facts...simple awareness...self knowledge..would end alot of the social diseases that plague our society today as a whole.

Why is it that the the occurence of drunk driving and underage drinking to excessiveness isnt' found in European countries?...Well because they "teach" their children that alcohol is a FOOD...not a sin :rolleyes: ...something to be used in Moderation rather than treating it as a taboo and an act of right or passage into adult hood.

Same with Sex applies. If we would educate our kids when they ask..rather than let the TV educate them..and deal with the hard questions once(truthfully). Im quite confident the unwed teenage pregnancies would go down..so would the statistics on STDs.

Of course this theory can't be tested..well not here in the USA..but we certainly can look to our european cousins to find out what their social diseases are..and what they are not.

~Lana Tomba
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02-25-2008 04:06
Your still running around the point RP and how it effects factors RL. Didnt we learn anything from the child role play germany or child porn a while back? Frankly we havent. and you know what it wil happen again. Why? because LLABS always speaks a good story but they always back track on issues and goes back to letting people do whatever they want. Look at gambling and how they 180 turn and now you see some of the same gambling objects slowly coming back but with SL legal lables. What you expect from LLABS? ALL they care is about money. Frankly speaking LLABS even change past griefters avies into new ones because they spent so much money in the game. Its all about money. You know what and whom i refering too..........
Nargus Asturias
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02-25-2008 18:11
They need money. Where do you expect them to get fund from to support all those servers? Charity? There'll be no SL if LL don't make profit from it.
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Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2008 18:48
hahahahah that is a funny.............


Oh well.........whatever you point was it was never understood.........
Tegg Bode
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02-25-2008 21:56
From: Usagi Musashi
Your still running around the point RP and how it effects factors RL. Didnt we learn anything from the child role play germany or child porn a while back? Frankly we havent. and you know what it wil happen again. Why? because LLABS always speaks a good story but they always back track on issues and goes back to letting people do whatever they want. Look at gambling and how they 180 turn and now you see some of the same gambling objects slowly coming back but with SL legal lables. What you expect from LLABS? ALL they care is about money. Frankly speaking LLABS even change past griefters avies into new ones because they spent so much money in the game. Its all about money. You know what and whom i refering too..........

I'm sorry, I really didn't know what a Banana phone was when I rezzed it at that Furry KKK meeting............. :/
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Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2008 22:16
People write what when and where. What applies to a few minds doesnt apply to all. If people posted without double talking things wouldbe as have ******* as they say on the forums.
Missy Malaprop
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03-02-2008 13:00
In other news...
and millions of people who play games, acting out extreme violence and killing tons of people and blowing things up.. have taken to the streets lately and have killed off billions of others in the world... it wasn't their fault though, it was those video games that showed them how to do it, and that it was ok because no one said it was bad.



ya'll do know that in majority of cases, almost all cases, that people fantasize about things they never do, and never will do.... yes?


And Linden Labs never backtracked about anything with regards to Ageplay people like to bring up. They stopped allowing it to be advertised, and they said to not make graphical representations of children in sexual ways, because in some countries that considered child porn. Ya know what, sexual ageplay still happens, and luckily after they clarified this, it happens more realistically now and not disgustingly with children AVs. Just like RL Ageplay that existed long before SL, its now people who look like adults, just pretending, not actually turning into a kid.

I'm not sure how rape falls in there. Why would they ban that? They only ban things that are illegal in RL to some degree. Gambling was gone because to gamble in SL is to gamble in RL. Its not just simulating RL gambling, it actually is RL gambling. Ageplay with a child AV is not just simulating child porn, it actually is child porn (in many countries). Roleplaying out a rape scene by consenting adults is... well just simulating something, it isn't actually illegal (in any country that matters). People keep thinking that gambling and Ageplay was "banned" because of its moral issues, when they weren't at all, only on their RL law implications.
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03-02-2008 13:04
From: Missy Malaprop
In other news...
and millions of people who play games, acting out extreme violence and killing tons of people and blowing things up.. have taken to the streets lately and have killed off billions of others in the world... it wasn't their fault though, it was those video games that showed them how to do it, and that it was ok because no one said it was bad.



ya'll do know that in majority of cases, almost all cases, that people fantasize about things they never do, and never will do.... yes?


And Linden Labs never backtracked about anything with regards to Ageplay people like to bring up. They stopped allowing it to be advertised, and they said to not make graphical representations of children in sexual ways, because in some countries that considered child porn. Ya know what, sexual ageplay still happens, and luckily after they clarified this, it happens more realistically now and not disgustingly with children AVs. Just like RL Ageplay that existed long before SL, its now people who look like adults, just pretending, not actually turning into a kid.

I'm not sure how rape falls in there. Why would they ban that? They only ban things that are illegal in RL to some degree. Gambling was gone because to gamble in SL is to gamble in RL. Its not just simulating RL gambling, it actually is RL gambling. Ageplay with a child AV is not just simulating child porn, it actually is child porn (in many countries). Roleplaying out a rape scene by consenting adults is... well just simulating something, it isn't actually illegal (in any country that matters). People keep thinking that gambling and Ageplay was "banned" because of its moral issues, when they weren't at all, only on their RL law implications.


eh?
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03-03-2008 18:47
From: Caroline Ra
eh?


and that is exactly why people continue to fight over these type of topics....
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