Violence against women in SL

Want to be depressed? Type the word “rape” into a places search and see what comes up. There are currently 63 places that use rape as a key word. Try “friendship”; 29 responses. Something of an indictment of the general human condition or does it say something about the sl community? I have had heated conversations with the owners of male and female avi’s on this subject and get told that I don’t understand RP and today that I was taking rape out context - I would have smiled it if wasn’t such an outrageous comment. Oh yeah, and anyway, lots of woman have a rape fantasy and SL gives them a chance to RP it. Never the mind the RL inadequate who gets his ideas about violence against women validated. I don’t care if it is consensual; in fact that makes the action of the “victim” a lot worse. It isn’t just those Gor wierdos btw. Incidentally, I don’t have an answer to this; I just wanted to have a rant.

Thank you for being able to stand up and tell everyone what they should want. With out an upstanding person like you, we might fall into the trap of liking things bad for us, like Chocolate, or Flying without aircraft.

I am far more offended by the males of this world that think they can walk up with the d*cks sticking out of their pants and as a greeting say "Wanna F*ck?" than I am about places that provide the ability for someone to live out their fantasies.

Do I condone Rape? No
Do I have a Rape fantasy? Hell No, thats in my nightmare category.

Why exactly did you type the word 'rape' into the search engine?

Well, that's ironic I suppose. And obviously he's not saying "Hey, chocolate sucks, don't eat it".

This is an aproppiate definition of rape:
"any act of sexual intercourse that is forced upon a person."

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If a girl wants to get raped... then it's not a rape . I don't see how a real rape could be taken in SL. But Zoo's point is totally different: he talks about SL as a mirror of RL society and that is where he is right about it.

Your freedom ends when other one's freedom start. So if you are forcing a person to do something that she/he doesn't want, then obviously you are taking her/his freedom.

Therefore Kokoro you can't say to that person what you said in this forum! .

Raping is a misogynous action, and Gor is a misogynous way of life. I'm spreading a notecard (not in spam ways) against GOR in SL it has extracts from RL books. One person sent me an IM telling that he/she is into BSDM and Leather, but GOR differs on all those kind of sexual practices because GOR is misogynous.

So if you do a search and get more results in "raping" than in "friendship" that shows clearly that society is sick, and that is sad.

Agree, I mean, I suppose my avvy doesn't help matters being somewhat on the chesty side, but I made it myself, I like it and I like the features and work I've put into it. I find it annoying then that if I go to club or something to listen to music and chat that I get people coming over who want sex. But I'm not about to switch to an ugly, or male avatar just so I can go around unmolested, it just annoys hell out of me.

To see how many locations and objects you can Go and see and do On sl. Maybe that is why. Why else? For those that love to RP thopse types of activities! No thank you I stay with my boring everyday life.



What you expect from mostly under 18 years of age?

Well I've learned to expect the worst, but thats okay, I have a solution to them now that provides myself and friends many laughs

That is such a sexist statement. And misandrist to boot.

Men can, and have been, raped. Your own definition does not define gender.

Never would i have image the total nuts and crazys in the game at this time of the games life.. To many its just another form of day time drama on TV. learning to stay away from those that have no limits how many deal with it. As the game grew so did the underage and mental problems people as well. To LLABS to them its money only. Nomatter what the do to hurt others.

I....I don't know what to say here.
On the one hand I don't see why SL can't have a place where people who want to do "consentual rape."
Yet on the other hand there are the people who are offended by it.
But then, if we banned everything that made someone offended there wouldn't be much left IN second life. We'd all be boring grey default human shaped avatars in a grey world, all have the same names (based on the date we joined in the year, and last name based on the year, there'd be no choice in this it's just handed to us at birth). We'd all do the same grey activities in a grey world and get yelled at over a loudspeaker if we did anything else.

And then there'd be this one old dude no one's heard of before who has the memories of all the Cool Stuff...

I find it bizarre and offensive that the word casino is unsearchable yet advertising the word rape is perfectly acceptable.

Some stats I gathered recently from Places Search.

heroin - 3
stalker - 3
missle - 5
murder - 9
cocaine - 10
nuke - 14
marijuana - 16
rape - 66
drugs - 85
kids - 225 (so many kids references in a market aimed at adults? I know I know, it's only roleplay/innerchild/therapy)
escort – 688

"All the cool stuff"? What was the subject of this thread again? That's part of "all the cool stuff"? /me sighs resignedly. Enough said I think. Except to say I never mentioned banning anything.

No, I have never quite understood why any criticism of a practice is meant to indicate that the person concerned must therefore be all out for banning the practice. There are quite a few things within SL of which I would say "you should stop that" and avoid the people concerned but would not support an official ban. (On the other hand, there are also things of which I would say "you should stop that" and _would_ support an official ban - ad griefing, for one.)

It is the location that gives the indication of wanting a ban - if it had been in RA, then it is a rant. Being in Town Hall Feedback, that is an attempt to bring offical notice to it.

As you stated - there are items that I avoid, but would not support a ban for, i.e. any activity that you have the ability to opt out of (any of the various fantasties), but I would support any actitivity that you can not opt out of (your reference to ad griefing, griefing in general).


He stated his view, I stated mine. I never said he could not have his view, just that I disagreed with it. Therefor, it is well with in my freedom, and not interfering or forcing his freedom. As I said to Ordinal, my primary point is that by posting his rant in Town Hall Feedback, it gives the appearance that he is requesting offical banning of an activity that by the defination of SL is consensual. Even though I loath it, and will leave an area that has that, it is not my place to prevent those who wish on BOTH sides to partake to stop.

I think this is very different though, since in this case the name has no relation to the actual act, its sole purpose is to play on the taboo factor.

Other than the word, rape and a "rape fantasy" have nothing in common. One is forced, without a choice, non-consenting and the other is willing, by conscious choice and consenting.

No matter how you turn it, it's nothing more than "kinky rough consentual sex". A "ban" would remove the label, but still allow the roleplay act itself since it has little to do with actual rape.

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Which is different from a ban that would be similar to the ageplay ban where acts of simulated rape would be banned.

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Anything to do with promoting or otherwise condoning actual true rape is likely (hopefully) already covered by the general TOS clause against "violent, offensive or harmful material" (paraphrased from memory).

I don't search for that word so it's not a problem, I don't search for friendship either

Kill is in there 38 times too
And Murder 15 times, both acts are way more harmful than rape.
Perhaps we should do something about them first.

Why would people search for 'friendship'? Friendship shouldn't need to be searched in a search engine at all. No point in putting the keyword there. And if people need to search for a rape, then it's no longer really a rape. If someone walk up to you and start harassing, then you can ask for a ban on that one. But if someone walk into a place stating keyword of rape, then it's completely their own right to do so.

Don't like Gor and rape fantasy? Don't go into their sims. I see no point in requesting public ban (however indirect, like putting the stuffs into this forum), on activity you can easily evade just by not looking for it.

You can say not having rape will make people more happy can`t you? I sure hope you do.

We can't say there's real rape in here either. Is it ok if they call it Virtually Forced, Virforced or Virrape or something instead?

I was making a rather blatent reference to The Giver.

Repeat after me: "there, is, no, rape, in second life."
There isn't simply because everything one does in SL is consensual.

One can always teleport out, jump the hell off the poseball and detach any constraining prims. Nobody can force you into anything you don't consent to so there simply can-not be any rape, in other words: get your facts straight.

Secondly; the usage of the word itself in the world where such activity is impossible can only be used as (as previously mentioned in this thread) a taboo factor and as such it's only purpose is to help people live out their fantasies through consensual role-playing in a safe environment.
How is that bad?

Lastly; a map is not the territory.
The word itself is harmless, and the implied harmful connotation is utterly
impossible in SL so show a tad bit of intelligence by letting it go.

Thank you.

p.s. i realize that i've just repeated the same point from three semi-different perspectives but it was done with the intent of fully explaining it and hope that the OP and people with similar opinions will 'get it' and concentrate on whining `bout something else.

Spoken like a man...........

Awesome generalization there dear Sir/Madam!
fyi i don't do "sl rape" roleplay,
then again i know many women who enjoy it immensely.

Yet you chose to dig up this thread after a month with an only tangentially related comment (given that the original post was not about "rape in SL", but the portrayal of rape in SL, the frequency of such, and what that might say).