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v1.18.5.73655_WINDLIGHT!!!
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KillerMonkey Spire
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11-14-2007 15:12
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-14-2007 15:24
And it has the new search in it too - double the testing fun!
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Angus Jaxxon
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good work
11-14-2007 15:34
Good work guys,
it looks very nice, also nice of you to sneak in the landmark doubleclick change. that one was way overdue  keep it up. |
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-14-2007 15:40
Release notes:
PLEASE NOTE: * Everything you do with the First Look viewer affects your Second Life account! ** First Look Viewers are test versions of the Second Life viewer ** These test viewers connect to the live grid * These viewers allow you to test new features in your everyday Second Life ** Please be aware that things might be buggier than normal The re-release of atmospheric rendering for beautiful skies and immersive environments! Main Features: * Physically accurate atmospheric rendering and lighting * Animateable day cycles * Vastly improved realistic water with reflections and glimmer * "Glow" as new object attribute * Avatar Impostoring, which can speed up crowded scenes tremendously * A new cleaned-up, easy to use Graphics Preferences tab with simple and advanced options for performance/quality settings Misc. Rendering optimizations: * Faster, more reliable occlusion culling - occluded regions are discovered instantaneously, eliminating random bad frames due to the camera moving too quickly * No geometry transform overhead on region crossing - results in region crossings being slightly smoother * Faster frustum culling - less time is spent determining what's visible, thus giving better overall framerates * No copy-to-texture for ripple water - objects under water are rendered to texture at half resolution, resulting in better overall framerates * Faster sky updates - the non-WindLight (aka no-shader) skies update quicker - even faster than the pre-WindLight skies! * Single pass shiny - making an object shiny will no longer require it to be rendered twice, which results in virtually free shiny functionality from a performance standpoint * Single pass terrain - the terrain is no longer drawn in two passes, which, from a performance standpoint, results in virtually free high detail terrain for shader friendly cards (See the System Recommendations at http://secondlife.com/corporate/sysreqs.php) * Improved object update code (less work for the CPU) - attachments are no longer added to the active list, which improves performance in crowded areas * Better scheduling of Avatar LOD (Level of Detail) updates - Avatar LOD is now calculated every 16 frames as opposed to every single frame, which removes redundant work * Better Avatar culling through more accurate bounding boxes - Avatar bounding boxes now match their current animation, resulting in more optimized culling of avatars that are not visible in the frame * Better tree rendering (70% fewer matrix operations, no reliance on GL matrix stack) - results in improved performance for tree rendering * Trimmed unused state in LLDrawable, LLSpatialGroup, LLOctree, and LLFace - results in memory savings * 16-bit index buffers are now used instead of 32-bit buffers - improves memory bandwidth for rendering geometry * For more information, see: https://wiki.secondlife.com/wiki/WindLight Release Notes for Second Life 1.18.5(0) November 13, 2007 ===================================== New features: * New inworld search via the 'All' tab ** Includes improved search functionality on land parcels, profiles, groups, wiki documents, events, classifieds, and some individual objects ** Classifieds are returned both within and next to search results Bug fixes: * Fixed avatar turning in Appearance mode * Fixed Lag Meter metrics for non-USA residents * Fixed open source build issues * Fixed Korean text display on Mac OSX 10.5 r Face with up/down arrows * Fixed Auction ID and Land Description Overlap in the 'About Land' window * Disabled Add to Outfit and Replace Outfit options on the top-level Clothing folder * MISC-567: Multiple system folders (e.g., '100 Lost and Found Folders') in inventory * VWR-2471: SL-viewer chrashes after opening the 10th group-info-window * VWR-2444: Menu background colors aren't settable in colors_base.xml * VWR-2291: LOD defaults are now too aggressive in RC 1.18.3 * VWR-2283: Some changes to groups cannot be saved * VWR-2116: Viewer crashes when starting a new Group IM session under Japanese UI * VWR-2104: long avatar names overflow on the chat history window volume control/muting section * VWR-2065: Custom Snapshot setting do not save for next Snapshot * VWR-2041: Allow using voice component on another computer * VWR-1945: toolbox floater displays window elements incorrectly when minimized then moved. * VWR-1944: Active gestures sometimes fail to show in the Active Gestures list * VWR-1888: Characters missing in IM window * VWR-1724: HUD zoom snaps back after selecting another HUD object * VWR-1695: llGiveInventoryList objects spam the owner with messages when the recipient is in Busy mode * VWR-1590: Keyboard changes inventory selection after right-click * VWR-1562: llassert(mNumDescendantsSelected >= 0) with crash and loop. (Debug build) * VWR-1448: llSetText on non-root prims is unreliable (including after relogs) * VWR-1408: Online status viewable via Groups even if 'Make my online status visible only to my Friends' is set * VWR-1399: Client crashes when viewing details of an empty proposal window * VWR-1096: llPlaySound does not play whilst in HUD depending on HUD attachment point * VWR-1045: Client crashes with no warning when uploading corrupted TGA file * VWR-851: Viewer Crashes in high texture environments when moving or when panning with camera. * VWR-813: Recent Items tab shows folders with no matching items * VWR-738: SL crashes when loading with a GTK_IM scim module * VWR-379: Fix shell scripts to use bash and not sh when appropriate. * VWR-333: 'Unable to load gesture.' or 'Gesture is missing from database.' on login * VWR-315: Script changes in the editor may be cancelled because of lag * VWR-851: Viewer Crashes in high texture environments when moving or when panning with camera. * VWR-813: Recent Items tab shows folders with no matching items * VWR-738: SL crashes when loading with a GTK_IM scim module * VWR-379: Fix shell scripts to use bash and not sh when appropriate. * VWR-333: 'Unable to load gesture.' or 'Gesture is missing from database.' on login * VWR-315: Script changes in the editor may be cancelled because of lag _____________________
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Stephen Zenith
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11-14-2007 15:52
It sounds like it's what my new graphics card was made for...
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Stephen Zenith
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11-14-2007 16:14
Wow, I guess I was wrong... that's so broken it's just not true! The water looks good though...
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Brenham Beale
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11-14-2007 16:15
The Graphics tabs in Preferences have all been consolidated onto just one tab with Windlight features incorporated into it. Oh yea, did I forget to mention that Reflections are included as well (well, water reflections anyways, if you want dynamic reflections on objects, you still need to do that in debug settings)?
  They did away with user independent settings for tweaking the sky. My best guess is the old WindLight tweak UI will be given to estate owners. Mainland will remain uniform and look however LL sets it. First impressions so far, looks great, they got rid of the problem with WindLight causing things to look incredibly washed out when its noon time. |
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Gomez Bracken
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11-14-2007 16:21
They did away with user independent settings for tweaking the sky. My best guess is the old WindLight tweak UI will be given to estate owners. Mainland will remain uniform and look however LL sets it. No, they are still there, under World > Environmental Settings > Environmental Editor So far - very impressed. The original windlook I tried was far too slow - this looks great. Gomez _____________________
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Brenham Beale
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11-14-2007 16:26
Ahh, ok, I see it now. I'll put up some WindLight screenshots, once I find a good spot and tweak some settings.
Edit: Hmm, looks like turning on Dynamic Reflections in Debug Settings doesn't work like it used to. Any object with shininess on looks quite fubared when you turn it on and doesn't reflect anything.  I'm not getting the same dark spots you are, Stephen. You have the latest graphics drivers installed, right? |
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Stephen Zenith
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11-14-2007 16:27
Mmm, purdy
 I get the dark marks, to some degree, whenever I move. The holes in the landscape are caused by the occlusion detection correctly determining that the terrain would be hidden by a structure, however the structure that would be there is beyond the draw distance.  _____________________
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Gusher Castaignede
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11-14-2007 17:02
Does this mean,
If I have a high end graphics card with 512mb video memory I can dump the old SL viewer for this new "WindLight" viewer? Will I still be able to build things with this new viewer? |
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Stephen Zenith
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11-14-2007 17:06
Does this mean, If I have a high end graphics card with 512mb video memory I can dump the old SL viewer for this new "WindLight" viewer? Will I still be able to build things with this new viewer? It's the same viewer, except how it draws things is a bit different, and some of the settings have changed. Everything else is exactly the same (build dialogs, chat, friends, etc) _____________________
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Gusher Castaignede
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11-14-2007 17:14
It's the same viewer, except how it draws things is a bit different, and some of the settings have changed. Everything else is exactly the same (build dialogs, chat, friends, etc) Fantastic!! I will start downloading now....... |
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Chip Midnight
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11-14-2007 17:18
The new water effects on ultra settings are amazing! I'm surprised I was able to run with graphics set to ultra but performance is quite good. Avatars and prims are lit much better than in the first windlight viewer. It still seems a bit overly contrasty but not nearly like it was. The new glow effect is very nice. All in all a huge improvement from the first test.
The only problem I noticed was that after flying around with my camera a bit, some roof prims vanished (not sure they were there to begin with actually). I asked someone using the regular viewer to check and see if they were there or if it was just me. It was just me. But that water! drool  _____________________
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Brenham Beale
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11-14-2007 17:48
I'm getting higher framerates when in Fullscreen mode, which is a first. On top of that, going into Wireframe mode doesn't drop my framerates into single digits. In some situations, I actually get better framerates in that mode.
I don't know what they did but I'm getting better framerates with the First Look viewer than the current release candidate (I made sure the graphics were the same, which was basically the High quality setting). I get the feeling LL may very well be able to bring out both Havok4 and WindLight at the same time in the next major version release. Looks very promising. |
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Lecina Enigma
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11-14-2007 18:00
Awesome from what i saw, but the Viewer is crashing all some Minutes
 .Well it`s still the "first" release after month of waiting...and there`s much done in that break. I'm just impressed, and my chin is still somwhere on the Floor hehe. _____________________
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Brenham Beale
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11-14-2007 18:14
Found one of the first glitches:
 Some objects and avatars are showing up as a pixelated reflection... eventhough they're not in the water and it isn't a relfection, but hte object itself. EDIT: It's not a glitch, but a performance enhancement feature, my bad. |
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Braya White
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11-14-2007 18:19
Brenham Beale, the pixelated avatar is a cause of Avatar Impersonators. You need to go into your graphics preferences and set Avatar Detail higher. If it's already all the way up and people are still pixelated when that close to you, it certainly is a bug.
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Dnali Anabuki
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11-14-2007 18:27
I love it! It is overwhelmingly beautiful and more stable for me than the main viewer!!
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Nyoko Salome
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11-14-2007 18:35
whew!! okay, and i didn't even get to try out the new RC yet... so it looks like the 'windlight rc' comes after the 'declared rc' from earlier today... (no prob lindens, but want to be sure! any probably conflicts between the two??)
p.s. OOO OOO OOOOOOO!!! okay, i'll say this - don't attempt much more than whatever 'recommended settings' it comes up with (i'm on an older i/emac, 64meg ATI card, so i'm bucking rather low)... but omg, something already very luscious about nighttime here.) something to note, when i was trying to right-click up my own piemenu with my floating nametag, i was clicking thru... i'll try to register that on jira. but ooo wow - it'll take a little adjusting but this already looks a -lot- better than i previously anticipated.) (as i say i'm on a low-end machine, so the previous previews looked a lil' - 'gamey' shall i say... this to me actually looks like the gooey sweetness everyone's been raving about.  ) and gee i didn't even need to upgrade... all the sweeter!!p.s. strange occassional texture flashing (one by one across my build), but only while the client was in the background of my email, so i dunno - probably to be expected. p.p.s some graphics echos upon rotating... reporting... but omg, so far really neato gorgeous. i'm sure the fine details will get worked out. p.p.p. s.... LOL. omg... have you ever played led zeppelin's 'in the light' at the break of dawn?? ) (if you have... you know what i mean!!!omg... you can actually pull it off with windlight. ) WOW!! )_____________________
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Brenham Beale
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11-14-2007 18:55
...pixelated avatar is a cause of Avatar Impersonators. You need to go into your graphics preferences and set Avatar Detail higher.... Doing that did work, although I find it odd that Avatars that are closer get impersonated while others much farther away don't get impersonated. These Avatar Impersonators remind me of old school 16-bit RPGs though. Cue the Final Fantasy battle theme! It's Garn as RedXII!  |
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Alyx Sands
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11-14-2007 18:56
I tried it and it gives my a very bad framerate...but it looks beautiful, and it hasn't crashed yet. I already took some pics.
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Kitty Barnett
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11-14-2007 19:48
something to note, when i was trying to right-click up my own piemenu with my floating nametag, i was clicking thru... i'll try to register that on jira. If you go back to the regular viewer and check "Avatar Vertex Program" you should have the same problem (along with possibly very corrupted/twisted avie shapes). |
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Gusher Castaignede
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11-14-2007 19:49
I am back now, am impressed.....here's my results with an ATI x1600 Pro
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Chip Midnight
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11-14-2007 22:08
I have pretty serious issues with objects and other things disappearing and not coming back (like half of buildings, sim water, etc). I think it's related to culling. Even teleporting to a different location in the same area doesn't bring them back. Only a relog will do it. Bummer. I'm loving the new release of this, but it's definitely not ready for primetime yet.
One thing I noticed on textures that are washing out in afternoon sun. Tinting them from white (255) to gray (about 200) makes them look about like they do without Windlight. _____________________
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