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Account History Dialog Gone!

Amethyst Rosencrans
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02-21-2007 14:33
In the latest version the very useful account history dialog is gone. I could look and see how much I made that day and in the past week. I could see when someone gifted me money with $L transaction notifications off. And you have taken it away replacing it with a redirect to a hugely less useful transaction history web page that has none of that information on it!

I assume this is due to thinking that this is a strain on the database or something... but cripes what is next?

Are you going to take out IMs or textures because they strain the database too much?

What is wrong with you Lindens???

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02-21-2007 19:41
Avatars, prims, and terrain should be the first things to go.

This would leave sufficient bandwidth and processing power for text chat.

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02-22-2007 18:54
i also relied alot on that information v.v; bring back please! at least give me all that same info on the website you send me to as a replacement!
Govindira Galatea
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Bring back the standard Account History
02-23-2007 00:54
Huh?

1) Going outworld for anything is a pain, so getting transaction information by going outworld is a significant PITA.
2) the website information, to which this hopelessly bad idea takes us, is out of date. Out Of Date. OUT OF DATE!!!! The in-world standard information in the main viewer is always up to date, current.
3) this is our cash register record. If it is inaccurate, not current, and difficult to use, what good is it?

Huh?
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02-23-2007 07:38
ditto what everyone else says here, add me to the list of people who want their account history dialog back. The website is not reliable enough, sometimes this is the only way we have to see if someone actually paid for something.
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Argent Stonecutter
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02-23-2007 13:28
Yep, I paid rent this morning and it's still not reflecting that.
Psyra Extraordinaire
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02-23-2007 18:55
Here's a reflect of my post to the blog about it....

"The Account History now brings me to the http page in my browser. Now despite having 36 transactions made today (sold stuff) above L$0 according to my balance and according to that page…. when it took me to the web version of the transaction report I realized that less than 1/3 of my transactions (exclusing L$0 ones) were listed.

Someone bought a bird from my vendor, and didn’t recieve it. So I went to check the account history to verify that I’d gotten a payment from the person. Lo and behold, there was no payment listed at all on the secure webpage. So I log into the OLD viewer and check my account history on it, and… well, there it is. I send him a replacement to cover his loss. No worries there.

But still, if I could not have gone back to the old viewer for that, I’d have assumed he was trying to scam me, as there was no record on the webpage that he’d paid my vendor.

So the question is: The information on the webpage version of L$ transaction history appears to be very much incorrect. Is this going to make it into the release? I sure hope not…"
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Livinda Goodliffe
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02-24-2007 05:07
I concur with all of the above.
Argent Stonecutter
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02-24-2007 09:56
If they bring this in without making the webpage *absolutely* up to the second up to date, there will be a general revolt from people selling stuff. And since that's where so much of their actual revenue comes from, one way or another, they gotta pay attention.
Wilhelm Neumann
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02-24-2007 19:00
even if the webpage is uptodate its very hard to deal with an issue when you have your head in a browser trying to find something and the customer in front of you

either way the removal of ingame account history was not a good idea other stuff could go before that much easier they have been adding bells and whistles for months now that very few people use or even want or like for instance that strange snapshot thingy which makes it hard for you to take a snapshot when you are in mouselook more then once i hate that thing dump those "features" that are clunky and dont work well before taking something out that the community in general relies upon

if this was intentional i'm going to be using an outdated client for a very very long time as it stands now the first look i am using is two updates old because i need that information to know what the heck is going on

Anyhow if this was done on purpose this may be the straw the breaks the camels back for me its a very bad idea to remove a useful and highly used feature from a game that boasts its ability to be able to run a business in SL its illogical and makes no sense at all from any direction

totally frustrated with this at this moment :(
Usagi Musashi
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02-24-2007 19:41
They remove history of account?
Wilhelm Neumann
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02-24-2007 22:57
From: Usagi Musashi
They remove history of account?


they've removed all of the ingame interface so you have to now go to the secondlife website to look up your stuff which for me means i can't run sl in full mode and always in windows mode or shut the game down in order to see my information
Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2007 02:47
From: Wilhelm Neumann
they've removed all of the ingame interface so you have to now go to the secondlife website to look up your stuff which for me means i can't run sl in full mode and always in windows mode or shut the game down in order to see my information


Thats what I was scaried to hear :confused: ...........If they are doin gthis then HEY just take off all the Billing informaion and call it even! NO LOGIC IN THIS REMOVEL OF ACCOUNT HISTORY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:
THE Website is even is out of oder and they expect use to take this poop!!!!!!!!!
Nargus Asturias
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02-25-2007 05:53
Absolutely agreed to all above. And when does an LL will response to this?!!
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Usagi Musashi
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02-25-2007 06:04
Let you ask you this.How in the hell are money ball or paying owners types of (giving monies) suppose to Now know much and when and to whom they gave it too if you taking their history of account infor and that messed up website transaction page are neither working or removed? Thisis a total joke! And your saying REAL companies are coming in to sl? I don`t see what a smart company would be doing here if half of the operations either FAIL or don`t work. I don`t even want to get started with the Some of the hired Linden staff Jokes of the year............. We need change and need it fast!
Kornscope Komachi
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Definatley bumped.
02-26-2007 14:12
Put it back the way it was. There is now way to stay up to date.
Im still using FL 58100 to get around it, and other borks like Esc key, click on buy, menus, teleporting the list goes on.
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Wilhelm Neumann
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02-26-2007 16:50
From: Usagi Musashi
Let you ask you this.How in the hell are money ball or paying owners types of (giving monies) suppose to Now know much and when and to whom they gave it too if you taking their history of account infor and that messed up website transaction page are neither working or removed? Thisis a total joke! And your saying REAL companies are coming in to sl? I don`t see what a smart company would be doing here if half of the operations either FAIL or don`t work. I don`t even want to get started with the Some of the hired Linden staff Jokes of the year............. We need change and need it fast!


yes this is my issue sometimes things malfuntion the website doesn't reflect that well the only place that you could track it immediatelyl to see what was going on was ingame

eg" my money tree mysteriously reset itself once a week for about 3 weeks the firs two times the only way i found out without going bankrupt was due to monitoring transactions now ii check it and reset the settings regularly as the never seem to hold if something goes wrong you wont know until you see huge drops even then you have to wait several hours (when the site is working properly even) to track stuff the website even though its now repaired is NOT in real time the real time info was ingame and its gone :(

Since they have said nothing about this this is a silent nerf silent nerfs are not things they know that will be popular but that they want to do regardless of impact on the game for whatever reason

my problem is that everyone is boasting about this game being a "business" setting if so then the real time stats are a MUST I can only assume that either linden labs does not consider this game to have any real world applications or they simply don't care about those running a business in sl period in any event it sucks and kinda my last straw for staying quiet i'm upset now too and will say so :(
Usagi Musashi
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02-26-2007 17:08
From: Wilhelm Neumann
yes this is my issue sometimes things malfuntion the website doesn't reflect that well the only place that you could track it immediatelyl to see what was going on was ingame


Why are they doing this? because they are too cheap to add on more hardware.

From: Wilhelm Neumann
eg" my money tree mysteriously reset itself once a week for about 3 weeks the firs two times the only way i found out without going bankrupt was due to monitoring transactions now ii check it and reset the settings regularly as the never seem to hold if something goes wrong you wont know until you see huge drops even then you have to wait several hours (when the site is working properly even) to track stuff the website even though its now repaired is NOT in real time the real time info was ingame and its gone :(


Now this brights up a good point, nobody can run a business in their share time ( let alone a money tree(s) ( frankly i don`t like those things) if those fail safe controls of seeing how much we send and get are not working correctly.


From: Wilhelm Neumann
Since they have said nothing about this this is a silent nerf silent nerfs are not things they know that will be popular but that they want to do regardless of impact on the game for whatever reason:(


THEY JUST DON`T CARE

From: Wilhelm Neumann
my problem is that everyone is boasting about this game being a "business" setting if so then the real time stats are a MUST I can only assume that either linden labs does not consider this game to have any real world applications or they simply don't care about those running a business in sl period in any event it sucks and kinda my last straw for staying quiet i'm upset now too and will say so :(


You are correct! What makes me laugh is people saying ( FREE MONEY ) there is no such thing as free money (electric cost, high-end computer hardware keeps you in the money giving devices gives more stable for over night zombie sitting or dream dancing on dance pads bla bla bla!

REAL LIFE companys are not stupid, but only paid advertizing for this game. I understand LLabs is a business and they need to run it as that. Smart people that has made money here know how to run things, but otehrs soon findout that the sad facts that differ.

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02-26-2007 22:57
From: Usagi Musashi
You are correct! What makes me laugh is people saying ( FREE MONEY ) there is no such thing as free money (electric cost, high-end computer hardware keeps you in the money giving devices gives more stable for over night zombie sitting or dream dancing on dance pads bla bla bla!


My electric bill for a month is around $80.
I can easily run 4 SL clients on my machine.
At L$2 per 10 minutes that's L$288 a day
Exchange rate is under, but roughly L$288 to $1
4 * 1 * 30 = $120
Or about $40 more than my electric bill.
Internet is $30
Even THEN I'd be making $10 a month.

However, I use the internet for other things and would have it anyway.
My electricity is not all used up in running my desktop. I have a laptop, 5 lights (2 of which I use every day for significant periods of time), a fridge, microwave and other small appliances.

So, in theory if I had a room of inderminent size that had no lights (or ones that were off except for special occations) that had internet access large enough (cable should do--4 SL clients doing nothing uses up 0.08% of my available speed) and 1 computer....
In 3 months I could buy a second and run 8 clients (figure an el cheapo Dell--should do the job).
Another 3 and I could buy 2 more machines.
3 months after that I buy 4 more and start using the income to pay the rent (the appartment I am in could hold this number of machines if not more easily--cost: $575 a month). And all the other bills and end up with...say for the sake of argument, $120 left over.
In the next 9 months I increase the fleet to 16 machines.
I now have $1000 a month I can use to do whatever. 18 months and I'm "set for life" and all I need to do is make sure those 16 avatars stay in a camping chair somewhere.

The cash generated by camping chairs is not piddling Change Under the Couch Cussions.
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02-27-2007 00:10
From: Draco18s Majestic
The cash generated by camping chairs is not piddling Change Under the Couch Cussions.


Please :rolleyes: where is the common sence of people.....
Wilhelm Neumann
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02-27-2007 00:45
From: Usagi Musashi
Please :rolleyes: where is the common sence of people.....



one thing for sure i know who to blame now when the sims crash i have names and everything and numbers and uh

perfect example of why camping chairs need to be uh very very limited and gone

also it would be more exciting to watch paint dry ...
Usagi Musashi
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02-27-2007 01:23
From: Wilhelm Neumann
one thing for sure i know who to blame now when the sims crash i have names and everything and numbers and uh

perfect example of why camping chairs need to be uh very very limited and gone

also it would be more exciting to watch paint dry ...



Shakeshead............Its just going to get worse in the coming months not better. Unless LLAbs decides to build a larger and more stable server base system. Wasn`t that suppose to happen with those Intel Dual Core CPU Bases? Look at us now? No better off then AMD? Class 5 Server islands Don`t make me laugh! :rolleyes:
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02-27-2007 03:34
Please give up a bang up to date web based trans history!
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Kitty Barnett
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02-27-2007 04:34
From: Draco18s Majestic
I can easily run 4 SL clients on my machine.
At L$2 per 10 minutes that's L$288 a day
Exchange rate is under, but roughly L$288 to $1
4 * 1 * 30 = $120
Or about $40 more than my electric bill.
Internet is $30
Even THEN I'd be making $10 a month.
I'll pay your electric bill and your internet if you can manage to keep 4 clients logged in for a whole month camping 24/7 :rolleyes:.
Sami Tabla
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02-27-2007 05:20
I really don't feel that any Linden pays attention to this Forum, so won't be commenting here about the new approach to the Transaction History "removal".

Heck... even Steve Linden seems to have avoided the issue through 2 release of First Look and blog comments asking about it. I know... I've asked and seen no reply. :(

And... yesterday Robin finally posted about it being a "feature" coming to the next release of the main viewer. Of course she claimed the system can't handle the old way... but... I find it funny... the system is doing it rather "fine" inworld.

The reality is that it is a real pain to deal with the website while inworld for many people with less bandwidth and slower computers.

It's such a shame that LL's way of handling the increased numbers (and therorectical increased profit) has been to remove themselves from actually dealing with their user base.. first by killing the Forums and leaving a Blog with no way to comment to... say.. a post like Robin's yesterday. And second, what with the change in the way online status has been presented, it really allows every Linden to hide.

It's so sad...
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