Building rights for residents on adjoining Linden highways...
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Maelstrom Janus
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07-28-2009 05:32
Isn't it time responsible sl land owners were given some building rights alongside Linden highways...
I have a linden highway running through my land and would love to be able to put in a few decorative features suchs as lamp posts along our stretch....
I'd also be able to move my teleporter from one side of the highway to the other without it being blocked...
Couldn't Lindens grant building rights on highways to parties adjacent to them? I dont want to write to lindens each time I need to add some feature intended to enhance the terrain.
Likewise after struggling to fit a respectable looking pavement/sidewalk it would be nice to have some limited land lowering abilitiy to stop unsightly bits of land poking through.....
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07-28-2009 05:48
I've added a nicer shoulder to the section of Linden road in front of the Coonspiracy store in Noonkkot, without having to have build rights on the road itself.
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07-28-2009 06:19
From: Argent Stonecutter I've added a nicer shoulder to the section of Linden road in front of the Coonspiracy store in Noonkkot, without having to have build rights on the road itself. Unfortunately I have a very 'jagged edge' to contend with...if I set lamp posts theyhave to be so far from the roadside they dont look right ( heaven forbid someone would want things to look 'right' in sl)...someone from lindens did fit me a nice zebra crossing uk style unfortunately the beacons dont look right they're too far from the kerb...and if I reposition them where they need to be - poof!!!!!!
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07-28-2009 06:25
From: Maelstrom Janus Unfortunately I have a very 'jagged edge' to contend with...if I set lamp posts theyhave to be so far from the roadside they dont look right You're more than 30 meters from the road‽ o_O Seriously, go visit the south-west corner of Noonkkot and see what I'm talking about.
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Marcush Nemeth
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07-28-2009 06:30
The problem is not many "responsible citizens" seem to exist. On top of that: "one mans' pride is another mans' grief", a verb that's been very fitting to many mainland areas.
I think conferring with Linden Labs about making adjustments to protected land is the only way to go, and Linden Labs is, as they should be, very critical about any adjustments being made. On one side of the road someone might have a nice 1920's style parcel, while on the other side someone has, or might some day have, a cyberpunk styled parcel. Now what style should the lamp posts be? So adjustments made to protected roads should be rather minor I think, going not much further than adding a driveway, a sidewalk or a parkinglot or something like that.
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Maelstrom Janus
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07-28-2009 06:40
From: Marcush Nemeth The problem is not many "responsible citizens" seem to exist. On top of that: "one mans' pride is another mans' grief", a verb that's been very fitting to many mainland areas.
I think conferring with Linden Labs about making adjustments to protected land is the only way to go, and Linden Labs is, as they should be, very critical about any adjustments being made. On one side of the road someone might have a nice 1920's style parcel, while on the other side someone has, or might some day have, a cyberpunk styled parcel. Now what style should the lamp posts be? So adjustments made to protected roads should be rather minor I think, going not much further than adding a driveway, a sidewalk or a parkinglot or something like that. For most of the stretch Im interested in I own the land either side of the road  Id be more than willing to submit the intended number of prims (approximately ) the features I want to add take and what the chosen features would look like. Lindens would naturally have the say on any finalised additions. And agreed I dont want to make major adjustments....I just dont want to submit a ticket every time I want to add something and I sure Lindens wouldnt want that either.
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07-28-2009 06:43
From: Argent Stonecutter You're more than 30 meters from the road‽ o_O
Seriously, go visit the south-west corner of Noonkkot and see what I'm talking about. come have a look at my stretch in Zamyatin Argent, Id be glad of any suggestions and opinions..... Apologies for the 'humps' of ground sticking through the sidewalk I cant get rid of them 
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07-28-2009 07:20
I live beside a Linden highway - as yet unmade, just hummocky grass with ferns. Across the road from me is a mall that has a megaprim floor that overlaps the highway space, in the air, at about head height.
So, speaking as a resident who lives next to a Linden route, I don't think we should be given any special build rights except by consultation with the LDPW on a case-by-case basis. Yes, that would probably make it a slow process.
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VonGklugelstein Alter
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07-28-2009 08:14
You can build stuff that overlaps simply by anchoring it on your land. If you do it with tact and make it look like its supposed to be there, nobody will care and you can get away with it. If you plan on being a hack expect your overhanging stuff to be reported and removed.. fairly simple..
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07-28-2009 08:15
Have you tried linking your lamp post to a "root prim" that is as far from the lamp post as it can be and still be linked. Then, positioning your lamp post so that it's where you want it to be while maintaining the root prim's location on your own property? If you haven't tried that yet it may solve your problem. As long as the root prim is the last prim selected before you link them, the Grid will see that linked object as being on your property, even though part of it (the lamp post) is some distance from the root prim and, hopefully, where you want it to be next to the Linden's roadway. Be aware that the Linden could choose to return your lamp post(s) to you at any time. Although not likely unless someone specifically AR's them. From: Maelstrom Janus Unfortunately I have a very 'jagged edge' to contend with...if I set lamp posts theyhave to be so far from the roadside they dont look right ( heaven forbid someone would want things to look 'right' in sl)...someone from lindens did fit me a nice zebra crossing uk style unfortunately the beacons dont look right they're too far from the kerb...and if I reposition them where they need to be - poof!!!!!!
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07-28-2009 08:29
That's what I do (I was hoping he'd pop by and look at what I actually did).
If you do this:
1. Make any objects that extend into Linden land phantom. 2. Even if they're phantom, a wall across the roadbed will be returned, even if there's no road there.
Yes, I know this from experience.
Things like roadside signs, paths, and even overhanging phantom power lines seem to be OK. Filling a neglected roadbed with prim water isn't (that one wasn't mine, but I thought it was a cool idea).
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07-28-2009 08:53
From: Salazar Jack Have you tried linking your lamp post to a "root prim" that is as far from the lamp post as it can be and still be linked. Then, positioning your lamp post so that it's where you want it to be while maintaining the root prim's location on your own property? If you haven't tried that yet it may solve your problem. As long as the root prim is the last prim selected before you link them, the Grid will see that linked object as being on your property, even though part of it (the lamp post) is some distance from the root prim and, hopefully, where you want it to be next to the Linden's roadway.
Be aware that the Linden could choose to return your lamp post(s) to you at any time. Although not likely unless someone specifically AR's them. As far as I recall one prim of our house overlapped the linden land when we first rezzed it and even though link chunks, if not all of the house, started vanishing. I should point out we werent deliberately building on linden land merely trying to position our house to fit... I'll have to see if I can link some lamps to the pavement we fitted to see what happens.
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07-28-2009 08:56
From: Conifer Dada I live beside a Linden highway - as yet unmade, just hummocky grass with ferns. Across the road from me is a mall that has a megaprim floor that overlaps the highway space, in the air, at about head height.
So, speaking as a resident who lives next to a Linden route, I don't think we should be given any special build rights except by consultation with the LDPW on a case-by-case basis. Yes, that would probably make it a slow process. agreed conifer but my point is make that consultation a one off job rather than a ticket everytime....
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07-28-2009 08:58
You can actually get offshore islands and rocks based on that principle for setting on Linden ocean next to your own land. I haven't heard of any being deleted/returned.
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Eli Schlegal
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07-28-2009 09:01
From: Maelstrom Janus Unfortunately I have a very 'jagged edge' to contend with...if I set lamp posts theyhave to be so far from the roadside they dont look right ( heaven forbid someone would want things to look 'right' in sl)...someone from lindens did fit me a nice zebra crossing uk style unfortunately the beacons dont look right they're too far from the kerb...and if I reposition them where they need to be - poof!!!!!! I didn't read the whole thread so sorry if someone already suggested this... If the lamposts or whatever you are working with are modyfiable, why not add an invisible root prim that is 10 meters long (or longer with a mega, if needed) and then slide the lampost out onto the linden owned land but keep the center of the invisible root prim on your parcel?
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07-28-2009 09:02
From: Carbon Philter You can actually get offshore islands and rocks based on that principle for setting on Linden ocean next to your own land. I haven't heard of any being deleted/returned. If they're actually on linden water, not in the void, you bet they will get returned if they obstruct travel.
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Marianne McCann
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07-28-2009 09:43
From: Maelstrom Janus Isn't it time responsible sl land owners were given some building rights alongside Linden highways... That would be nice. Sadly, I've seen a lot less of the responsible types and a lot more of the not-so-much types in my travels. :-/
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07-28-2009 09:59
From: Marianne McCann That would be nice. Sadly, I've seen a lot less of the responsible types and a lot more of the not-so-much types in my travels. :-/ well of course it would be up to lindens to determine responsible users 
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07-28-2009 10:30
From: Maelstrom Janus well of course it would be up to lindens to determine responsible users  Like they determine what's a game of chance?
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07-28-2009 11:30
From: Argent Stonecutter Like they determine what's a game of chance? or who moves to zindra?
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Qie Niangao
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07-28-2009 14:04
From: Maelstrom Janus I'd also be able to move my teleporter from one side of the highway to the other without it being blocked... I suppose the problem is that the Linden highway is no-object-entry. That's not necessarily a bad thing. From http://slapt.me/wiki/index.php/Zindra_Alliance_-_Blondin_Linden_Meeting_Transcript:_27-07-2009: From: Blondin Linden @ Zindra Alliance meeting [11:16] Blondin Linden: 3) Object Entry -
* [11:34] Cidri Katz: I have an issue on object entry permissions on Linden land in Zindra. Object Entry: All residents checkbox is not checked. This means that free-floating pets cannot enter roads and linden land. This checkbox is filled on linden land in other parts of SL. This is particularly annoying on passing roads between land in different sims and on sea areas.
[11:16] Blondin Linden: the turned-off "Object Entry" is to cut down on griefing incidents; on a lot of mainland Regions it's turned on by default, and crap just flies off from one spam-generating script, and bounces into the next big, open parcel the "fragment" is allowed to enter.
[11:17] Blondin Linden: so the idea was to cut down o[n] greifing Although I've never felt the need to turn off object entry on any of my parcels, my parcels don't span the continent and neighbor hundreds of other residents.
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07-29-2009 14:02
I can cross the highway travelling in my TARDIS - I cant summon it from one side of my land when its on the other using the 'remote control though.... If any one can think of a humerous answer for 'why did the TARDIS cross the road.....?'
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07-29-2009 15:51
From: Maelstrom Janus I can cross the highway travelling in my TARDIS - I cant summon it from one side of my land when its on the other using the 'remote control though....
If any one can think of a humerous answer for 'why did the TARDIS cross the road.....?' It didn't cross the road; it was merely an unforseen rip in the space-time continuum, which, when repaired, clearly showed that the Tardis was still on the side of the road you thought it came from.
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07-29-2009 18:27
As someone alongside a linden road, I vote strongly NO to this idea.
I bought there because I wanted to be next to a protected space with a protected view.
You idea of good taste might be my idea of horrid taste, or vice versa. Buying next to protected land lets me have at least one side where I don't have to think about that.
If you can start edging things into the road on your side of it, you edge away my view...
Then I respond in kind, and in short order all we've done is add to the uggliness of the place and mutually defeat why we bought there...
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07-29-2009 18:38
From: Pussycat Catnap You idea of good taste might be my idea of horrid taste, or vice versa. Buying next to protected land lets me have at least one side where I don't have to think about that. Coonspiracy owns both sides of the road where I'm enhancing it.
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