I have a lovely 4096m waterfront parcel in a mature mainland sim on which I've been living since October. Generally I've blocked unsavory views with a few prims of tropical screening, but now I have new neighbors who have built a big dance club. While it might be perfectly fine to have them there, I'm prepared for the possibility that their customers will be wandering onto my place unbidden, and I'm installing security soon.
I decided to look around a little at other mainland parcels that might meet my needs and found a couple of adjacent 2048 parcels I really like--but they're in a PG sim. I actually *like* the idea that my potential neighbors in that sim couldn't open an orgy club, but I'm concerned that private sexual activities (behind closed doors and in IM) would also be in violation there.
I realize that people can still cam in even though the doors are locked and the blinds drawn, but I figure anyone who gets their jollies that way deserves what they see. I suppose it only becomes an issue if someone like that decides to AR me or my alt for what they see if they *choose* to invade my privacy that way.
I can certainly see that using the hot tub naked would be verboten, since it's out in the open; but would buying and moving to a PG sim render my MLP beds useless?
(Just for the record, I'm adamant about staying on the mainland, I'm not crazy about living in the sky, and I can't afford to buy my own island.)
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Roisin Hotaling
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02-21-2008 14:02
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:04
The isnt supposed to be any sex in a PG sim
even behind closed doors. Of course plenty of people do it. But you would be subject to potential ARs from nosy neighbors. |
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Bradley Bracken
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02-21-2008 14:05
You can have pose balls and be romantic or do all kinds of kinky and naughty stuff and whatever you want in a PG sim. As long as it's indoors.
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02-21-2008 14:09
Looks back and forth between Bradley and Colette...
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:10
You can have pose balls and be romantic or do all kinds of kinky and naughty stuff and whatever you want in a PG sim. As long as it's indoors. You'll be fine. Are you sure about that Bradley? Over the years its been made pretty clear to me you cant even have sex indoors in a PG sim. |
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Meade Paravane
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02-21-2008 14:12
Looks back and forth between Bradley and Colette... Wait...what? /me agrees, though I'm leaning more towards what Colette says. This might be a good question for the governance team office hour since I don't think I've heard an official answer to this. _____________________
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Isabeau Imako
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02-21-2008 14:12
Behind closed doors is fine. You just can't go around naked, swear in open chat, or have hubba-hubba pose balls out in the open.
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Ciaran Laval
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02-21-2008 14:14
As long as you have a pose ball that flip to a screen of a train running into a tunnel or a fireplace when you get jiggy it's fine in a PG sim.
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:17
Second Life Info > Knowledge Base > Land and the Linden Dollar (L$) Economy > What is the difference between PG and Mature land? Landowners can indicate their land to be either PG or Mature from the Region tab of the Region/Estate window, using the Maturity dropdown list. The PG and Mature ratings mirror those used by many countries' movie and television industries to denote the age-appropriateness of behavior, language and creations within a given area of Second Life. PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror. In Teen Second Life, "gambling" for Linden Dollars is also prohibited. Children and young people up to age 17 are automatically restricted to Teen Second Life, a special PG area that separates them from the adult population of Second Life for their own protection. Adults age 18 and over may seek an experience free of Mature content and so, we also offer PG areas within the adult regions of Second Life. Mature areas are limited to the adult-accessible areas of Second Life only, and do allow adult language and behavior. So how do I know where to draw the line? PG regions have frequently been described as an area where you're free to say and do things that you would feel comfortable doing in front of your grandmother, or a grade school class. In Mature regions, Residents can be free to engage in more adult activity and language, though of course, explicit adult content must be contained behind "closed doors". However, if you feel there's some ambiguity as to whether or not your activity or content is allowed in a PG region, it's likely best kept to a Mature region. from what the knowledge base says - it seems more CLOSED DOORS for mature, and Nein! for PG at all. Kind of interesting that might apply to Mari's situation with her Mature sim neighbors. |
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Bradley Bracken
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02-21-2008 14:17
If you read the Community Standards it's outrageously vague. All it says is non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. So we get the usual non answer from LL. I based my response on answers I've seen in the forums here before and the many homes in PG sims that have items in them.
Technically Collette may be right, but I'd say it's overlooked if it is. Meade has a great idea about getting an official answer from the governance team on this. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:19
If you read the Community Standards it's outrageously vague. All it says is non-Mature (PG), and behavior must conform to the local ratings. So we get the usual non answer from LL. I based my response on answers I've seen in the forums here before and the many homes in PG sims that have items in them. Technically Collette may be right, but I'd say it's overlooked if it is. Meade has a great idea about getting an official answer from the governance team on this. Yeah thats why I looked in the knowledge base - I remembered from the last time this was brought up the only remotely clear LL information was there. |
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Bradley Bracken
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02-21-2008 14:21
Yeah thats why I looked in the knowledge base - I remembered from the last time this was brought up the only remotely clear LL information was there. Yes, the knowledge base is much more clear. I'm afraid to think of what some people might do in front of their grandmother though.  _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:22
Basically reading that again -
If you are on PG land you have to abide by all the restrictions of Teen Second Life, with the exception that you could gamble (before it was banned) |
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:23
Yes, the knowledge base is much more clear. I'm afraid to think of what some people might do in front of their grandmother though. well yeah but this part left Grandma out hehe "PG Areas are designated to be free from sexually explicit language or behavior, swearing and other forms of aggressive language, violent behavior and/or imagery, including horror." |
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Isabeau Imako
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02-21-2008 14:25
Do barn doors need to be closed?
"In Mature regions, Residents can be free to engage in more adult activity and language, though of course, explicit adult content must be contained behind "closed doors" The fact that Mari can still hear I think would give her a reason to bring it up, (maybe not AR but...) |
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Roisin Hotaling
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02-21-2008 14:25
Yeah, I read the community standards *and* the FAQ entry about PG vs. mature, and 'outrageously vague' is a good way to describe it! My interpretation is closer to Colette's, but if it's universally overlooked I might be willing to risk it.
And it probably wouldn't have occurred to me to worry about it if not for Mari's thread about her neighbors. I like the idea of getting an official answer from the governance team. I think I'll have an alt ask, though; the slightly paranoid part of my personality would worry that they'd put me on a watch list just for asking. |
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02-21-2008 14:26
I coulda suggested some really good land to you last week...
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Meade Paravane
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02-21-2008 14:42
I like the idea of getting an official answer from the governance team. I think I'll have an alt ask, though; the slightly paranoid part of my personality would worry that they'd put me on a watch list just for asking. Don't worry about it - I've already sent them your name. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 14:44
You know you might be better of staying in youe current land and waiting out the club.
Clubs tend to have VERY short lifespans in SL. |
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02-21-2008 14:54
You know you might be better of staying in youe current land and waiting out the club. Clubs tend to have VERY short lifespans in SL. Especially badly built and highly specialist niche ones. _____________________
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Cristalle Karami
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02-21-2008 15:04
My understanding is that PG means PG, whether or not it is your private residence. If you want to have pixel sex, why aren't you in a mature region? Considering the vast amount of mature land that is out there, it shouldn't be an issue.
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Roisin Hotaling
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02-21-2008 16:03
My understanding is that PG means PG, whether or not it is your private residence. If you want to have pixel sex, why aren't you in a mature region? Considering the vast amount of mature land that is out there, it shouldn't be an issue. Cristalle, right now I *am* in a mature region. The issue is whether to buy the land I found which is PG but which I like better. And while there is a lot of mature land out there, not much of it fits my other criteria: beach, protected water, relatively flat, not too long and skinny, 4096 to 4608 sq m, within my price range, mainland....yeah, I'm picky. So for now I'll stay where I am, see how the club does, and keep my eyes peeled for other possibilities should the club be annoyingly successful. Meade, thanks. I realized after I posted that even if Lindens don't wander around the forums much, posing the question *here* would put me on a watch list too. But I'm not that paranoid. Really, I'm not. |
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Darkness Anubis
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02-21-2008 17:42
I asked a linden DIRECTLY a couple years ago for a clear definition. Shock of all Shocks he gave me one!
Basically PG, no sex, no nudity, no foul language, no extreme violence, and none of this public chat or IM EITHER. When I described a scenario of Sex in IM only or Poseballs hidden from public view the Linden to me that was the flat out definition of MATURE. That it should never be in public view regardless. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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02-21-2008 17:46
I asked a linden DIRECTLY a couple years ago for a clear definition. Shock of all Shocks he gave me one! Basically PG, no sex, no nudity, no foul language, no extreme violence, and none of this public chat or IM EITHER. When I described a scenario of Sex in IM only or Poseballs hidden from public view the Linden to me that was the flat out definition of MATURE. That it should never be in public view regardless. This is basically what the knowledge base says. It also means a lot of mature places are in violation. |
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Roisin Hotaling
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02-21-2008 18:01
I asked a linden DIRECTLY a couple years ago for a clear definition. Shock of all Shocks he gave me one! Basically PG, no sex, no nudity, no foul language, no extreme violence, and none of this public chat or IM EITHER. When I described a scenario of Sex in IM only or Poseballs hidden from public view the Linden to me that was the flat out definition of MATURE. That it should never be in public view regardless. Well, that takes care of *that.* So much for relocating to Yacumama. I can't help but think, though, that part of what you've reported here is a) unenforceable, especially as regards IMs, and b) an extremely stringent interpretation, given the prevalence of places I've seen with explicit poseballs placed in public view. |