Changing a modify outfit in a graphics program
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Brai Magic
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01-14-2009 10:27
From: Ann Launay Limitations of the platform. If you don't like it, take it up with Linden Lab, don't get cranky with the creators for trying to protect themselves.
And, in RL, you wouldn't be able to make an unlimited number of exact duplicates of the item in question with just a few clicks of a button. Since i already said im not re-selling.... What am i gonna do with unlimited copies of an SL item? I can only wear one at a time. The rest would be called backups and thats legitamate. Sorry if i sound cranky. I'm just hoping more designers see that the 'protection' they get is an illusion and that no-mod mainly hurts honest people. I don't really think this is a priority issue, just venting a bit at all the barriers honest people face while dishonest people walk right through them. 
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Ralektra Breda
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01-14-2009 10:28
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Ghosty Kips
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01-14-2009 10:32
From: Brai Magic I'm doing just that, but like most people, I learn fastest by examining working designs. Well, so do most of us. That's how I learned. There's TONS of modify stuff out there, literally. And the vast majority of it is free. Talk to me about the hundreds of free hairs I dismantled my first two months here.  But if I make something to sell, and set it as no modify, that's not to thwart you particularly. That's to protect my efforts to make a few linden. If you want something different, make it yourself or ask me or someone else to make it for you. For example, I sell ribbon streamers. Silly things, really, almost no effort to make but they're very popular and sell very well (don't ask me why, I couldn't possibly tell you). Do I want other people to modify them? Pft no, are you nuts? I want you to buy MINE!  Have I given them away for free? You bet I have, numerous times. I'm also an artist. My art comes to you as modify/transfer. You can do whatever your little heart desires with that image, but since it's no copy, if you do sell it, you'll buy every copy you want to sell from me first. That protects my intellectual property, and my right to make money from my art, just like the no mod on my streamers does. There is so much modify content out there, there is no reason to want everything you buy modify just so you can take it apart and change it to your liking. Learn to build your own. I'm doing it, everyone else who's wanted to is doing it. You're not restricted by no mod, except that you may have to make something yourself if the thing doesn't meet your personal specs.
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Ann Launay
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01-14-2009 10:36
From: Brai Magic Since i already said im not re-selling.... What am i gonna do with unlimited copies of an SL item? I can only wear one at a time. The rest would be called backups and thats legitamate.
General 'you,' not specific. The fact that dishonest people can steal if they want to doesn't mean it should be made any easier for them to do so. In any case, you made the comparison to RL and I was just pointing out that the capabilities aren't the same going the other way either.
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LittleMe Jewell
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01-14-2009 10:46
From: Oryx Tempel What "no-mod" trend? I haven't noticed it... then again, I never buy no-mod, so maybe I just subconsciously skip over that stuff, LOL. It's funny that I buy only modifiable clothes, now that I think about it, because I never actually get around to modifying it. Heh. *shrug* Over the past 6-12 months, the trend has been moving towards using modify scripts in prim hair and prim skirts, rather than setting them as modifiable -- and those stores have lost me as a customer.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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01-14-2009 12:11
From: Brai Magic No, I'm talking about textures as well. If I buy something and find out the designer was in a rush and there are flaws in the clothing texture, are you saying i shouldn't be able to fix the clothing I just bought? I take issue with calling this stealing. If you buy something from me and then you realize the quality isn't up to the standards that you expect for the price please IM me. I'll fix it if I can or give you your money back and have no hard feelings if you don't buy any more of my clothes. But I am selling what I am selling - the only thing I have to sell - my skill as an SL clothes designer. I have customers who do like the items they buy as is from me. I understand the appeal of design-your-own clothes kits but that just isn't what I am selling.
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Oryx Tempel
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01-14-2009 13:01
From: LittleMe Jewell Over the past 6-12 months, the trend has been moving towards using modify scripts in prim hair and prim skirts, rather than setting them as modifiable -- and those stores have lost me as a customer. Eww that suxxorz. Count me out on those as well. I'll keep an eye out for this stuff.
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Cristalle Karami
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01-14-2009 13:12
From: LittleMe Jewell Over the past 6-12 months, the trend has been moving towards using modify scripts in prim hair and prim skirts, rather than setting them as modifiable -- and those stores have lost me as a customer. I hate those as well. That doesn't stop someone who is going to rip off their designs, just stops me from tinting whatever it is to suit my needs.
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Lindal Kidd
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01-14-2009 13:42
From: Oryx Tempel Eww that suxxorz. Count me out on those as well. I'll keep an eye out for this stuff. The problem is, some of the best stuff has these damn scripts in them. Damselfly hair, for example.  By the way...did you see someone has come out with a Vibrating Mascara Wand? EVERYTHING is going electric these days!
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Cristalle Karami
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01-14-2009 14:06
From: Lindal Kidd The problem is, some of the best stuff has these damn scripts in them. Damselfly hair, for example.  By the way...did you see someone has come out with a Vibrating Mascara Wand? EVERYTHING is going electric these days! WTF. So it can jitter and stick you three times in the eye instead of once if you miss?
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Zim Gunsberg
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01-14-2009 14:12
From: LittleMe Jewell Over the past 6-12 months, the trend has been moving towards using modify scripts in prim hair and prim skirts, rather than setting them as modifiable -- and those stores have lost me as a customer. I've noticed this as well. While I have no problem with scripted resize on sculpty sneakers, boots, etc, to have it on prim collars, cuffs and clothing parts is really quite annoying - especially if your body shape is of a 'non-standard' size. I tend to avoid them when I can. Oh yeah, and to have it on hair would be especially bad. I don't think I'd continue to buy hair from a place that started adding this.
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Qie Niangao
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01-14-2009 14:29
RL couture is not bought off-the-rack. Same in SL. Mediocre stuff won't be able to be customized to the individual avatar, and when worn will look just that: mediocre.
No-mod and scripted-resize prim clothing and shoes can never be right for every avatar, no matter how talented the creator fancies themselves to be. At best, a resize script can work for "extra medium" shaped avatars. No-mod, not even that.
Non-prim, texture clothing should be mod perm, so it can be tinted to work as intended over a range of skin colors and accessories.
Anything less reveals that the designer just isn't that good. The clothes may look great on clones of the designer's own shape, but that's not even a useful skill, being of no value to anyone but the designer. They simply need to better understand the medium in which they're working, and the needs of customers.
But for non-prim, "texture" clothing, releasing the clothing texture itself would be exactly the same as making the garment full-perm and asking folks not to steal it, pretty please. That just won't work. If for no other reason, there's nowhere practical to attach that "pretty please" restriction, except using the permissions system as designed. The EULA alternative is just barely workable for a handful of the very largest sellers of animations and textures for use in value-added products.
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Ann Launay
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01-14-2009 14:33
From: Cristalle Karami WTF. So it can jitter and stick you three times in the eye instead of once if you miss? Makeup artists recommend wiggling the mascara wand back and forth a little as you apply in order to get the best coating from roots to tips. Apparently we're too lazy to manage that.
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Congratulations and shame on you! You are a bit of a slut.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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01-14-2009 16:56
From: Ann Launay Makeup artists recommend wiggling the mascara wand back and forth a little as you apply in order to get the best coating from roots to tips. Apparently we're too lazy to manage that. Lol electric mascara wand - I guess I've heard everything now. Btw I agree that prim clothes need to be modifiable and all of mine are.
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Nyoko Salome
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01-15-2009 11:33
:0 pardon if i ask (oh i will!! ;0) - instead of starting a whole new thread for myself - i wondered if anyone would like to tell me what they think of my bodyoil2s being no-mod (except for the oil 'shoes' included; those need mod for height). i did this for a handful of reasons, no single reason really being predominant, other than mainly it seemed most of my customers did not want to bother tinting my oils lighter (hence i released variable strengths of shiny over time, now even adding 'soft' bodyoil, lighter than 'light'). plus a number of prev. customers coming back and having the lengths of the oils 'mysteriously' changing, often claiming they never messed with the controls (there was that period for awhile where it seemed there were a lot of complaints of mysterious, spontaneous re-lengthening of clothing items). anyhow i haven't had a single comment yet expressing desire for bodyoil2 to be moddable... anyone who might have some find it at all irritating that it's that way?? (it is copiable, so dunno maybe that takes the edge off. ;0)
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