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Giz Ihnen
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12-22-2007 13:55
sigh.. can't get into SL, so I'll take my frustrations out here  First off, I don't condone 12-13-14 year old running around humping each other, but its all relative... there are some 12-13-14 year old more mature (physically & mentally) then some 20-somethings, and many 12-13-14 year old helping "raise" their younger siblings because both parents have to be out working in order to survive nowadays. Loretta Lynn married when she was 13 to a 21 year old.. had 4 children by the time she was 17 and a grandmother by the time she was 29. Omg, look how terrible she turned out and her children o.O Stayed married to the same man until the day he died... Up until maybe 30 years ago (?) it was quite normal to see 13-14-15 years olds dating older men. Mind you, I don't condone it mainly because I was raised in today's society. Todays society teaches us to baby our children until they're 18-21, whereas years ago, if you were in your early to mid 20's and not married and starting a family, people thought there was something wrong with you. And for what's it worth, I would guess the majority of people walking around have already had sex by the time they are 18. They might not have been considered "mature" enough to do it, but humans can't help it. We're wired that way. Puberty hits and the urge to poke each other starts. Not much really separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom except our clothes and credit cards.. Sorry if I offended anyone, just let off some "I can't log in" steam ... |
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Colette Meiji
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12-22-2007 17:02
From: Bellissa Dion Collette,
Going through the world saying your way is not our way and our way is the right way isn't a very good basis of judgment IMO.
And what it boils down to is this is my opinion, as it is yours. There is no possible way you can possibly look back and say anything like you are saying with any real knowledge but your own judgment. A judgment based in today.
For what it's worth, my girls are a little older than yours so I too have a basis of reference you see. I can also look at our history with objective eyes and see why things were the way they were, I may not like what I see but it is the understanding of it that I think is the difference here.
Anyway, since I can see signs of it becoming personal (which is a pity) I'll leave it at that.
~B Okay lets substitute early teenagers getting married with slavery. Do we still make a value judgment based on the "Society" in which the people were raised? Was slavery okay because the society had institutionalized it? If not, then why was child abuse? ---------------------------------- But because people have stories of people they know getting married at 13 or 14 turning out okay, then it was just a societal thing. Oddly enough I think you (and others) took exception and assumed a moral crusade that if you read my comments more carefully wasn't actually there. I just stated very matter-of-factly they sexually exploited teenagers in times past. I didn't for example make blanket accusations that those adults involved were all pedophiles. |
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Colette Meiji
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12-22-2007 17:10
From: Giz Ihnen sigh.. can't get into SL, so I'll take my frustrations out here First off, I don't condone 12-13-14 year old running around humping each other, but its all relative... there are some 12-13-14 year old more mature (physically & mentally) then some 20-somethings, and many 12-13-14 year old helping "raise" their younger siblings because both parents have to be out working in order to survive nowadays. Loretta Lynn married when she was 13 to a 21 year old.. had 4 children by the time she was 17 and a grandmother by the time she was 29. Omg, look how terrible she turned out and her children o.O Stayed married to the same man until the day he died... Up until maybe 30 years ago (?) it was quite normal to see 13-14-15 years olds dating older men. Mind you, I don't condone it mainly because I was raised in today's society. Todays society teaches us to baby our children until they're 18-21, whereas years ago, if you were in your early to mid 20's and not married and starting a family, people thought there was something wrong with you. And for what's it worth, I would guess the majority of people walking around have already had sex by the time they are 18. They might not have been considered "mature" enough to do it, but humans can't help it. We're wired that way. Puberty hits and the urge to poke each other starts. Not much really separates us from the rest of the animal kingdom except our clothes and credit cards.. Sorry if I offended anyone, just let off some "I can't log in" steam ... There is a difference between "this person turned out okay" and "this practice wasn't so bad" Plenty of people who were abused as children turn out successful, are we to infer from that child abuse is not wrong? ----------------- We can look at how people treated marriage age in the past and say those people were exploiting children, without further stating that they were all sick and evil. Europe and then then the US had a policy of exploitation and murder of the Indians. That is a fact. We don't go back and say everyone was immoral at that time because of that fact. Most of us don't say that it wasn't a bad thing because killing Indians is just what people did then, either. |
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Colette Meiji
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12-22-2007 17:19
From: Conan Godwin Boys also do not really reach full physical developement until about 25, when testosterone production peaks - up until this point, their physique is still developing (at a much slower rate than in their teens, I grant you) also. I also know plenty of girls whose bodies were still growing in their mid 20s, particularly secondary sexual characteristics (a polite way of saying boobs!). Are you suggesting then that 25 should be the age of consent?
Infact, female hormonal developement continues until the mid-30s. So perhaps 35 should be the age of consent.
The ability to procreate does not mark the end of the physical development of young people - but it does mark an important watershed moment. But as you said it is not the same as being done maturing into an adult, that was my point. My other point that a good age of consent will likely never be objectively determined because those who would do the determining are already biased to an age that their society already deems reasonable. I have no idea what the age of consent would be if it was objectively arrived at, no one does. The Age of consent in nearly every society is basically the age necessary for women to take their adult place in that society. This Age increases mainly with economic factors improving. Are we to assume because people can afford to have their children not reproducing that somehow those children matured slower? Seems silly to me. |
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Colette Meiji
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12-22-2007 17:23
From: Dekka Raymaker Seriously this statement is slightly misleading, please let me amend it:
"There are plenty of cases of women getting married at >ANY AGE< who were taken advantage of by their younger/older husband."
Age doesn't have anything to do with maturity or for that matter when you have sex. I personally never considered myself mature until well into my early 30's and god sometimes i worry about myself now nearly 20s years later. And to be really really honest I don't think I could have waited that long to have sex, in fact if I did I would probably have become a very very creepy kind of person.
In my opinion SL is banning the innocent to protect the right of the 'mature' guilty to stalk the streets of SL. However There does exist the fact that people below a certain age are considered less responsible for their actions than those considered adults. Those who were clearly adult being taken advantage of are a different category really. |
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Isablan Neva
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Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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12-22-2007 19:26
From Z list celebutards to ageplay in 6 pages.
Must be Friday.....
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