Second Inventory Software - Save Inventory to Hard Drive
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Infrared Wind
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02-19-2008 07:59
I just read about this software earlier today on this forum...irt open source offline sims. (which I think is coolio!)... This software claims to be able to save (securely with encryption) all inventory items (that you have permissions for) to your hard drive. The website has some English problems. I wrote and helped them with one glaring one. They were very responsive. Based, I believe, in Italy. So...I'm curious: is this the only software known that can do this? Save SL inventory to hard drive. Btw...the current price is 29 Euros. The screen caps are impressive! But the website has this fly-by-night template look to it... heh! Comments? Knowledge? http://secondinventory.com=)
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Alicia Sautereau
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02-19-2008 08:04
ad
copybot
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Infrared Wind
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02-19-2008 08:06
I think you might have the right call...but I put the wrong url... Should be: http://www.secondinventory.com/Ad...scam..seems probable.
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Alicia Sautereau
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02-19-2008 08:08
From: Infrared Wind Ad...scam..seems probable. no, your post, ad software, copybot
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Eyerocker Picket
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02-19-2008 08:10
My 2L worth is that if you have an inventory item with full perms why spend a big chunk of moola for something you can put into a box and place on your land or in your house? You can make 1000 copys of and place a box at all of your friends places too. This system also raises the question of permissions too and might possibly have its wings clipped in the future. This is not the answer IMHO to the inventory loss issue that has plagued the grid. Im saving my lindens.
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Infrared Wind
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02-19-2008 08:12
I live in Taiwan...and have nothing to do with the company...other than today when I went to the site I saw they had "width" for "with" in the pricing and wrote them. They responded, (Angelo Biondi <angelo@creatore.it>  , saying thank you...they're not native English speakers. Your assumption is incorrect about it being an ad by me. I would like to know if this is possible. Can the SL inventory be saved to hard drive? A curious one, - Infrared
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Kitty Barnett
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02-19-2008 08:14
From: someone You lost an important and complexed object (jewell for example) you can recreate all the primset even if you have a No mod/No Copy/No Trasfer example of that item (you need to be the creator). I hope they're clever, since after reading that I can think of at least one way in which it would be a plain "copybot" rather than a "backup" tool.
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Alicia Sautereau
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02-19-2008 08:16
From: Infrared Wind I live in Taiwan...and have nothing to do with the company...other than today when I went to the site I saw they had "width" for "with" in the pricing and wrote them. They responded, (Angelo Biondi <angelo@creatore.it>  , saying thank you...they're not native English speakers. Your assumption is incorrect about it being an ad by me. I would like to know if this is possible. Can the SL inventory be saved to hard drive? A curious one, - Infrared posting names/contact info is against the rules also, the item got delisted from SLX as it`s a copybot
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Infrared Wind
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02-19-2008 08:18
From: Alicia Sautereau posting names/contact info is against the rules
also, the item got delisted from SLX as it`s a copybot The name and email address are of a vendor of Second Life related software. Not someone's SL name. Read the TOS, dear. Cheers lol
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Infrared Wind
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02-19-2008 08:21
From: Alicia Sautereau posting names/contact info is against the rules
also, the item got delisted from SLX as it`s a copybot By the way, you are quite wrong about it being "delisted" on SL Exchange: http://slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=541881- Infrared
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Lindal Kidd
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02-19-2008 08:22
From: Infrared Wind ... Can the SL inventory be saved to hard drive? The short answer is, "No." The reason is protection of intellectual property. If your inventory resided on your system's drive, you could (in theory) break any encryption scheme and copy all of your no-copy, no-transfer items. Your inventory resides on LL's asset servers. The items in your inventory are pointers to that data. I'm very uncomfortable with the current setup...as numerous inventory loss problems have shown, your items are NOT safe on LL's servers. Some form of assured backup is definitely needed. But I see the problems with making that backup local.
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Alicia Sautereau
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02-19-2008 08:23
From: Infrared Wind The name and email address are of a vendor of Second Life related software. Not someone's SL name. Read the TOS, dear.
Cheers lol ah yea, reverse logic as why you can`t name SL names like thiefs, if allowed by your rules, i`ll refrase Angelo Biondi, creator and distributor of copybot and your advertising for copy bot sales with your elaborate information post and purchase URL
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Alicia Sautereau
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02-19-2008 08:24
From: Lindal Kidd The short answer is, "No."
The reason is protection of intellectual property. If your inventory resided on your system's drive, you could (in theory) break any encryption scheme and copy all of your no-copy, no-transfer items.
Your inventory resides on LL's asset servers. The items in your inventory are pointers to that data.
I'm very uncomfortable with the current setup...as numerous inventory loss problems have shown, your items are NOT safe on LL's servers. Some form of assured backup is definitely needed. But I see the problems with making that backup local. as in previous discussions of this software, it allowes you to "backup" no mod/no transfer items aswell
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Kitty Barnett
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02-19-2008 08:27
One sentence in a "review" made me blink: "The tool is not yet feature complete. It is missing the restore feature". So essentially it's a "back-up" tool with no restore option? What would be the point? 
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Infrared Wind
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02-19-2008 08:31
From: Kitty Barnett One sentence in a "review" made me blink: "The tool is not yet feature complete. It is missing the restore feature". So essentially it's a "back-up" tool with no restore option? What would be the point?  Funny, some people say the same thing to proponents of cryogenics. =)
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Kallisti Burns
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02-19-2008 08:35
From: Kitty Barnett So essentially it's a "back-up" tool with no restore option? What would be the point?  The point is to make the creator as much money from a single transaction as a lot of content cretors on SL can hope to make in a month...
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Sindy Tsure
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02-19-2008 08:46
From: Lindal Kidd I'm very uncomfortable with the current setup...as numerous inventory loss problems have shown, your items are NOT safe on LL's servers. Some form of assured backup is definitely needed. But I see the problems with making that backup local. I think they've gotten a lot better with this - aside from rezzing stuff in-world and having the sim crash soon afterwards, something that recently happened to me on my big Light Waves bird cage  , I think they've gotten a lot of the inventory loss problems sorted out or at least have gotten better at recovering things that do go missing. As for Second Inventory, I'm very, very, very reluctant to give my SL password to any 3rd party...
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Kallisti Burns
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02-19-2008 09:12
From: Sindy Tsure As for Second Inventory, I'm very, very, very reluctant to give my SL password to any 3rd party... WOW... OK that's instantly a phishing operation. Nobody has any reason or right to know your login details save you. I say it's an instant scam...
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Sindy Tsure
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02-19-2008 09:17
From: Kallisti Burns WOW... OK that's instantly a phishing operation. Nobody has any reason or right to know your login details save you.
I say it's an instant scam... Not always. The Nicholaz viewer is very popular - many people give it their password every day... The second inventory thing _needs_ your password to work. The question is if you trust it to play nice with your password. I have no reason to suspect that it's malicious but, by default, nobody gets my password but the Lindens.
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Vittorio Beerbaum
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02-19-2008 10:54
From: Sindy Tsure Not always. The Nicholaz viewer is very popular - many people give it their password every day... Someone is giving pws to nicholaz? Uh! That's new to me...  ...nicholaz is a client and the code is public, it doesn't reside on an external server and the password isn't sent anywhere than SL server (again: the code is public available) maybe you got confused with those third party web interfaces (like ajaxLife)? From: someone nobody gets my password but the Lindens. indeed.
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Sindy Tsure
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02-19-2008 11:02
From: Vittorio Beerbaum Someone is giving pws to nicholaz? Uh! That's new to me...  ...nicholaz is a client and the code is public, it doesn't reside on an external server and the password isn't sent anywhere than SL server (again: the code is public available) I've never used it.. Are you saying that most people compile it themselves? If not, you don't know that the sources match the binaries - you just download a program and type your user name and password in. What the program does from there is up to the program - it can play nice (which I believe it does - he seems to be a good guy, which is why I used his viewer as an example of something that people do trust) or it can also send the password off to some evil web service that will do bad things with it.
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Wildefire Walcott
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02-19-2008 11:38
The SecondInventory program is based on LibSL. All LibSL applications require a username and password because they actually log onto the grid under your account.
As to why you'd use this program when there's no restore feature, a lot of people are starting to export their creations to upload on the various 3rd-party grids that are popping up. It's just a convenient way to get that content out of your account, versus picking around all your stuff the regular way. If there's not an upload feature yet, there will be- even if someone else ends up writing the importer for these external grids.
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poopmaster Oh
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02-19-2008 15:20
a full version of copybot is included with LibSl, in the TestClient.
this is nothing new...
Second Inventory is a cool program but i wonder why they would release it when teh restore part is not yet finished.
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Kalderi Tomsen
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02-19-2008 16:15
And how do we know that this software isn't sending our usernames and passwords somewhere?
Either way it sounds like it is copying things that it just plain shouldn't.
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Vittorio Beerbaum
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02-19-2008 21:34
From: Sindy Tsure I've never used it.. Are you saying that most people compile it themselves? Nope but one user that will compile it himself will figure immediatly that the new executable won't match the one currently pre-compiled on the website. There are persons around here that does these things on pourpose just for the "glory" of discovering the new stupid "smart-guy" (thanks God they exists). So Nicholaz (the person) would be immediatly kicked in the deep hole of those other poor guys... after he contributed (for free) to develop something that is used by a very large amount of ppl (to not talk about the RL law...) and for free. Even if this is NOT technical possible (for the reasons i've exposed), does it sounds reasonable? On the other side, when a third party application is closed-source, it does operate between the legit-no-legit border, and it is developed for money... then the doubt (be scared of the eventuality) would more than legitimate.
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