what is this zindra thing

i read about it on this forum what is it?is it a sim on SL?or another thing ?do you have any url please?
sorry if you think im dum lol
thank you

https://blogs.secondlife.com/community/land/blog/2009/06/15/welcome-to-zindra

That is a good place to start.

Zindra is the implementation of the Adult Only new rules for SL. If you're involved in any adult oriented commercial business you should do the research on it ASAP! Otherwise, it's really not going to affect you. There are dozens of threads here about Adult Content. Check them out.

thank you,im not into that sort of thing.good to know what it is though.

Actually, it will affect everyone.

Zindra and any adult-rated private sims will require that you be either "Payment info on file" or "Aristotle Adult Verified" to go to those sims.

Adult-oriented businesses on the Mainland HAVE to relocate to Zindra, or to private sims that rate themselves as Adults Only, or go out of business.

"Marginally adult" businesses that sell sexy stuff may find that they also have to move to an Adult rated sim, or go out of business, because word filters on the new Search client make it difficult or impossible to advertise clearly what they sell.

Employees of Adult-oriented businesses will have to get either "Payment info on file" or "Aristotle Adult Verified" to continue being able to work for those businesses.

Customers for adult-oriented content will have to be either "Payment info on file" or "Aristotle Adult Verified" to go to Zindra or to any Adult rated sim. Which means over half the accounts in SL that use adult content can't get there. (Based on surveys of customers at adult businesses.) Yes, alts that have no payment info DO spend L$, because they get the money from their other accounts. And if you are buying no-transfer content, which a lot of Adult stuff is, the avatar that will be using it has to be the one that buys it.

Residents who are not either "Payment info on file" or "Aristotle Adult Verified" and who live in private sims that choose to rate as Adult will gave to either get verified or loose access to those sims. If your sim owner chooses "freedom to do anything" over "Evicting my adult tenants", a G-rated but unverified tenant can lose out.

Most malls are mixed use, selling adult content as well as G-rated stuff. Every one of those malls will have to choose to either A: Evict their Adult tenants, B: Move to an adult sim, and risk losing their non-adult tenants, C: Split their mall and move only the adult half, incurring higher overhead costs and risking going out of business, D: Closing the mall because they can't operate without a mixed use environment that EVERYONE can get to. So many G-rated merchants will also be evicted or displaced by this!

Land prices on the mainland will likely drop further, because "Mature" sims no longer means "you can do anything you want". Use of Mature Sims being restricted to prohibit Adult Businesses will lower the value of that land.

If you use any Adult items personally, and don't advertise them for public use in any way, technically you can still use that adult content on the mainland. But that won't stop people from abuse reporting you for adult content violations, because your "dungeon playroom" looks like a "Sex Club" when they cam in on you and your friends. Stay, and risk being AR'ed and banned, or move to an an Adult sim? Or quit?

Even if you, personally, live in SL as a completely celibate individual, and have nothing at all to do with Adult Content, how many of your friends and how many of the merchants you buy from are the same? A lot of people are going to leave SL if they can't run or get access to their adult businesses.

Good lord, people! There is more to SL than ball gags and torture devices! Reading these forums it seems like it's the end of SL if you can't buy a decent dildo at every street corner.

Perhaps, if we didn't have to dodge adverts for adult poses at every turn it wouldn't be so embarrassing to admit to having a Second Life.

The grid is crammed with bland, empty shops that I'm pretty sure aren't making any money. If half of them disappeared I can't imagine anyone but the owner would notice. And if this affects SL economy I am pretty sure LL will take notice and rethink their strategies.

Perhaps eventually we can get to the point when people realize that there are things in SL beyond buying yet another prim skirt or hopping from poseball to poseball and start realizing its potential for creativity, education and recreation.

I'm sure this post will get some people's panty in a twist but I am utterly dismayed about all those wonderfully designed, explorable and interesting sims disappearing because, in part, people are more interested in making a few pennies or spanking their collective monkeys, preferably both at once.

Grouping certain genres and moving them into designated areas seems rather sensible to me. Hopefully, it'll also mean that we've seen the last of the noobs looking for sechs as they can simply be redirected to the adult areas when they get pesky instead of letting them pathetically roaming the malls.

They are part of what makes the world tick though. The disparate parts make up the whole. This isn't just about adult content, perfectly PG content gets used day to day too but you take away part of that and the whole house breaks.



That's not going to go away. Although PG search should not be full of the content it is, LL could fix that a lot more easily than they are doing.



Those other things happen every day on a regular basis but anyone who thinks Education is going to pay the bills here needs to think again. Education hasn't got Second Life to the position it's in now, no matter how many times Second Life pimp it. I'm on an education mailing list, they do some good stuff but LL's profitability would nosedive without resident created business.



They already were in designated areas, this is a new designated area. This may or may not work but it is way too disruptive to have ever been a sensible policy. Allowing people to voluntarily move there would have been a sensible move, as would building a PG continent.

As it stands PG and Mature should be scrapped, the differences are negligible.

Right On!

I'm looking forward to it, and can't wait to see the changes and effects, in a positive direction.

There's a very interesting write-up on Helen Keller Day and virtual guide dogs on the community page. Looking forward to seeing more of this....and more individuals coming in to participate in events like this.

That write-up has 2 responses....the Zindra one has over 300, and the majority are complaints. Would love to see a shift in what is considered "valuable" content and "valuable" experience here.

Ceera, that's a great summary.

Brann, I agree that SL isn't all about teh sexxorz. But, now that gambling is gone, sex and its fringe supporting industries (like a lot of the fashion industry) are the mainstays of the SL economy. If those "few pennies" aren't rolling in here and there, a lot of the NON-adult content that is financially supported by the adult industry is going to vanish.

I was a little shocked to log on this morning and find that there were only 37,000 people on line. Weekends have been up around 65,000 and peaking at around 80,000+ on Sunday afternoons.

SL has really shot themselves in the foot this time.

Zindra is a bit like Plato's Republic. It's not a republic at all.

Not sure what time you logged in but there was a technical issue earlier and a lot of us got logged out.

Actually it was a breath of fresh air. I tell very few people about my involvement in SL because of the media hype trying to sell fast food ads by looking only at largely bogus scandal.

@Brann - hear, hear...someone had to say it

btw, love your new avatar pic.

i think a big part of the drop in login's are from taking away the use of bots and camping for traffic manipulation..
they are not gone but they just can't be used to manipulate traffic for athe search anymore..

as far as wandering newbs and griefers and things like that..well a lot of that will be outside of zindra mainlands..if new people want to wander zindra they are going to need to have some sort of payment info..if grifers want to grief in zindra it won't be from alts...

content creation will be limited in the rest of sl mainlands where zindra lands will have the biggest range of creativity as far as mainlands go anyways..

it's gonna be interesting times

I'm looking forward to showing my Mom what I do here. It's really hard to explain to someone who doesn't use a computer. I think she would be amazed. Not just showing her the store....but taking her on a full tour.

So far....I've not been comfortable enough doing that. I hope that changes. I doubt that I would encourage her opening up an account...lol....but think of all the people you could encourage, if it changed.

I know a lot of artists that would probably get a huge kick out of it, and expand some opportunities for them. Just haven't felt comfortable turning them on to it, at this stage. Multiply that by 10,000 or more people already using it....add in new people....and it looks promising.

Thanks, Ashe

There must be a way to allow people to AFFORD to be creative in SL. While in RL it's not unthinkable for an artist to spend dollars on canvas, paint, computer or whatever they need, in SL the cost of their materials seems to be an issue.
A lot of my favourite places disappeared because of money issues.

Somewhere, somehow, there must be a way to make tier affordable for non-profit content creators without renting malls space in random corners (which sort of destroys the illusion as you wander through a forest).

Golgothica is one example, albeit rather steep for the user.

Why do you say that?
(Not that mainland is all that creative right now, anyway )

Extremely difficult with the current setup, the bills need to be paid somewhere. I've let a guy setup an art gallery for free, as far as I know he welcomes contributions from other artists but I can't afford to do that on much of my land.

ahahahaha
overall i suppose i do agree with you.
but ll should have sorted out this sort of thing ages ago.

i don't mean that as far as creative people but more as limits on land ratings..it has the deepest range of all the mainlands..for instance someone wishes to open an outside art gallery but it may be a bit risky for the new mature..nothing too big really but i think the land may hold a bit more value with it having deeper range of freedoms..

i'm more curious than anything really and can't wait to see a few months down the road after things have settled..

Zindra is exactly like mainland. Don't bother sending noobs there. All the hassle for the same content, pg, mature and adult.

LOL you go girl!!!!

i wonder if a private island rated adult works the same way?
would people still have to have age verification..it is the rating that stops them or is this just something that only zindra has?

Interests me, too.
I haven't been in SL a huge amount lately because of RL, but I have not seen even ONE notice from LL to inform me that any changes in adult ratings/areas are happening. Not everyone reads blogs, forums and the web site.
How is the average person supposed to know that their al fresco sex carpet is in violation of the new rules? How would they know why their alt isn't allowed on certain parcels? Will there be some sort of inworld announcement to explain all this?