List of bad camping places

Building and creating may be the main crux of your experience here. It isn't mine. Sure I dabble at building, but building in computer generated materials is not among my best skills. I can(or could) build a very nice table out or real wood, but transferring it to pixels is impossible for me.

So my draw here is the people, the friendships and relationships I have developed over the past many months.

Your "artists are the reason SL is here" argument is not going to gain you much traction with most people in SL now days.

/me nods in agreement

I see your point of view..and yes the Artists wouldn't be quite so well off without the consumer.

I don't want it to seem like I'm putting the non creator types down(I don't believe the non creator type exists ) buuuuut to try and sift my personal feelings from facts.

Camping is not a neccessary evil. There's no need for people to participate in falsifying traffic results.

If there's a need for Linden then some other activity (thats legitimate) needs to be thought up.....besides that..

~Lana Tomba

When I owned a club, I did have a Campmaster, it was set at 30% of my normal daily traffic. I did require all users to be active dancing and chatting. AFK campers who did not make mention that they were stepping away for a moment were kicked and banned after 3 warnings in open chat. So yes, some people do actively camp.

I'm not trying to be ugly but if you insist on being a pawn in "some artists" scheme to bend traffic results by gleefully camping., then it's not really us VS them..its US vs US LOL

Which is usually what it turns out to be anyways..the sin of our fathers revisited upon us.. We artists did it to ourselves.

~Lana Tomba

I think camping and money trees are good for new residents who are just checking things out first. With those few Lindens earned, hair demos and skin demos can be purchased. Not to mention that there are free or nearly free items (of quality) for those under 30 days of age.

But most people quickly discover that it's a waste of time to camp and hunt for a few Lindens when USD$10 will net you about $L2,700, which is good for a little shopping spree (depending on what you buy) if you are compelled to buy things. I do understand some people do not wish to put real money into SL, and for them, learning a trade is essential -- but camping won't provide that income usually desired by that person.

I also know many people who simply get happy with their avatar, never own land, and just explore and socialize.

There are those who wish to buy, those who wish to build and so on. It's a good thing and keeps the economy going.

No one is better than another (well, there are those soulless exploiters, but that's beyond the scope of this post).

Most of us are here to explore this world. How we do it, provided no one is harmed in the process, is irrelevant.

To the OP: I'm not sure it is worthwhile to compile those kind of statistics. It looks like you are compiling them for the benefit of campers but there are several other sites already posting camping information for Second Life. If you are going to do one you might want to use the others as a reference point for places to check out and evaluate though.

To the rest: While it's true that it is generally not productive and can actually be counterproductive depending on what part of the world you live in and whether one's computer would not be turned on but for camping in Second Life (it's actually feasible to net a loss of money if the computer is inefficient enough, electricity is expensive enough and the computer would otherwise be off), there will always be people who will be seduced by the allure of "free" money from camping.

The ability to create content is unique to Second Life but that does not make it the defining character of the platform. One could easily argue that it is the social nature of Second Life that is the primary feature as there would be no need for it to be an online platform otherwise.

First of all, you aren't taking into consideration that most campers are newbies who are learning the game, have seen that they need money, and aren't even given the $10 required to upload a texture...should they even know at that point that they need a texture.

Secondly, you also aren't taking into consideration that there are some people in SL who are willing to put out one camping bench or three camping towels for the sole purpose of helping their fellow residents, because 3 people on a bench aren't changing traffic numbers in any significant manner.

How about chilling a little?

I don't see a problem with camping. It draws traffic to clubs so that storeowners can make more money. It helps noobs get the linden they wouldn't otherwise have. Sure it's easier to just plunk money into sl. I've made things and had a little storefront as well. I also camped when I first stated out. Do I find any of these options to be superior to the others? Nah.

Traffic sells. Campers aren't getting paid for nothing, they're getting paid for boosting traffic, which in turn boosts the relevancy of a location, which in turn can boost business.

If someone is looking for a store to rent, they're almost certain to check traffic. The fact that traffic doesn't mean shoppers is irrelevant at this point, this is a stat that people will check before renting.

The important stat of course is visitors to sales, but there's no public available stat for that and so people will use traffic stats to measure the worth of a location.

If LL were to remove traffic from any sort of relevancy and hide the figures from public view, then camping would be an activity where people are paid for nothing.

How do you mean interruptions?

Are you looking to make a list of places that people who are looking to camp should stay away from? For what reasons?

Do you camp yourself? What if you list a place as bad.. but only you have had a negative experience..? That could keep a genuine camper away from somewhere they could of camped happily..

as an active camper, i would list bad camping places as those who cause lag and have a short time span before they boot you.

good camping places are any place that i can stick my alt and go to sleep, and have it still earning when i wake up.... to add gravy to that... a spot that is members only, designated for ME!

if a person can't sell enough crap to make tier, and wants the game to pay for itself with minimal effort, then camping is a surefire way to go. if you shut off your moniter, it is not a resource hog.

It seems that you are running under an assumption that everyone wants to be creative or should be creative. SL is "your world, your imagination". If that means getting to live the high life of expensive cars, big houses and fancy clothes then that's what they want.

Many people work hard all day, want to come in and chat and be silly and have no desire to create. It would seem too much like work to them.

Many who might want to create may only be on for limited amounts of time. If they created they would be doing it all the times they were on and that may not what they want all the time so they choose not to.

The list goes on and on.

Basically, what SL started out to be is no more and probably never will be again. Time to move on...