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Looks like judging.As does the following:The irony about reading comprehension here is really thick.Indeed.


Obvious troll is obvious.

But the underlying message in all of these IP theft threads is consitently that it is ok when content creators get ripped-off because, well ... "hey there is nothing we can do about IP theft so "Give up, 'stop whining,' and accept it because that's the way it is baby."

The troll here is obviously you. He who has nothing to say but trolls just for the sake of trolling.

If you can't respond intelligently with a poignant point of view then be big enough to excuse yourself.

Troll.

Okay, if nothing else, I have to admit that brightened my day... I needed a good laugh! I'll probably be smiling all afternoon...

OK, try this one.

You buy you television, dvd player, etc. from a local store. There was a bundled deal of a DVD player and some DVDs but you decided not to buy that. The following week, that store is raided by the police for selling pirated DVDs. The police come around to your house, they don't take any DVDs - because you never bought any but they do take your television, dvd player, etc.

"Oh, were these stolen property too", you ask the police officer.

"Oh no", he explains, "we checked all the paper work and the accounts, and only the DVDs were pirated. All the electronic products were sourced from a local reliable wholesaler and their receipts checked out with the wholesalers records. No, these are all legal - but we're confiscating them anyway, because, you know, he *was* selling pirated DVDs"

Matthew

I find that, most often, people who resort to "noob!" or "troll!" often describe themselves more accurately than anyone they are (poorly) communicating with. It's the last bastion of the clueless, witless, and those on the losing side of a reasoned debate.

Anyway.. off to spend energy on something worthwhile; my suggestion is that you do the same, before it devolves any further below kindergarten level. :

There appears to be a lot of confusion and differing accounts to this incident though. One account has it that only those items that were co-mingled, or that contained stolen/infringed scripts, were confiscated.

L$3,000/outfit * 60 copies per outfit = L$180k/outfit = US$679/outfit

People keep mixing two issues up in this and other threads. Let's be clear:

1. Items rezzed in-world containing content listing Eva Capalini as creator were removed en masse by Linden Labs.

2. Some of the content was stolen, some was not.

3. The biggest issue affecting residents were the use of MLP scripts by Miffy Fluffy. These were originally released by Miffy Fluffy under GPL and were free to copy, use, etc. as long as the copyright notice inside the script code itself stayed intact.

4. Eva Capalini uploaded the scripts to SL and they ended up in a number of in-world products including sex furniture and AOs. They properly carried the original copyright and, under terms of the GPL, she had the right to do so. Those scripts were the same that Miffy Fluffy also released in-world except they carried Eva Capalini as the "creator".

5. A lot of builders have used Miffy's scripts (in either Eva tagged or Miffy tagged form) in their products. Again, all legally. (Note that some builds contain animations used illegally but this applies to both Miffy & Eva MLP scripts.)

6. It appears that LL made no distinction in the removal of totally legal items and those that were stolen. They simply removed content that listed Eva Capalini as creator. Objects that had been completely created by their owners from scratch but used Eva's tagged versions of the MLP scripts were deleted. LL gave no notice of its intentions and seemingly, little or no thought as to the consequences of what it did.

IMHO, what LL did while admirable in many respects, was completely overreaching. A little research and prior notice to residents would have gone a long way. There was no rush to delete the in-world items -- especially since a lot of them were perfectly legal.

@Court -- receiving stolen property applies when the property is in fact stolen. In this case, some was, but much wasn't.

@Kitty -- Believe me, as a designer, I am very sensitive to content theft. I've read a lot about digital and rl copyrights. I make and upload all my own clothing textures (some of the fabrics in them are mine and some are GPL or public domain). But if you want a total guarantee of virgin origins, you will never get it. Honestly, some of the things you are looking for would drive small designers like me out of business.

AFAIK, "registering" a trademark or copyright only gives you additional damages SHOULD YOU WIN IN COURT. It confers NO additional rights to the trademark or copyright holder. The trademark holder has rights by commercial usage and origination. The copyright holder has rights by it being an original published work.

@Cheyenne -- Simply being associated with someone nefarious doesn't automatically make items you got from them "stolen" property. If the law EVER starts holding that, we'll be in a police state. 1 degree of separation will turn into 6.

Is the MLP Script LEGAL that has Miffy's as the creator?

HOW IN THE HELL do you know what is legit to use or not? I really don' t think people want to infringe upon copyright or intellectual property rights. But how the hell do you know? Even after checking this way and that, people can still complain your product is infringement regardless whether it is or not!

Is the MLP Script LEGAL that has Miffy's as the creator? Can I use this script with the products that I build provided I use her note card? Can I add the full perm animations I so expensively bought? What about the freebie full perms animations? Can I use those in my builds? What if I buy full perm animations/poses, then the person I bought them from gets nabbed for copy right infringement? Are all my products going to be deleted when there was no way I could of known they were copy right infringed? This is terribly confusing! How do you tell a legit merchant from a non-legit merchant?

If you would have taken your own advise and tried reading and comprehending my posts prior to writing your above million word dissertation you would have understood that I said we all suffer from the immoral acts of these thieves.

"All" means consumers, content creators, resellers, LL, SL, you, me, EVERYONE!

I have compassion. I am a huge consumer myself. I love shopping and anyone who knows me knows that shopping is the one thing I love doing more than anything else in SL. So of course I feel for all of the consumers who have been victimized and made to suffer from this incident.

Mine is not a consumers against content creators, or residents against LL, or me against you, cause. Mine is an everyone who is attempting to do right in SL against content thieves in SL cause.

The thing is, unlike many on these forums, I am consistent. Which is more than I can say for many posters on these forums. My fight has always been, and will always be, to come down hard on content thieves and to devise and implement stricter enforcement measuresby which to deal with this problem.

But the underlying message in all of these IP theft threads is consitently that it is ok when content creators get ripped-off because, well ... "hey there is nothing we can do about IP theft so "Give up, 'stop whining,' and accept it because that's the way it is baby."

Unless, off course, anyone else is made to suffer because god forbid then it becomes a huge problem and everyone be damned.

The point being that we are ALL made to suffer from content theft. As proven by what has happened in this situation. So that when it happens, place the blame were it belongs. Not on consumers, not on content creators, not on you, or me, or LL. Place it where it belongs, and that is directly and solely on the thieves that create the problem to begin with.

Direct your ire and anger toward them and do something to solve the problem along those lines rather than spewing the inconsistencies see in these threads that so long as it is only the content creators that are victimized it is ok, but when others are victimized it is LL, the content creators, and anyone else EXCEPT the dam thieves, who are consistently vicariously and vehemently defended by many on these forum posters through their lackadaisical "leave it alone and do nothing about content theft because there is nothing we can do about it" attitude.

Slow down and try reading, and understanding, what you read next time before you lash out at someone.

Comprehension is a wonderful thing.

You really don't know unless you can prove chain of custody or you make the entire work yourself. I think you just have to make reasonable assumptions and move on.
Miffy was the original programmer and the scripts were posted on the web for all to grab and use in SL. The MLP script is legal from a license standpoint regardless who is listed as the "Creator" in the SL perms system -- as long as Miffy's copyright notices stay intact within the scripts. However, Matthew's suggestion that you repaste the scripts into your own is a good one. Or get fresh copies of Miffy's own versions from in-world and use those. My bed has them.

If you plan to buy full perms stuff to resell, you should check with the original creator to make sure they are being purchased legally. Even if you are buying from someone you THINK is the original creator, there is no 100% way to tell that it still wasn't ripped from someone.

Popular stores make big money, claiming anything else is just silly and they're entitled to all of it, but it also gives them the ability to seek out infringers with more than barely a slap on the wrist.

Well stated.

Thank you.

PS- Oh, forgot to say... I agree with you 100%.

Given that he posted that in response to my post, Cheyenne, I don't think he's agreeing with who you think he's agreeing with. I'd be careful about saying "thanks" for his post. He did say in response to my post:

Excuse me but its clear that it was you who called someone out as a troll. Given that, regardless of who he meant it for, it obviously applied to you.

It is also obvious that subtle sarcasm is lost on you as well.

Man, I'm glad I didn't leave this thread... I got ANOTHER really good laugh out of it!

i suggest you take your own advise in lashing out and in comprehension and me and you would not be going round and round like we are..you nip at me like i don't have a clue or haven't been there before and you are gonna get a long drawn out response because you are asking for one..
i've been in business since i was 10 years old..you are not giving me some kind of wake up call to content theft and who suffers more or who suffered before this..thats nothing but common sense..

i've said it long before you and one of the first to say it..that the only one not getting hurt in all this is the thief..
i'm not here to argue with you but you want to be snippy we can do that..i work for myself and i can pull up anytime i want and have someone take over while we vent hahahaha

like i said i have been doing something about content theft every chance i get and yes i hope this thief is broke for the rest of her life for pulling this crap and laughing at warnings given to him or her..
the people that don't give a crap about content theft and are out there trying to take advantage knowing they are buying black market skins and full perm stuff they have seen in creators stores for 5k then see it in these full perm stores for 100 to 500 ..they know exactly what they are doing when they buy that stuff..
they are just as much the thief..

those are the ones that deserve to have a quick switch thrown..
those are the ones that don't care about content theft..not the ones being loyal to their creators they shop at..
those people that take advantage of the full perm rippoff stores are doing nothing but promoting it..wish for them to be the ones to get hurt in all this..
not the ones buying from good people..
i wish there was a way to flip a switch and only the ones that promote it or steal it were the only ones that get hurt..
you seem to think this is going to make everyone aware of content theft and it's going to help the cause by hurting the bread and butter of these good places.

some of us bitch about it and some of us do something about it but
everyone knows about it

i'm sure not gonna feel good that people feel my pain just so they are aware now..

really i am glade to see LL finally starting to get involved i really am..maybe this was some kind of eye opener to say Hey wake up we are involved now lol

i think they would scare more people with a blog notice and a blue menu and caused less trouble than doing it how they did is all..
maybe i am too my rl and not enough sl when it comes to matters like this..

Keep laughing. The jokes on you.

You were simply used.

What you are not aware of is that Talarus Luan and I have prior history on this subject. He is one of those aforementioned forum posters that defends thieves through his cry of "there is nothing we can do about content theft so stop trying to do anything about it and just accept it" attitude.

In other words, he used you to try and take a shot at me. Which is very ironic because in doing so he only insulted you being as how you were the one who initially called someone a troll.

But you are both so desperate in your attempts to grasp at anything that will somehow redeem you, you are both not able to see that he in fact insulted YOU.

He couldn't help himself though, and neither could you.

Petty and sad I know.

After a DMCA and another 'big' battle in Jan/Feb 2008 he stopped selling my stuff, but still ripped my general tos, for most of the stolen items he sold! the irony..

Actually, any "joke" here would, yes, be on you.



And you're just another "Sky is falling" apologist for paranoia.

I've never defended a thief anywhere, despite your hyperbolic BS.

All I have ever said is that it is *impossible* to PREVENT "content theft" (properly called Copyright Infringement), so stop trying to PREVENT it and accept that fact. I NEVER said ANYONE had to accept it. Fight it. I do. Why is it so hard for you to understand? Can you understand? Oh, wait, riiiight.... *lightbulb goes on*

However, you are one of those of the opinion that you can play God and dictate that the entire technology industry do everything it can to protect one single texture, despite the fact it would COMPLETELY destroy the very thing that Copyright exists to protect: the BALANCE between content creators and the public.



He called your *posts* a troll. You called *him* a troll. The difference is in the tact used. However, I doubt you will see that for what it is, so why am I bothering?



Except you are wrong. It is my post, and I will repeat what I said: I agree with his assessment 100%: Obvious troll is obvious. To help you understand that, let me rephrase for him: "Your posts are so obviously incredulous and obtuse that you have to be trolling."



Listen to who is talking!

Pot, meet kettle....

Oooh, lookie here. He finally got the nerve to address me directly. As opposed to taking a backstabbing jab through another poster.

Congratulations on your newfound courage.