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Is there a list of approved wagering devices?

Blot Brickworks
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06-08-2008 09:15
From: Butch Adzebills
Qie, as it's your land, you're ultimately responsible for anything that happens on it. It'll be you that receives the LL warning or suspension, not the owner of the machines.

If you're concerned whether something's legal or not, err on the side of caution and don't allow it. If you don't already do it, add a list of "don't do this" in your rental notecard. It makes it so much easier, when you tell them to bugger off :)


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06-08-2008 09:41
From: Mjolnir Uriza
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Chuchaki Slade
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Wagerin policy Gambling and BET
06-12-2008 03:26
At the TOS Policys

http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/08/09/anti-gambling-policy-update-faq/
http://blog.secondlife.com/2007/07/25/wagering-in-second-life-new-policy/

Is cleared whitch games are Legal or not.

The point is "to determinate a Winner" (By rely on Chance).
That means Luck games -- Gambling !!

Skillgames are tolerated.

I have had a Talk about These games who uses Rely on Chance.
Rely on chance mean if a random number generated result gives you a win or LOOSE.

Zyngo Gives you the Devil who steal your Points (All copys of zyngo too).

How comes the Devil ?? Rely on chance i think everyone should make hisself picture ofthe situation.

Deal gives you at the end some Buttons who half your score or Double it.

How works this ?? I Think Rely on chance !!

I got the Information from Support Team "if anyone think a game is Gambling he should make an abuse Report"

If you Think A Game is Gambling Wagering or else illegal, make an Abuse Reports and tell there it is a game who uses rely on chance to determinate a Winner !!"

If all Users who read this do that we will find the Power to open LINDENS the eyes that they need us and not the Gambling Games.

In fact What is a Skillgame.

You have to use your Skill to get Points.
A Skillgame "NEVER" gives an automatic Penalty (like a Deivl who steal points)

If 2 different Persons come to a Skillgame and Make the Same Moves they will have the Same Points !!

A Skillgame gives All (nearly) the Same chance to get Points (GET POINTS BY SKILL)

I have had different Games at Zyngo and have had the Same Result (all numbers Checked)

But tHe Score was from 15.000 points till 90.000 points.

Other examble. All Numbers Checked 20.000 Points

Not all numbers Checked 50.000 Points.

Who think Zyngo is Skill ??????

I think the Lindens who got Money to tolerate it.

There is a Group Named "FANS OF ZARA LINDEN" (ZARA APPROVE GAMES -- ZYNGO TOO)

The Groupcarta says like ZARA WE LOVE YOU AND PRAY FOR YOU *lol*

Who is Member there ?? AARGLE THE CREATOR OF ZYNGO.

How much have he Paid to ZARA ???

AT NOVEMBER "==/ ZARA APPROVED A GAME AND SAID ITS FINE.(TOLERATED)
At February she said it is Illegal !!

Maybe it is a Sytem of LINDEN LABS.

This Game is OK. Now it is Selled Users have uploaded MONEY.
Now it is Illegal. USER LOAD UP AGAIN MONEY !!!!

IF ANYONE HAVE QUESTIONS IM ME INWORLD !!
Qie Niangao
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06-12-2008 04:36
Ummm. I don't know Zara Linden, but I'd be pretty surprised if she's taking "kickback" L$s from the ragtag assortment of ne'er-do-wells who make up what's left of the SL gaming industry. For one thing, their whole revenue stream wouldn't make much of an impact on any Linden's income, so if Zara were to shake down the gambling syndicates, it would be an act of extreme desperation. :p

That said, I believe this whole situation is fraught with peril for LL's legal department. I think I understand that publishing any list of approved devices would only make the eventual liability worse (and easier to identify), but hiding behind a slapdash enforcement process for the gambling policy is ultimately not going to work. (This same "fuzzy enforcement" philosophy is gonna bite LL in the ass with IDV, too, eventually... but then it will be the PR department on the ropes, instead of counsel--unless they try to use IDV for something more serious than the current PR window-dressing for fraudulent underage residents on the Main Grid.)

What's also mysterious to me is why LL doesn't just ban any game that pays out L$s and contains *any* element of chance. I'm not trying to be a prude or a killjoy here, I'm just thinking about how much more work they make for themselves with such a fuzzy line of demarcation. If SL were known to be a place where *all* gambling was uniformly banned and dealt with severely, the amount of enforcement required to keep it that way would be vastly less than the current steady flow of ARs from a public with no way to know the actual violation threshold of "chanciness." (If LL were unionized, this would look like a "job security" thing... or a "low-impact" assignment for some board member's idiot nephew.)
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06-12-2008 06:30
Here is how I always thought the List would be:

If you know two or more Lindens, it's not gambling.

If you know only one or less Lindens, it's gambling.

I'm just kidding for the humor impaired.
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Johan Durant
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06-12-2008 08:35
My advice would be the same as many others have already stated: call a Linden over to check it out.

From: Qie Niangao

And finally, if the thing somehow is still allowed despite being an obvious game of chance, how much of a jerk would I be to tell my tenant he can't rez it here anyway--there being nothing explicit in the lease about such things?

Personally I see this as close enough to a legal issue to be a reasonable decision on your part. This isn't to say your tenant won't make a big stink about it, because they almost certainly will.
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06-12-2008 09:05
From: Qie Niangao
Ummm. I don't know Zara Linden, but I'd be pretty surprised if she's taking "kickback" L$s from the ragtag assortment of ne'er-do-wells who make up what's left of the SL gaming industry. For one thing, their whole revenue stream wouldn't make much of an impact on any Linden's income, so if Zara were to shake down the gambling syndicates, it would be an act of extreme desperation. :p


LOL

Im sure its not a financial thing.

I think instead its just a haphazard enforcement thing and the Linden you just mentioned is the one with the biggest haphazard reputation.
Dagmar Heideman
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06-12-2008 10:45
From: Qie Niangao
...That said, I believe this whole situation is fraught with peril for LL's legal department. I think I understand that publishing any list of approved devices would only make the eventual liability worse (and easier to identify), but hiding behind a slapdash enforcement process for the gambling policy is ultimately not going to work...
It's better than nothing. Linden Lab can make a good faith argument that it does not allow "unlawful internet gambling" as (not?) defined under the UIGEA.

From: Qie Niangao
...What's also mysterious to me is why LL doesn't just ban any game that pays out L$s and contains *any* element of chance.
Notwithstanding how it does or doesn't enforce it, according to Linden Lab's written policy it does ban any such game. I imagine it is unlikely that banks will move beyond examining the written policy to determine whether Linden Lab is violating the UIGEA. If any bank were to make a detailed examination of what is going on inworld though Linden Lab could end up in some very deep doo doo.
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