Is LL kidding with us?

When I read in the SL's official blog that LL will take actions against ad-farms I was happy, so I sent some AR's to LL of some ad-farms that there are near my land. Nothing happened with those AR's.

A week or two ago a new ad-farm appeared near my land, but this is a very special one:

1: It's in a 32sqm parcel with 7 prims amount, but this ad farm has more than 20 so it uses a temp rezzer, we know that temp rezzers make the sim unstable.
2: It has adult content, in a PG sim.
3: It's and ad farm, and according to an official LL announcment they were going to do something about them.

I sent an AR: Nothing.

I sent a ticket, this is what I got:

"""Hi there,

Your report has been received and investigated by Linden Lab; if the reported incident violates Second Life’s Community Standards or Terms of Service we will take appropriate action.

If any further information is required, Linden Lab will contact you regarding this incident. Otherwise, please consider the matter resolved as no further communications will be sent.

What to expect: Linden Lab examines each abuse incident independently. Linden Lab will not disclose the resolution of abuse/community standards violations with Second Life residents, except when necessary to introduce a new/amended policy. Linden Lab will not disclose incident details including (but not limited to): identity of the reporter, details of chat logs, resolution of incidents, suspensions/banning of Second Life residents.


Best regards,

Linden Lab and the Second Life Community team """


Now I don't know if they are going to something about it or not, this made me break my teeths:

"If any further information is required, Linden Lab will contact you regarding this incident. Otherwise, please consider the matter resolved as no further communications will be sent."

So, how much I have to wait? A week, a month a year? I'm paying 40 US$ per month and this is the support I got from them?

The ad-farm is located at Fenric 217,131,23

http://img512.imageshack.us/img512/6357/adfarmadultcontentyk2.jpg

***I would appreciate if you help me sending an AR about this ad farm. ***

They are not respecting even the basic PG/Mature issue.
They lied when they say they where going to take actions against ad-farms
They don't care if a client (because I'm a client, I pay to them, not a resident as they say) has bad performances in its land because a temp rezzer is near.

Sorry to be cynical here but....... this is commonly known as the "LL doesn't really seem to care about us little guys" concept?

I'm really sorry to hear about their lack of response, but perhaps this might help...
Currently LL are going after, not adfarms in general, but people who are buying 16m or so plots and using them to either drive down or out their neighbors. Basically using the plots to extort money. Ads are still allowed, BUT you should probably still have gotten a response for the adult content in a PG sim. Although, if their plot is marked mature within that sim, I'm not sure how against the rules it is. The ad farm near you, if they aren't trying to flip their 16m plot for multiple thousands of Linden$ probably won't have anything happen to it, unfortunately, since they are still within the TOS. Good luck though, and try filing again but with the emphasis on the temp rezer and inappropriate content.

How long will you continue paying your $40 a month, despite a lack of response? Tolerating inaction suggests that residents will pay their fees despite ineffective customer service, especially on "mission statement" policies like PG/M and initiatives such as the ad farm ban. Vote with your feet.

That is one ugly ad parcel. But it's not for sale so it's exempt from the ad farm policy.

The ads are for adult services, but using PG images. On that point, LL could make itself clearer, what aspects make an ad "adult" for Community Standards purposes? Those onces are skirting the edges at the very best.

I bumped into Kahiro while checking out the sign. It's not for sale so no extortion happening there. The graphics are border line but look like they are not too graphic IMO. Not much he can do about those.

Performance was an issue and it's using a temp rezzer so that is definitely AR'able.

One interesting note is the NBC television network is one of the advertisers. Of course, it's within their right and I'm sure they went through a 3rd party source and have no idea but I plan to tell them what I think as a consumer. It's easy for me to say that I'm going to refuse to watch their network from now on - Lost is the one and only show I watch and it's on ABC. NBC doesn't have to know that, though.

Right: if the land is not for sale (and if there's no hint in the description or the owner's profile that it might be), then the recent adfarm ban doesn't make the parcel any more a violation than it used to be. But if the temp-rezzing can really be shown to have a performance impact in this particular case, LL will remove the offending scripted prims. And if the content is inappropriate for a PG sim, again, it will be removed.

The next step after the ban is much slower: getting advertisers (in-world and external) to understand that they are at best throwing away their money and more likely hurting themselves by being associated with the scam-centric content that gets on these advertising prims. This will take longer, and will require persistence, but eventually the ad networks (as currently formulated) will starve out.

And there will be some additional embarrassment for LL, when GE and Vivendi start getting hardcopy letters to their corporate branding departments about the NBC Universal logo in SecondLife and in what scummy company it is to be found here.

It will be interesting if the new CEO will be as patient with such things as we've seen in the past.

I disagree. Just because it isn't explicitly set for sale does not disprove extortion intent.

It's obvious that a lot of people will just say: "Look, what do I have to do to get rid of you?"

Of course, it's pretty hard to prove *any* kind of intent, in any case. Nobody can get into someone else's head.

There's also no requirement to use a small parcel to destroy land values in an area. A 1024m lot, used horrifically, could do thousands of dollars of damage to four entire regions.

It doesn't matter how low your draw distance is - it's still there, looming large. Just because you can't see everything behind you, doesn't wipe the stuff behind you from existence.



This is where private estate land really shines - a parcel/ad like that would be obliterated even before the warning, on just about any private estate. Harsh as that may seem, that is what it's gonna take for the mainland to clean up its anarchic image.

No we don't, and they don't. It's possible to use them so that they do, but an extra 13 prims isn't going to have any noticeable impact on the sim.

1) AR it for every violation you think it could have. For example, PG violation, then excessive sim resource use (temp rezzer), adlot violation.

2) Have your friends do the same thing

3) If this doesn't work, and you own the land around it, BLOCK IT IN. Make a wall around it, or perhaps some sort of land spire, or possibly a giant tree. I have no issue with people who take such action against these scum.

They take prims from the whole sim total prims limit, that's a very strong reason. Add to that the listener scripts that has inside, the auto update script, textures changing constantly.

And if you want a better second life you shouldn't be saying that.

Number (3) is only good advice if you want an AR filed against yourself by the adfarmer.

I have a very good second life, ty

Your second sentence can be said of any number of things. Your first sentence is true at the moment, but not when Havoc4 is deployed everywhere. Even so, that's not what you wrote initially. You wrote that temp rezzers make the sim unstable, which is what I quoted and responded to.

What would be nice, would be, Call LL on the phone and while you are online, a Linden Employee shows up, within a a reasonble time (half hour---hour or so) , and deals with it. At the very least give the adfarmer a 7 day notice to cease and desist.

This means defining exactly what an adfarmer is and sticking to it.

See, the OP is complaining that LL are not doing something they never ever committed to doing, so I just don't see the grounds for that complaint.

LL said in that blog post that it was using adfarms for extortion that they were cracking down on, and from anecdotal evidence on these forums, they are doing that, for big and small equally.

An adfarm on its own isn't extortion. You would have to come up with some other evidence that the owner was practicing extortion - the most obvious one is that the land is for sale at a ridiculously high price, but there are obviously others.

Some of the other things that others have brought up, like the temprezzing and so on, might be considered harassment, but just ARing an adfarm isn't going to get your anywhere, unless you have more to go on.

"Signs, signs, everywhere there's signs...."

Depends on execution. You can completely block out a microparcel--it's not like we can't do point-to-point teleports so there'd be any actual reason that parcel access had to be granted. But there may be some Lindens/Liaisons who haven't gotten the memo and are still operating with archaic guidelines, so the trick is to be very obvious that you're bending over backwards to not violate any such guidelines. So, the blocking prims should be phantom and full-alpha on the inside, and the surrounding land should not ban the microparcel's owner (as with the Clocktower Network probes). It probably also helps to make the blocking prims part of some elaborate structure. To be extra cautious, I enclosed an extra 4x4 square of my own land, just so I can argue that they've been granted "access" commensurate with their parcel size, should it ever come to that.

We interrupt this thread for another evil idea from Annabelle...


Have a child avatar stand or hover next to the adult ad. As the child Avie is in a PG sim, there's no violation on the avie's part. However, at that point the Adfarmer has provided mature content in the prescence of a child avatar in violation of Community standards.

Make sure to include a screenshot of this in the AR. (turn avatar names off though)

I know exactly which ads you're talking about - she has them in lots of sims. I have AR'd those ads in the past for pornography and for abuse of sim resources with the temp rezzers - so have several other folks I know - and nothing has ever been done about them to my knowledge.

This may have already been said but if so again.

Lindens have been doing things to minimize the ad farm onslaught.

They have proactively been contacting owners that have property abbutting or surrounding small parcels. That action is a major change and the Lindens stepped up to the plate.

Further, Lindens created an environment, we the residents build, create the content (or at least that was the idea). Everytime you think LL is supposed to jump in and fix those irritations to your enjoyment you may wish to reflect.

There are always going to be cheats, frauds, unstable harrassing toons, I don't find appealing for the LL to correct it all by further rules and regulations is the right direction. There is a major slippery slope to requesting the canvass provider to become an institionilized governing body.

Another irritant is the bashing that can be found in these forums. Entertain threads like LL going down by replying to the thread and keep throwing that meme out.

Maybe all in world will adopt the fear associated with so many chicken littles "The sky is falling" so the the very thing we feared becomes reality. Still, those that want the noteriety, that think getting thousands to read their posts somehow validates their importance at the cost of us all, is very narrowminded.


I'm not saying discussion is not important, however creative thread titles, designed to get attention especially designed appeal to the dramatic or inane can cause damage way beyond some hurt ego's.

New people not familliar with the intricacies of SL can have a lot of creativity squelched by some of the threads I have seen, may decide not to invest time or money into a world that is dying , going, poorly ran, or a whole hosts of other issues.

Sorry bout the rant all.
Now, everbody shop at Fhelzgud and feel good lol

Something I posted before: Consider the following image:

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1714/adfarmexamplesg6.jpg

[img=http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/1714/adfarmexamplesg6.th.jpg]

It represents a 3x3 block of 16m^2 parcels. The middle is some ugly ad farm. The eight surrounding parcels are owned by a single person. The red represents walls built on that land. What if those walls were:

a) phantom so as not to restrict movement from within the middle ad farm

and

b) textured full alpha on the inside so that you can "see out" with no problems from the middle ad farm

Also, there are 8 walls such that none overlap the ad farm land. I don't think LL should or would do anything about that.

--Hugsy

Sound like a good plan to me

no ridiculous land price = no extortion, however if the use of temp rezzors to go over land prim limits is causeing issues on the sim that can be reported separately

and since it's a a 32m parcel a nice phantom mega will block it from view

I really predict that using Temp rezzors to make basically permanent objects with the obvious goal to exceed your purchased Prim allowance is going to eventually become enforced as a TOS violation.

We can only hope.

I appreciate your opinions about it, and almost everyone agreed that ad-farms suck, so if you wanna help me and help yourself, you can send an AR The ad-farm is located at Fenric 217,131,23.

Stating that this ad-farm has adult content. despite if the pics are in the edge between pg and mature, those pictures advertise playboy and penthouse...that's mature content where I come from.

And it has a temp rezzers wich takes resources from sim.

LL will not pay attention to one or two AR but maybe they will pay attention to 20, 40, 60 AR's.

Also I have a script that adds to your banned list from your land to all known ad-farmers, if you want it send me an IM.