I think that is a SENSIBLE idea and I hope to high heaven that it is true.
Was something I would hoped they would do from the outset. I could probably find the posts. Still Im skeptical of this information.
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 06:38
I think that is a SENSIBLE idea and I hope to high heaven that it is true. Was something I would hoped they would do from the outset. I could probably find the posts. Still Im skeptical of this information. |
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Victorria Paine
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09-20-2007 06:39
Most beds etc can be locked to owner only or group only. Other poseballs can be protected from being used. Security (sad that it is needed in the first place) can be set to immediately eject without warning. That was always seen as unfriendly but I have no qualms that not only is my skybox home on land set strictly to a few avatars (NONE of whom would be shocked by the contents), the security is brutal too. Of course personally I think it's time to up groups available. Maybe that is the incentive for being premium, more groups, half of mine are used up on project groups. I doubt it will be an issue for private residences. Still you can't be too careful. A few weeks ago I added someone to one of my groups, a cheerful pleasant and articulate person with a reasonably normal avatar. Two days later my neighbour told me she'd ejected that person - as a nine year old looking naked child avatar along with some guy - out of her bed. I was mortified. She AR'd her, I AR'd her, ejected her from my group and banned her. I think what I'm going to do is put my "adult" items in a very high skybox with high security and then pretty much sell everything else -- that reduces my financial exposure if things go badly at some stage. I mean I have very close friends in SL who are quite "adult" (ie, in their late 40s and early 50s) who have no intention whatsoever of verifying, so either I restrict my land and kiss those relationships goodbye or I leave my land unrestricted but manage the risk both by (1) having a lot less land so that if I do get zonked by SL or the AR vigilantes at some point my own financial exposure is minimal and (2) having anything adult on that land very elevated and very secure as you suggest. |
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Morwen Bunin
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09-20-2007 06:44
Two days later my neighbour told me she'd ejected that person - as a nine year old looking naked child avatar along with some guy - out of her bed. I was mortified. She AR'd her, I AR'd her, ejected her from my group and banned her. Something like that happened to me as well. I acted the same... eject & ban... followed by a detailed AR. I cannot find the name anymore in search and what I always have understood that means LL has acted on that account. Morwen. |
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Imogen Saltair
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09-20-2007 06:45
I think what I'm going to do is put my "adult" items in a very high skybox with high security and then pretty much sell everything else -- that reduces my financial exposure if things go badly at some stage. I mean I have very close friends in SL who are quite "adult" (ie, in their late 40s and early 50s) who have no intention whatsoever of verifying, so either I restrict my land and kiss those relationships goodbye or I leave me land unrestricted but manage the risk both by (1) having a lot less land so that if I do get zonked by SL or the AR vigilantes at some point my own financial exposure is minimal and (2) having anything adult on that land very elevated and very secure as you suggest. I rent land, where my high secured skybox now is. I sold my mainland parcel and cut to no tier at the time that verification was first mentioned. My only real losses if this comes to pass in the worst case scenario, is the friendships i have here, that could not be maintained in other platforms. It is bad enough Like it says below... Faith is not a blind leap into nothing.. but a thoughtful walk in the light we have imogen. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 06:48
Something like that happened to me as well. I acted the same... eject & ban... followed by a detailed AR. I cannot find the name anymore in search and what I always have understood that means LL has acted on that account. Morwen. Hope they were guilty then. |
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 06:48
Something like that happened to me as well. I acted the same... eject & ban... followed by a detailed AR. I cannot find the name anymore in search and what I always have understood that means LL has acted on that account. Morwen. Let's hope so. It's hard to find people MUCH more broad minded than I am - whatever floats your boat if no harm is done to anyone. This tho ... shakes head. |
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Victorria Paine
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09-20-2007 06:50
I rent land, where my high secured skybox now is. I sold my mainland parcel and cut to no tier at the time that verification was first mentioned. It's the sensible approach if you have relationships with people who will continue to be unverified following the new regime. I wonder how many other people will be trimming their "investment" in the grid to manage their risk. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 06:52
Let's hope so. It's hard to find people MUCH more broad minded than I am - whatever floats your boat if no harm is done to anyone. This tho ... shakes head. The problem comes in when trying to define something just by what you see from panning your camera. to a lot of people theres not much visual diference between a tiny busted petite adult woman avatar and a kid avatar. Especially if that petite avatar is in an embrace with the typical SL male - Over 7 feet tall and gigantic. Thus peopel could easily report "Age - Play" incidents that are not age play incidents at all. |
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 06:53
I rent land, where my high secured skybox now is. I sold my mainland parcel and cut to no tier at the time that verification was first mentioned. My only real losses if this comes to pass in the worst case scenario, is the friendships i have here, that could not be maintained in other platforms. It is bad enough Like it says below... Faith is not a blind leap into nothing.. but a thoughtful walk in the light we have imogen. I'd be mortified if I lost my friends just because of verification. I've just opened an adult themed community hangout as one was missing. I'll be annoyed if I have to close it cos no one will verify. But if that happens it happens. I have a little mainland ... I can sell my beach and live a quieter life in the sky. When one has friends and loved ones in SL that's the most important thing of all. And, with articulate and interesting people around - well, like you, I am ex IRC too. Some of the very very best times I have had have only needed the written word. And it is the written word I would miss most of all. BUT I think this is all going to pretty much blow over anyway, in terms of making life different. |
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Imogen Saltair
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09-20-2007 06:54
I think that if we were going to be grandfathered in they wouldnt be having conseriege Resisdents testing the verification system. Does it make any difference who they are testing it for? my fingers are crossed anyway. imogen _____________________
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 06:55
The problem comes in when trying to define something just by what you see from panning your camera. to a lot of people theres not much visual diference between a tiny busted petite adult woman avatar and a kid avatar. Especially if that petite avatar is in an embrace with the typical SL male - Over 7 feet tall and gigantic. Thus peopel could easily report "Age - Play" incidents that are not age play incidents at all. This is true in principal honey. Not in this particular case tho ... it's one thing to play cutie with pigtails and a teddy bear sitting on a swing and talking to mummy ... it's another to be playing hide the sausage with a teddy bear in your hand. Sad but true. |
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Victorria Paine
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09-20-2007 06:58
I'd be mortified if I lost my friends just because of verification. It's not so much that, it's that if they do not wish to verify you're forced with either leaving your land unflagged or flagging your land and not having them visit you on it. It's forced one way or the other, it seems to me, so perhaps the best approach is to go unflagged, go sky high, and manage the AR risk that way. |
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Morwen Bunin
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09-20-2007 07:00
The problem comes in when trying to define something just by what you see from panning your camera. to a lot of people theres not much visual diference between a tiny busted petite adult woman avatar and a kid avatar. Especially if that petite avatar is in an embrace with the typical SL male - Over 7 feet tall and gigantic. Thus peopel could easily report "Age - Play" incidents that are not age play incidents at all. It happened in my own house. I was 2 meters at most from them away when I logged in. And I asked them what heck what they where doing there (they had to trepass a locked door to get in that room.... I know I know, that means nothing as security. But the signal of a locked door stands). The person admitted that this was her minor avatar... and the shown situation was clear enough. With that image and text on a snapshot I AR'ed and banned them from my land. I am not someone that bans and ejected easily... and thinks twice or even 3 times before I AR. Morwen. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 07:00
This is true in principal honey. Not in this particular case tho ... it's one thing to play cutie with pigtails and a teddy bear sitting on a swing and talking to mummy ... it's another to be playing hide the sausage with a teddy bear in your hand. Sad but true. Yeah - I understand - thats why I said "hope they were guilty" Some people are going to make sure its a kid avatar before they send the AR, And some people will assume the size difference alone means its a kid avatar and not make sure at all. |
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 07:01
It's not so much that, it's that if they do not wish to verify you're forced with either leaving your land unflagged or flagging your land and not having them visit you on it. It's forced one way or the other, it seems to me, so perhaps the best approach is to go unflagged, go sky high, and manage the AR risk that way. Yep. As you can possibly imagine having met me in world, this is something much on my mind at the moment with a fair number of people I hold dear. I can stop doing what I want and make my place PG or I can only go to their place. I personally don't think it will come to it, but I will go PG before I'd lose the ability to have my friends share my spaces. |
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 07:02
Yeah - I understand - thats why I said "hope they were guilty" Some people are going to make sure its a kid avatar before they send the AR, And some people will assume the size difference alone means its a kid avatar and not make sure at all. Some people will indeed make assumptions. And if I were my real height in SL I look like a kid myself. I'm not 6ft tall. *smiles* |
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Victorria Paine
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09-20-2007 07:06
I personally don't think it will come to it, but I will go PG before I'd lose the ability to have my friends share my spaces. Well or simply have an R rated place, have it at 700 metres, don't flag as restricted, and play enforcement roulette. |
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 07:08
While im sure people like Cherry and Morwen would be responsible about who they report for breaking the content restrictions - I have very little faith everyone will be.
I think these age play examples tie directly into the "Adult content" stuff. Since Linden Policy is basically "turn in your neighbor" you are left at the mercy of your neighbors and passers bys and their judgement. Being open to investigation based on the "judgement" of anyone who walks by my land in SL doesnt leave me wth a lot of confidence in the system. |
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 07:15
While im sure people like Cherry and Morwen would be responsible about who they report for breaking the content restrictions - I have very little faith everyone will be. I think these age play examples tie directly into the "Adult content" stuff. Since Linden Policy is basically "turn in your neighbor" you are left at the mercy of your neighbors and passers bys and their judgement. Being open to investigation based on the "judgement" of anyone who walks by my land in SL doesnt leave me wth a lot of confidence in the system. Oh I am fully expecting that someone in particular is just ITCHING to AR me. But then again ... I am going to verify. I personally don't care two hoots about being verified, only those who refuse to (as is their right) losing THEIR rights in SL to live as they please, harming nobody. I have reason to feel I can not trust someone I trusted with my everything (except my password) and it's sad enough to lose someone from your life like that without always looking over your shoulder. So yes ... passport needed for me. |
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09-20-2007 07:15
I think what I'm going to do is put my "adult" items in a very high skybox with high security and then pretty much sell everything else -- that reduces my financial exposure if things go badly at some stage. I mean I have very close friends in SL who are quite "adult" (ie, in their late 40s and early 50s) who have no intention whatsoever of verifying, so either I restrict my land and kiss those relationships goodbye or I leave my land unrestricted but manage the risk both by (1) having a lot less land so that if I do get zonked by SL or the AR vigilantes at some point my own financial exposure is minimal and (2) having anything adult on that land very elevated and very secure as you suggest. One solution for ground or low level unflagged content could be to have a central unflagged sub-parcel surrounded by a thin perimeter barrier of flagged sub-parcel. No unverified could walk or fly in. They would have to TP . It is not clear how the blocking of unverified from restricted parcels will be implemented. If like ban-lines, then someone could fly in at high altitude, but could be blocked from descending into the unflagged central parcel by an aggressive security system waiting at a suitable altitude. If the blocking was not limited by height, then TP would be the only way in. The unflagged parcel landing point could be set to a small platform above the security lsystem to stop the "determinedly inadvertent" from TPing in off the map ![]() |
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Victorria Paine
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09-20-2007 07:22
One solution for ground or low level unflagged content could be to have a central unflagged sub-parcel surrounded by a thin perimeter barrier of flagged sub-parcel. No unverified could walk or fly in. They would have to TP . It is not clear how the blocking of unverified from restricted parcels will be implemented. If like ban-lines, then someone could fly in at high altitude, but could be blocked from descending into the unflagged central parcel by an aggressive security system waiting at a suitable altitude. If the blocking was not limited by height, then TP would be the only way in. The unflagged parcel landing point could be set to a small platform above the security lsystem to stop the "determinedly inadvertent" from TPing in off the map ![]() Interesting, but sounds a bit complicated and also specifically designed to bend the rules. Of course the alternative is just to violate the rules outright, so it bears some consideration. |
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Brenda Connolly
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09-20-2007 07:28
Unless something or someone can make me change my mind, I don't plan or verifying or flagging anything. I'm not moving up into the sky. I'll use every up to this point loathsome security device necessary to keep trspasers out. I decide who visits me, no one else. And we decide what we do during those visits, no one else. Luckily it seems my landlord is going to let us decide for ourselves. I may have to give up visiting some favorite places, but such is life.
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Colette Meiji
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09-20-2007 07:30
Until someone can disprove these rumors about Aristotle paying LL for the privledge of being the verification company -
And the ones of people having their information sold- Im going to have to sit on the side lines - maybe wait a month or two and make sure no one is getting thrown to the telemarketing wolves. |
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Cherry Czervik
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09-20-2007 07:34
One solution for ground or low level unflagged content could be to have a central unflagged sub-parcel surrounded by a thin perimeter barrier of flagged sub-parcel. No unverified could walk or fly in. They would have to TP . It is not clear how the blocking of unverified from restricted parcels will be implemented. If like ban-lines, then someone could fly in at high altitude, but could be blocked from descending into the unflagged central parcel by an aggressive security system waiting at a suitable altitude. If the blocking was not limited by height, then TP would be the only way in. The unflagged parcel landing point could be set to a small platform above the security lsystem to stop the "determinedly inadvertent" from TPing in off the map ![]() I've had similar ideas but yours is much better! *edit* I don't think for one second that LL wants to restrict our freedoms as such. Just restrict the possibilities of culpability. *editing edit* Yes the platform having a BIG sign stating that adult content is ahead and expressly advising that entry to the plot constitutes that you waive any rights to file complaints about anything adult which you might see there. Wonder how that weighs legally? |
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09-20-2007 07:49
Interesting, but sounds a bit complicated and also specifically designed to bend the rules. Of course the alternative is just to violate the rules outright, so it bears some consideration. Not complicated at all I think. It uses standard tools - parcel sub-dividing and security devices. But:- "specifically designed to bend the rules" Yes. But specifically designed to achieve what the rules attempt to bring about!! And that's the real killer area in this farcical verification regime. Whereas it is clear that such a scheme would be intended to prevent access to restricted content by unverified avatars other than personal guests, it would be counter to *the letter* of the rules. A really bad thing about this useless non-verifying verification system is that it legitimises and empowers the inner Napoleons of a bunch of interfering self-righteous busybodies who still haven't got a life even though they are in a second one. These people will interpret the letter of the law in the most extreme way possible that suits their delusions. I think that in any fallout from IDV it will be the activities of these volunteer thought police that will have the greatest impact on life in SL. l |