group owned land vs non group owned land

Can anybody point me to a good resource that best outlines the land settings in relation to group owned land vs non group owned land?

It seems that most info is geared to group owned land & simply doesn't cover land that isn't group owned. I been hearing that on land that isn't group owned, you can now allow group members to have access to media as long as land is 'set' to group however that doesn't seem to work for me.

I am hoping that somebody has a good resource!

tia

Sorry for any duplicity! This has recently been asked & answered (in part) here:
/327/df/271770/1.html

Really a resource is not needed to explain it, thats why there is not one. Your only options when owning non-group land are those in the "About Land" dialog. Only you can change the land settings in there as well.


Because it is related I am copy pasting my response to a nearly identical thread, original thread linked at bottom.

single owner:
A person owns the land, one person. About land is your only interface to land options.
Setting to a group (not deeding) lets you restrict access to that group.
Setting to a group (not deeding) lets you set autoreturn, yet designate some group that can have objects stay permanently.
Roles in groups have no effect, give people all the powers you want, they will not work.

Deeding to group:
The group owns the land, not a person, any number of people can "own" the land by designating roles in the group.
Roles in the group can give any possible "owner" power to anyone. Either one specific power (eg. Eject, freeze) or any number of them, up to and including selling the land.
Deeding to group is good if you want people to be able to staff your land, moderators etc.
Or maybe you just want to give your friends special powers on your land.

Original thread:
/327/df/271770/1.html

Thanks!

One you forgot:

Groups get a 10% break on tier. So you can own 10% more land for the same monthly cost, if you do it through a group.

Sorry for digging up and old thread, but I have been reading around on deeding land to group, and there is something I need clarified. Figured reviving this thread was better than making a new one.

If two people, both owning as much as they can before tier goes up, deed their land to the same group, how will this affect the current tier and the payments of this?

X owns 512. Y owns 512. Both deed to group Z. Z can own 1126 m2 (1024+102) without anyone's tier payments going up.

Ok thanks. But then I wonder, when x and y each pay $15 and $25 a month in tier, and then deed to group z, how does that work with regards to payment?

Think of this strictly in tier first, before thinking about land.

Your payment is based on how much tier you have used. Any tier donated to a group is considered used. So if both people donate all their tier to the group, nothing changes until they contribute more tier to the group. The group can then own 10% more land than the amount of tier contributed, without requiring additional contribution from the group.

If someone pays $15/mo and then donates all of that tier to the group, including their free 512, they will have to increase tier if they buy land personally in their name without subtracting the contribution from the group, or if they buy too much extra land for the group.

You pay for the portion that you donated to the group. So if you donate 512 M2 to the group, and someone else donates 1024, you pay 1/3 of that tier, and they pay 2/3. The "Bonus 10%" for the group, if you add more there, doesn't pay any extra tier.

If you own other mainland parcels, the land you donated to the group is part of what you pay tier on. So if you hold 2048 M2 as your personal residence, and donated an additional 2048 M2 to a group-owned parcel, your tier would be based on holding 4096 M2, (minus your 512 M2 that is free of tier for any Premium account holder.)

*feels brain implode*

Ok, I read, re-read, drank some caffeine and read again.

As far as I understand, bottom line is this: We're good to go, as far as the financial situation stands, practically nothing changes unless we go landshopping again. if I got it wrong I'm switching from caffeine to something stronger, then calling it a day.

In the simplest form... (^_^)

X - $15 = 2560m
Y - $5 = 1024m

Donate tier to group...

Z - 2560 + 1024 + 10% = 3942

Fees stay identical. (^_^)

I'm doing it with my land right now. I have my 512 base tier donated to my own group giving me an instant 563 total tier for my group land. So, I have my 512 parcel plus 3 16m parcels and a remainder of 3m tier sitting there. (^_^)y

Yes, Darion. No need for anything stronger.

There's a sticky near the top of this forum regarding transferring land:

/327/3d/174599/1.html

Although it doesn't describe all the perks, reading it may give you some idea about how the process works.

Oh... Darn..

/me looks at glass and puts it away with a sigh



Thanks all!

Also some good information at:
http://desperationisle.blogspot.com/2007/09/knowing-when-to-deed-your-land.html

It is VERY important to check the box for 'Owner makes contribution with deed' or however it's worded. DO NOT donate tier to the group and then deed your land or you will get double billed.

But NEVER check that box if it isn't Mainland! Deeding land to a group on a Private Esate works differently in that regard, since your tier isn't sent to LL for Private Island parcels. If you check that box while deeding land in a private estate, you can screw up your tier level with regard to Mainland.

Wow, that would suck. I didn't even think about what could happen if you tried it on an island.

Sorry for reviving this old thread but I think it's better to post here instead of opening a new one.

Here's the situation in brief. Together with a friend (both with premium accounts) we want to buy a 1024m2 (+10%) parcel on the Mainland in order to use our free allocated 512m2. We also want the same land privileges, so I suppose the land needs to be deeded to our land group. According to the KB article we need to proceed as below:

1. Creat a group, e.g., "My Land", he as the owner and me as an officer.
2. Contribute our 512m2 to that group, which entitles us for buying a parcel up to 1126m2.
3. He finds a parcel and clicks "Buy For Group"

The question is: after he buys the land *for the group* does he need to deed it (by going to "About Land" and selecting "Allow Deed to Group" and "Owner makes contribution with deed" or is it automatically deeded since it was purchased for that group?

Also this confused me a little:


In our case, he, as the owner of the land group, needs to donate his 512 tier to the group *before* buying 1024m2 parcel. Otherwise the group allocation will be only 512m2 (my donated tier). Or am I missing something here?

Buy for Group IS an alternate deed process. It will bring up the purchase window, which has a box to make a contribution. But DO NOT click the box for owner making contribution IF you have already donated the tier to the group.

Thanks for the quick reply. The first purchase window doesn't have a box to make a contribution or a box for owner making contribution. Perhaps, there is a second purchase window? Or it doesn’t show those two boxes because I've already contributed my tier to the group *and* have that group active?