Setting Land to Group vs Deeding to Group

Another thread made me think of this.

On land, what is the main difference between setting land to group and deeding to group? Are there circumstances that would dictate which to use?

My situation is - I own some land. On the land will be my shop and the home where my partner and I live. So far I have created a group, set the land to group with myself as owner, an alt as a member and my partner as an officer. I want my partner to have all abilities except to sell or abandon the land. (Not that I'm concerned he will, just being businesslike.)

In reading threads where land is deeded to a group and then things on the land change, I've read some horror stories like all items being returned to inventory inadvertently or forgetting to set land to resell to oneself, etc.

So, for my situation, is it really necessary to deed land to group? (The only reason I can think of would be if we had more land where another 512 free tier would be helpful, but in this case it does not apply.)

Thanks in advance This has been puzzling me.

Setting to group:
A person owns the land, one person.
Lets you restrict access to that group.
Lets you set autoreturn, yet designate some group that can have objects stay perminantly.
Roles in groups have no effect, give people all the powers you want, they will not work.

Deeding to group:
The group owns the land, not a person, any number of people can "own" the land by designating roles in the group.
Roles in the group can give any posible "owner" power to anyone. Either one specific power (eg. Eject, freeze) or any number of them, up to and including selling the land.
Deeding to group is good if you want people to be able to staff your land, moderators etc.
Or maybe you just want to give your friends special powers on your land.

The way you have it set up will not work, your alt and partner will have no powers unless you deed it to group.

There is nothing wrong with deeded land in and of itself. The problem is that people put things down on the land before deeding to group, and the items are not set to the proper group. Once they bother to turn autoreturn on, they get their stuff returned if they don't think about it and make proper changes beforehand.

Many things that used to be able to be done via setting group cannot be done anymore. Land must be deeded before a group member can set home. And group members have no power over the land (terraforming, etc.) unless it's deeded.

Thank you, Dante and Cristalle!

Great point about deeding land before putting things on it.

The one thing, though, that I did find different was this:



I have my alt set as a member with fairly limited abilities, but she was able to set her home position on the land. (Of course I just got the message that home had been set and haven't actually tried to tp her there yet, so that might have been a false message.)

So, if I deed to group the "group" owns the land, although I'm the one paying tier. And I can set whatever abilities (ie. I'm the only one with the ability to sell the land). So, if I do deed the land to the group, then later decide to become a sole owner again, I think that's the part I've seen posts of people having inventory returned and such, so as I understand it I would "sell" the land back to myself?

Again, many thanks for your responses.

I had wondered about this too. I would have no idea how to reclaim my land from my group if I ever needed to.

If you later decide to hold the land personally in your name, all you need do is sell to yourself BUT deduct your tier contribution from the group first, so that you don't accidentally get overbilled.

I'm glad I wasn't the only one to have questions on this.

Ohhh...hadn't thought about the tier either. Thank you again

I did a complete breakdown of all group powers that require deeding versus just setting to group (there are lots of them). You can see the list of "set to group" versus "deed to group" powers at this safe-for-work page:

http://desperationisle.blogspot.com/2007/09/knowing-when-to-deed-your-land.html

A very informative and helpful summary, Wildefire! Thanks for taking the time to compile this.

I'd add just a couple of remarks about the difference between Mainland and Estate deeding. In her excellent linked blog post, Wildefire mentions that on her estate, an owner wishing to deed their land "will have to invite me to your land group as an Officer. I'll deed the land when I'm able, and then quit the group." On the Mainland, there's just no way for the deeder to leave as owner of the deed-holding group without giving up all control of the land. On estates, there's an extra level of ownership to retain that control.

Also, unique to Mainland, is the 10% tier bonus. (The OP mentions 512 free tier, but 512 is not an obvious unit for the 10% bonus, and sounds confusingly like the 512 "bonus" tier one gets just for being a Premium member.) The way group tier bonus works is that the amount of tier that is contributed to group actually covers 110% of that amount of land. It is true that it takes a fair amount of land for this to make a big difference, but even that free Premium 512 can become a 560 (for an extra 10 prims, if there's 48 sq.m. in the sim to be bought at a price not set by the extortion parasites).

Just bookmarked that. Thank you, Wildefire!!!

Ah, right. I forgot to put in my post that I own mainland - the exact amount being 2560 m2. With the free 512 for being premium, I pay $15 USD/mo instead of $25 USD. That is the bonus tier. So the 10% bonus is a completely separate thing as I understand from your post?

Sorry for sounding so stupid on all this.

You don't sound stupid at all. It's a good question.

If you donate all your tier to group, you get 10% bonus on that - so you will have 2816m available.

Czari didn't you and I discuss all this awhile back?

I thought that you understood it all, sorry if I was not clear enough

(if I ever explain something to anyone and they are still unclear please please please let me know)
When I see the same question come up here, that I previously helped someone with, it makes me feel like I was not explaining it well enough, and if they do not tell me they do not understand, how will I know what to try to clarify

(sorry but it just makes me feel bad that I was not able to clarify it well enough for you)

Don't feel badly. Math isn't my strong point and this land stuff has puzzled me for awhile, even after reading and trying to research on my own.

When I asked you about it previously, I hadn't purchased any land, so it was more of a "wondering" how it works. Since I have, with the small amount I own I honestly didn't see any advantage in me deeding the land vs setting land to group. Then I think I scared myself by reading posts of people deeding land, then reselling it to themselves and items going back into inventory, etc.

Wanted to get more clarification on the difference between the two so brought it to the forum.

ah, well I thought that we discussed all of the ins and outs, maybe I did not explain it well enough

for your situation that you described to me, setting to group would be your best option, if you wish to make the land group only build, then you need to make sure all your items are set to the same group, BEFORE you set that option on the land (you can set the land to group anytime, just do not check that only group build option, until you have all the items set to group as well)

hopefully the folks here were better able to explain it than I was, obviously I fell short and I can only fault myself for that

Imma throw a pie at you if you say that again

I was trying to recall our conversation last night while falling asleep and just checked my logs. You *did* explain how to set land to group and explained it very well. It was me who was brain dead.

I headed over here to edit my previous post and you beat me to the forums (dang you must get up early.)

nope, I don't sleep

I need for someone to help me if they can. I am renting land and would like to get my TV and Radio set up to listen to and watch and also have it set up to have certain people be allowed to come and go into my place as they choose and to be able for them to open boxes or put up things in my place. If someone can contact me when I'm inworld please do so. I do not know how to do any of this and I really want to learn and do it the right way...Thank you all for your help...Arael Zanzibar...

Group members can set home now on undeeded land.

In all fairness Cristalle did post that in July

I've tested that and it did indeed work for me.

Dude, when did that change?

Hi, Arael! I'm not in world now so hopefully someone who is will be able to help you better, but I'll try for now:

You didn't say if you are renting on mainland or estate land. There are some differences in the two. This info that Wildefire wrote helps understand the two:

http://desperationisle.blogspot.com...your-land.html?

Regarding the TV and radio - we have had a radio while renting and now on my own property that is group deeded. When we rented, we had to contact our landlord to come set something for us. On my current property, my partner owns the radio so I had to give him certain group abilities to set the radio up.

The best thing to do would be to contact your landlord who should walk you through what is needed.