Please Read This. An Open Letter.

First, I am NOT "JIG Clip" and the person who did that knows I can't prove it.
I started these threads because there is no true place to share our experiences and because I am a curious person. SL is NOT simply a world where we count prims or judge each others ban lines. And then ask each other how many we have got or how high should we go.
There is more to it than that. It involves the human in all of us. Yeah, some of my questions were silly and insane. I just followed my heart (and my media experience) and invited comment. If you knew what people text message me about in the real world when I invite comment there ...
There is an opportunity to explore the depths of our experiences here. Personally, I think the Lindens want us to ask questions that had more soul than some of the stuff that's asked here.
If YOU didn't want to comment you didn't have to. As in the real world you can ignore me, turn me off or not buy the newspaper. But SOME people don't turn me off, some people read to the end of what I write and some people also dream. You might notice that I never argue or enter threads involving computers/land claims/business deals - they are other people's domains. If I do, it is to find out more.
If you have found me annoying (in fact. some people have been downright rude and inflammatory about me) then so be it. I have to be thick-skinned in real and a little emotional response is never a bad thing.
I apologize.
I have said many times that I wont enter the forums but then other people contact me because they enjoy my questions and it gives them a chance to think about aspects of SL. It doesnt take much time to answer quickly with a bright riposte or a short and funny comment.
Some of you may even be wondering how to ban me or have me removed; I have done that for you. I wont come back here. My SL partner (sensible man) tells me that this is NOT a forum for the likes of me. I have had endless discussions with him over this. I can assure you he is one of the most intelligent men of his generation. He has told me to drop it, leave forums, so - sadly - I will. I have never actually been on a forum of this type before. If I may make one suggestion ... well, it IS too much of a clique and shuns anyone who isn't simpatico with the rest of you.
But I have done NO wrong. Asking someone if they dream, or if they have expereinces similar to real ones here or ... well, I am just sad for some of you who think I have crossed some boundary by doing that. Yes, things people say DO annoy me. People have treated sl as a Wendy House when it was meant to be a social and educational experiment of the highest order. I have commented on that, it is true.
I guess this is YOUR world and I was the interloper. Go ahead and patronize me with "Jig, you broke all our rules etc etc" - I asked f****** questions for f***'s sake! God help any of you if you are educators or involved in the community. Your reactions were astonishing. And if any of you are journalists or involved in the media then - well, I just hope you are not, that's all.
Well, to be fair, I really dont intend coming back here. And probably other people won't either. I used to read this forum as part of my daily scan of world sites but I really can think of better sites to go to than listen to a bunch of old maids have a go at me coz I tried to make some people smile and recount their own little snips of fun.
To the Lindens, I apologize if I have taken your world in vain. To the few people who entered into the spirit of my threads, it was great fun. IM me when I am in SL, (like someone did last night - thanks for your support, but I think it is a physical impossibility for people to do that to themselves and a bunch of avatars wandering around looking like that might cause a comment even in this forum).
I dont put ban lines up around my houses so drop in and see me. My profile is an open book. Well, a little of sl has rubbed off on me so some people are banned. To the rest of you ... I wish you well. Now I am going to have a look at some art galleries in sl and chat up a few furries and Nekos. See ya around the Sims! Ciao! Jig Chippewa.
P.S The idea of parodying me has been done in real - it wasn't as good as me.

I had to unmute to read. I though you might have something smart to say.
Guess not.




You have got to be kidding me?
You are nuts.

/me mutes again, cause she is sure to come back!

if people were so annoyed by you posting, they could have muted you not to see it, as they didn`t, it is their fault to be annoyed

keep posting, they whine, they can mute you, if they don`t, they can stuff it

thread count is abit high, but if i can live with it as some of these are actually interresting and funny, so can others (forget that bad day awhile back )

and you're sure to unmute her again and reply to her thread.

I'm not geting this, sounds like a Forum Soap Opera unfolding, Jig, I would think maybe you just need to take some time off of the Forums, sounds like your too involved

Ditto that Alicia.

Some of your stuff of late Jig, seemed insane, but no-one forced me to read it! The bottom line with an open forum is if you don't like what you read, click on search and go elsewhere!

(Post no.2 was hardly the most constructive post written, but as it's an individuals opinion it has a right to be here as much as any other - that's MY opinion!)

You are so right. I just like to bitch and complain.

Jig,

There's nothing wrong with your curiosity or your questions. It's just that this forum isn't, er, the right forum for them.

Granted, it's the closest thing that this website has to a General Discussion forum, but that was never its intent. Because it's the "closest thing", a lot of General Discussion does tend to wind up here. And that's OK, up to a point (IMO). There comes a time, though, when even the most random of us cries "enough already!"

At the same time, I think everyone is entitled to their freedom of expression, and I for one enjoy seeing a variety of personalities and topics here. Could we maybe reach a compromise? Limit yourself to one philosophical question per day. If you just have to post more than that, take them to one of the third party general discussion sites.

im sorry but i really dont care enough about the OP to read that. sorry just not important to me.

I think you've provoked some lively discussions and I've not always agreed with you but as long as the whole thing doesn't get overbearing or too intense I'm happy to see more posts by you - choose the questions carefully and no flooding and I'm OK about it!

I punched through 12 503's to read it and another 6 to post this. You are right, it isn't worth it. It's the equivalent to the Monks setting themselves on fire back in VietNam.

The OP is very intelligent and inquistive person, no doubt. A lot of us flaunt the rules here, I'll sit in the front row on that. But most of us realize it and admit it. She seems to think they are to be ignored because she has some high purpose here. This arrogance is reflected in her assumptions as to WHAT questions LL wants asked here, just as in her constant dictating of what SL is supposed to be and judging of those with differernt approaches.

She should take herself over to SLU. In all sincerity, her questions would spark some interesting debates there. But something tells me she wouldn't be able to take the heat. For someone who pats herself on the back on how annoying, outspoken and inquisitive she is, her several "I'm taking my ball and going home" rants show that perhaps she enjoys dishing it out more than taking it.

I can't believe I actually took this much time to write this. I feel really crappy today, it's Super Bowl Sunday and I will most likely spend it taking NyQuil.Let's see how many attempts it takes to post this.

Jig,

The issue of the content of your threads is one issue which could be considered a grey area, and I'm sure there will be a spread of opinions, which if the responses are anything to go by, may well put yours in the minority. I don't think you help yourself in coming across as a bit hypocrtical, as you seem to flip between being highly judgemental and then mocking those who judge you. Thin skins and strong opinions don't go together in a forum. If you are going to post strong judgemental opinions on things/people then you should expect, and be able to cope with, strong replies.

Also, it's not about doing wrong, as you put it; it's a question of ettiquette. No matter the content of your threads, flooding the boards with one's musings is generally considered as poor ettiquette and rude within any forum. A little restraint needs to be exercised. This is the main reason I came close to putting you on ignore.

I hope you will take this post as constructive criticism, or musings of my own, and not as an attack. If I were you, I would take some time out away from the forums and take a breather.

I don't get it.
If I see a post by someone whose opinions I don't value or a subject that doesn't interest me, I DON'T READ IT.
Is that inch of space used for the thread title so valuable that you feel it's wasted space on your monitor?

Right now there is a thread called "Automatic Land Mapping ?" Could not care less about land mapping, so I don't read it. Simple as that. No one cares if I read it or not and the thread is probably more useful for not having my comments added to it.

Wayyy too much drama.
And why isn't there a separate forum for "discussions", anyway?

There was one but it was closed, for this very reason. It got a little contentious by some accounts and people who can't stand a little heat whined and LL closed it.

Because they often turn into forums for "arguments" and mommy LL doesn't like listening to the kids arguing. She has an headache.

The Lindens, in their infinite wisdom, choose to close the general discussion forum. So, obviously they do NOT believe that there is a need for that type of post here, on their site.

Resident Answers is here for a specific purpose... for residents to ask each other for help specific to Second Life and for other residents to provide that help the best we can.

Since the Lindens have also chosen not to provide any sort of moderation since Strife stepped down, one can only assume that they are just giving us enough rope to hang ourselves and give them an excuse to close this forum as well.

While I applaud Jig's curiosity and thirst for knowledge, her posts are not appropriate to the stated purpose of this forum.

I, too, wish there was a general discussion forum and that there was active moderation available here. But, there is not. So be it.

All we can do is attempt to follow the forum guidelines the best we can and use this forum for its intended purpose. It would be a shame to lose this resource as well.

Just my L$2.

I honestly don't mind a decent philosophical thread now and then. But when "do you dream," which has already been asked 10,000 times, pops up in addition to "have you ever had an argument?" and there are 3 or 4 Jig threads on the front page, the whole thing just starts to sound like a forum version of Tourette syndrome.

I agree with someone else here who said that Jig doesn't seem to have a problem criticizing people (heheing hubbies) but that when she gets shouted down on her own actions, she starts these "you all are so MEAN" threads and runs away crying.

Like I said, I honestly don't mind a decent philosophical thread NOW and THEN (once a week?) but not 3 or 4 a day. RA is not the Jig Show.

It would actually be great to see LL close the forum. We can all then go elsewhere where LL aren't around to tell us what we can and can't talk about. Many people post here because many people post here.

A forum is a forum. Doesn't really matter to me who runs the show.

why wait till they shut it down

anyone can go anywhere else they want

I come here because I do find some of the threads helpful and entertaining

yet never understood why ppl would post to a thread just to say they did not read the OP

*maybe I need to go back to sleep*

anywho I have no problem with jig posting, if I do not want to read it I just don't

simple enough

I'm not one to normally complain; hell, I don't even post much. I really do enjoy a lot of your threads, but the past few days have just seemed like overkill, with multiple general postings each day.

Besides, if you really want us to think deeply about some of these topics, you would be better off only tossing a new one out every other day or so.

If you want to go away Jig, fine, as others have said I think you'd have a fine time over on SLUniverse.

And I agree with others who have said that if you started one ... only one ... of your general discussion threads per day, it would be within what this product support forum could cope with. More than that become too defocusing, and it becomes hard to find the threads that are seeking help.

The point you never seem to want to acknowledge is that this IS a product support, not a social discussion, forum ... I don't know if you just have never read the sticky for Resident Answers, god knows exerpts from it have been posted enough.

Best luck hon.
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(I meant what I said a while back about retiring forever from cat-herding; anything I say here is intended to be descriptive, not prescriptive.)

Anything interesting ends up being an issue of judgment, with gray areas. Some would have this forum be purely product support. I for one would never bother to post here if that were the case; as much as I want to help people enjoy their SecondLife, I don't aspire to an unpaid product support role. And I think strictly enforcing such a rule would be squandering a really good thing here: I don't want to be forbidden access to Des's occasional flights of fancy, for example, just so we can play Joe Friday: "Just the facts, ma'am." That's just not for me.

But I do think there's some range of workable proportions in this recipe, beyond which the cake just won't rise. Sometimes it's hard to find a real resident question to answer--not because they've all been pushed down to page 2, but because (I think), some residents with questions see what's on page 1 and decide this is all just for speculative whimsy. God knows where they take their questions then, but if I'm right about this, we're not doing them any service, and we're depriving ourselves of the privilege of helping. (And it *is* a privilege.)

So, Jig, your partner may be right: if it's really the case that you need a forum that's exclusively about these more expansive, exploratory social topics, perhaps somewhere else would be more appropriate. (Sorry, but I can't really echo other suggestions of SLU; as much as I like some of the posters there, I couldn't recommend that snarkfest to my worst enemy.) But if you were to post mostly elsewhere, I still think this forum would be better with, say, a weekly "Best of Jig" thread than to be totally Jig-deprived.

And, again just describing what I see, good or bad: Some posters are nervous about this forum's future; some are concerned that the forum isn't how they'd like it to be--some even to the point where if the forums can't change, then good riddance. Some think the current level of Moderation is intentional: let a hundred flowers bloom; some think this is a sign of impending disaster one way or another. Some see a clique under every rock; some deny that even informal spheres of agreement form about such topics.

And everybody is f<503>ing sick and tired of the state of the forums software, performance, and connectivity. If folks get a little testy, it's hardly a surprise.

Quantity aside, the tone of some of them was just too judgementally arrogant. You can't elicit genuine opinions from people when you are mocking some of them by your very question. She took issue with any educators or journalists who disagreed with her, but any educator who uses that method is one who should be doing something else with their life, and we have plenty of so called journalists who emply this style of confrontational questioning. As someone who claims to be some sort of Media professional, she should know that sometimes it's not what you say but how yo say it. And don't say it if you aren't prepared for the response.

The irony is that people still read and amazingly still post a reply. Oh craps - done it again....

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