The official 'grid is borked' thread..

There are not such spots, Rha.

This is difficult to prove, although I have sympathy for the viewpoint. I mean there are no such spots, and it's hard to see what pushes the world over the edge but all bots cause some load, so they do have some impact. The question is, how many more active people would get in if all bots were kicked off?

I'd wager it would be far from a 1 to 1 ratio.

Bite your tongue, Ciaran! At least whisper such things so my bots don't hear them and go into a panic. Poor little things.

Shouldn't they be asleep at this time of night?

They follow the bots code of practise - "A good bot never sleeps." They learned that in bot school.

I really doubt that the minimum load a bot puts on a specific sim (ie, server) and even less load on the infrastructure (network) could be considered equal to a person. In fact, I suspect it's a rather small fraction of the load. Just saying.

as far as Im concerned any load is to much, however LL doesnt care because SL is about numbers only.

if you and the many others did not have bots on the grid, then those spaces would be empty as it were, thus making the amount of ppl logged in a lot less, therefor not causing a lock out that keeps paying customers out....

so yes, in my opinion there are "spots" as it were...

I have a feeling it would be a 1 to 1 ratio

however since none of us know what exact formula LL uses to determine when to shut down logins, it is anyone's guess

I am going on the assumption that they hit a specific number of logins and shut off logins for a specific amount of time...

so in my uneducated guess, if bots were removed from the grid, then that many live people could log in... before it is shut down

but since bot runners and LL will do nothing about it, we will never know

(and for the record, this is the only time bots annoy me, because in my opinion, IF the bots were not there, then we (those locked out) could get in...

*shrug*

as I said we will never know, unless LL does something about bots and bot runners

and since SL is running like crap for me today, I am off to play some warhammer...

I don't like traffic bots. Never have and can't see that I ever will. People who use them are cheats and liars. Phil is on my ignore list because he's a complete twit.

But I still don't think it's anywhere near 1:1, unless you're talking about 'live' avatars that have basically 0 inventory, do not move, chat, TP, spend money or belong to many groups.

If it wasn't bots it would be real people and the grid would still be capped and people would still complain. Removing bots is not even a bandaide on the real problem.

I am saying that IF... and that is a big IF... the cut off is a number of avatars logged in... THEN it would be 1 to 1

but since none of us know, either way could be right... or wrong...

only the programmers know for sure how they have it set up

for all we know, there might be a linden that says... ok time to shut out ppl for a little while, for any or no reason....

Is anyone else still having trouble logging on? I've not been successful at all today, since trying this afternoon.

There are no "spaces" to be empty or filled, Rha.

Not even in the same ballpark.

Nope.

Nope.

aaw Is that why I didn't get a Christmas card from you? And there was me thinking what a rotten postal service we have.

not gonna argue with you phil, as it is both just based on opinions as neither of us have any way of knowing for sure how it works when they decide to lock out users

apparently you do not quite get what I am trying to say, or you are arguing it for the sake of arguing because you are a bot runner and feel the need to defend that...

either way not gonna banter it back and forth, I made my comments, and my points as best I can... nothing more to say...

There used to be such a fee, way back when. I paid that one-time fee when I created my alt.

No, no, no! That defeats the whole purpose of having so many online to pitch to corporate business on the usefulness of the platform. LL would never allow that to happen.

Yeah, it was 9.99 USD to create any account and then became free for the first account and all other accounts were 9.99 USD for creation. Then they phased that completely out.

Honestly, it was the fee that kept the growth stable, controlled and well within LL's abilities to manage. But, somehow, things were worse for stability back then. We'd get a weekly Wednesday downtime for the -whole- grid and then two days of instability after that that required the -whole- grid to be brought down for repairing. Then they'd have to shut down the -whole- grid to clean up after self-replicating griefer attacks during the weekends.

They are a bit better now, in that they don't always have to kick -everyone- off the grid to fix it AND they don't have to have a weekly downtime to do updating/maint. This is not to say it's all roses and sunshine, but at least they don't have to take the grid completely down anymore.

That said... I haven't been able to work in SL, because the times I've been home RL side, the grid is fubar'd. Yeah....