512 m2 Lot: Can it Handle?

I've never tried premium account yet, but now I'm interested in upgrading, for that free 512 land, but it seems somewhat too good to be true, or theres a catch involved... So, I'd like to know if it can even manage a store/house besides prim count.

Here are some questions:

-Is there a max number of avatars that can be on the land at once? I sometimes see Region is Full on some sims, but how many for a 512m2 land?

-How many avatars will it take for it to lag?

-Any other things I should know that may not work in the 512m2 land?

Thanks!

Hi Kathleen & welcome to the forums

Firstly, your first 512 land is not 'free'. You have to pay for it. There is no 'tier' (lease payment) for the first 512 which you offset against the cost of being a premium account holder. This assumes of course that your 512 is on mainland - private estates will charge you for the 512 whether you are premium or not.

There is no specific limit on the number of avatars on a plot - the region's performance is calculated for the region as a whole. This is why being in the same region as a busy club can cause problems.

As for any other problems - that very much depends on what it is you plan to do with the land. We'd need more details I think. Bear in mind you'll only have 117 prims to play with, so a low prim build is pretty essential if you want to decorate it in any fashion.

Inc

Essentially, one 16sqm plot of land (a single square, the smallest amount) can utilize 100% of the scripting, avatar, and other resources of the entire simulator server at the expense of the rest of the land in the simulator. Hence why the only way that you can ensure that you are getting fair use of the simulator is to own the entire thing (i.e. a private island).

If memory serves, a 512 sqm lot will hold 117 prims. That's not many prims.

There's currently no limit on avatars per parcel.

A 512 sqm parcel is small.

You might want to go to some stores and see how big they are.

You could go to a sandbox and set out some prims in a square to make 512 sq. meters, then see how big it seems to you.

I have my home on a 512 sqm parcel. You have to watch your prims carefully. It's fine for a small home if you don't want to get fancy.

Thanks for the replies! I was thinking about using it for a small little store or photography studio. And I do know about purchasing for the land first, forgot to mention! So I guess it will be ok if the region doesn't hold a busy club and such right?

Right!

Go for twice that size to begin with. I gave my partner Hal a 1024 sq m. plot on a cliff face which I then used as MY office in sl. Its NOT huge but its neat and has advantages over larger pieces.

And buy in Zindra - adult only. Dont bother with PGs unless you are a muppet or Goldilocks.

I'm not a muppet or goldilocks and I like my mature land just fine.

Hi Kathleen. I did sort of what you might be wanting to, and it has worked out well. I went premium and bought a tier-free 512. This was over 18 months ago. On this I lived at ground level in an open garden (no house, just some pretty garden), and I began a shop at about 250m up. The shop was on a 2 megaprim base, with 4 prims for open display walls, and it looked pretty good for what it was.

I have extended since, and bought more mainland bits, to help with the prim budget. The shop grew, and has allowed me to add a nice home, but all of that happened as business grew to pay for it.

What really makes living on a 512 lovely is to find friends doing the same, and to live together as neighbours. This means that ground level can be joined up to give everyone the benefit of more land than each individually pays for. Otherwise, a 512 on its own can feel a bit cramped, visually, but I guess that depends what is directly around it.

Best of luck

I have a 512-size prim if you want it. I can send it to you. You can rez it in a sandbox to see how big a 512 lot is. Or, you can just do a land search and go to a 512 lot for sale in SL.

My advice is to get a low prim skybox and use the ground level for greeneries. Maybe a park bench.

Hi, Kathleen!

I became a Premium resident about a year ago and purchased my first 512, planning to put a store on it. Then other land on the sim adjacent to that was for sale and before I knew it, I had acquired approximately 5600 sqm or so of land. (It becomes addictive.)

But, I had some major RL issues so didn't follow through with beginning my store on all that land where I also had my home. I loved all the spare prims I had but I finally had to tier down to save the monthly tier costs.

Since then I've repurchased land, sold it, rinse and repeat several times.

I now own my tier-free 512. I have yet to decide quite how I want to use it, but at least it's a place to call "home."

As far as the 117 prim limit on a 512, it takes some thought to furnish a home with that limit; but there are so many nice, low prim furnishings in SL now that with a little investigation and shopping, it can be done nicely, including the home.

(ETA: And if you have any interest in learning how to build, there are many classes available that teach how to make usually low prim items, from the beginning level on up. Not assuming you *don't* know how to build, however.)

Awhile back there was a topic thread that was titled something like "What Can You Do With a 512?" I tried to find it to post the link; perhaps someone else who knows where archived threads may be can dig it up.

It was a great thread and would give many ideas to you on how to use a 512. Over time, I've learned to make good use of a 512...with prims left over.

Good luck and have fun!!!

That's cuz your on Mature land - PG land is wott I said. That's wot can be prolematic.

On the other hand, if your products are non-Adult, then you'd be cutting yourself off from all the "muppets and Goldilocks" customers.
Over Private islands and Mainland, I seem to remember that Adult accounts for not more than about 10% of land area.
I don't know what the equivalent percentage for Payment_Info/Adult_verified might be compared to total active accounts.

I have a parcel of about 5k in Zindra. The largest chunk of land is in a PG sim, with small parcels in Mature sims.


As for a 512 parcel, I managed very well on my First Land 512 for quite a while. I just built low-prim - which does not necessarily mean boxy.

This was my skybox (me standing on the roof). 12 prims. Just fitting inside a 512.

A tiny tweak to this: As is clear from other posts, a 512 only gets 117 prims. To the extent that prims are a proxy for server resources, those resources are divided according to parcel size. The problem, as Hank points out, is that prims make a lousy proxy for server resources, and LL is starting to take some steps to allocate other resources according to parcel size. Right now, in addition to prims, the number of URLs that http-in scripts can support is limited by parcel size. That's pretty esoteric, but in future (probably late next year) the amount of memory that scripts can use will also be limited by parcel size.

(Even more esoteric detail: in addition to parcels, avatars will also get an allotment of script memory for their attachments, much as they currently are alloted http-in URLs.)

In the OP's case, script memory is not a big deal for the intended uses; if anything, memory limits would be a benefit, controlling the amount consumed by other parcels with more memory-hungry applications.

You just replied to yourself.

Some of us like PG land, because it's clearly meant for non adult purposes. It tends to dissuade nudists for example, because they can be instantly ARed there.

For certain types of places, PG land is good.

I own a 512 parcel on Mature land. It's my home, store, picture studio, and personal skinnydipping pond. I'm normally right at the prim limit with all the picture boards I hang around my home, but, I like it that way. (^_^)

I've had numerous times where I've wanted to expand. But, I find I'm having plenty of fun with the space I occupy now. (^_^)y

Immy, is your's the "Teapot" house? I visited that once and LOVED it and was amazed at your building skill to utilize a 512 like that. Especially how to have an underground home. (I imagine that has something to do with the ability to lower land; not sure if it is the same on water land. I have always wanted "something" underwater where I live, but can never quite figure out what...lol.)

I owned a 512 for a long time and was very happy with it. It actually got me into building because my freebie house had some obscene number of prims, like 65 or something, and I was forced to take it apart and pare it down.

A 512 is fine for a little shop - unless you're making something like high-prim motorcycles or whatever.

The teapot is my neighbor. My house is underneath the cookie jar just due east of it. (^_^)

Since nobody liked the stone-land of the area, much of it was built on prim-ground about 30 meters up. I did the same and use the space below as my home. (^_^)y

I found the former post on ways to use a 512 parcel that I was thinking of:

/327/69/254601/1.html

That's because mature land is for mature people

I make a 3 story 32 prim skybox designed for use on a 512 plot (my own shop uses this skybox as well, so the right side pic of my sig is the skybox).

The standard 512 plot is 16x32m

4 'squares' one was, and 8 the other.

You can put quite a lot on there if you figure out how to manage your prim count.

I got by fine on just 512m of land for quite some time, and only expanded as land next to me opened up and I got the itch to grab up more. For a while I had a home, shop, cafe, and garden all on a single 512 plot.
- Now they're a bit more spread out.


I prefer skybox living for the lower lag. I tend to search for a height at which there are few other builds that I can see with my camera. That usually means above 1500m - often above 3000 or 4000.

You can lose a couple frames per second just by going down to empty ground - and even more if there are neighbors.

I think it might still have been your house I was in. I was looking at the glasses you sell...errr, you do sell glasses right? *grins* For some reason "teapot" just entered my mind. Either way it was adorable.

Ahhh...hadn't thought of using prims to raise the "land" up a bit. Great idea!

Wow!!! I would have LOVED to have seen how you had your home, shop, cafe and garden arranged on a 512. That is awesome and beats The Elbow Room (if it's still around) that was a dance club on a 512.

I love living in the air for the same reasons and I do the same thing in scoping out an area where there are no other builds I can see.

I'll have to check out the sky box shop you sell. I'd been looking around for one lately but I either didn't like the build's structure or it was too many prims.