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Invisible for scanners?

Derevaun Debevec
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Join date: 11 Feb 2007
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11-27-2007 08:48
Strange, I don't know anyone who uses a scanner. Not that there aren't legitimate reasons to use one, I guess. Maybe it turns out that my strategy--being so hopelessly boring that only a self-defeatingly compulsive person would have cause to bother with thinking about me at all--is the only way to prevail.
Chas Connolly
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11-27-2007 08:54
From: 2k Suisei
You're right, it's not possible. Maybe Conan's glasses have a remote sensor in the contents folder. But really, I suspect he's just being an incredibly contrary (and yet lovable) ass. ;)


Well, I have the same sunglasses, and I'm afraid Conan is right. It is possible.
The Mysti-tool let's you run sim-wide scans. You simply change the range.
Force Prophesies will also scan well beyond a radius of 250m.
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Okiphia Rayna
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11-27-2007 09:03
Not sure why you'd really want to hide lol...


But hiding from scanners won't help at all, I personally always have my minimap up, and cam constraints off, and render about 1/2 a sim at once. I often cam around to see if there's anyone interesting if I'm bored.. usually just my own sim though, not wandering around stores and such....

If you find a way though, cool ^^
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Zepar Zhukovsky
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Join date: 24 Oct 2006
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11-27-2007 09:09
Ok, a few clarifications.

1. 96 meters is the normal max for a scan that does not use remote agents with the exception that AVs in vehicles are detected much further out.

2. 16 AVs can be returned in a scan but you can partition the scan up to small slices allowing you to detect all AVs within the limit.

3. There is something called a phase shield available on several combat systems including ProTEC that makes your AV invisible to scans. How it does this is a closely guarded secret (ok, I don't know how it works) but it separates your "agent" from your "Avatar" somehow and hides your agent 300 meters away out of range of most scans. Yet it looks like you are right there in front of the person doing the scan. More info here http://slexchange.com/modules.php?name=Marketplace&file=item&ItemID=41971

here is the text from the manual:

Phase - The phase shield, an aubreTEC original, is the third of the three "sit-shields." This one actually places you 300m or so below the shield and then relocates itself to counteract this difference. What this means is that you will show up right where you are standing, will be seen normally, and can chat normally with other avatars. However, since the client believes you to be 300m up, surrounding avatars will not be able to pick you up on scanners and will therefore find it very difficult to target you with scanner-based weapons, such as non-physical bullets and "combat systems" such as psiTEC and the many available clones of it.
Ceera Murakami
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Join date: 9 Sep 2005
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11-27-2007 10:51
I can confirm that Mysti-Tool's full-sim scan uses temp-rezzed remote probes. The parcels they fly over have to have Object Entry allowed, or they can't do a full scan. I've had probes go poof at parcel boundries (and reported as the probe failing because the parcel at a specific set of coordinates wouldn't allow object entry).

But all the scanners I have seen just give a name and a distance, and not a vector. So they will know you're there, but they won't know which green dot on the map is you, unless it is the only one close to the shown range.

Combat systems that displace the avatar don't make you completely immune to scanning. They just change where you are detected as being. So a local 96M scan won't see you if you're 'actually' 300 M under ground, or 300 M South, or whatever.
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Derbor Torok
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Join date: 21 Jun 2007
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11-27-2007 10:56
From: Angela Heideman
Nothing to hide, but sometimes you want to be alone for a while.
Especialy when you are shopping:)


If I remember the thread correctly I thought it was 'building' and in Chris' case 'baking'...

:p

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Kalel Venkman
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Join date: 10 Mar 2006
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11-27-2007 11:21
One of the main advantages to being invisible to sensors is that most weapons require sensor lock-on in order to work.

The Lindens are able to vanish from sensors because the underlying system is built to allow them to be sensor-invisible when they need to be, and this is not a mechanism accessible to normal users in any way.

The shields which make you invisible to sensors do this by exploiting a bug: if you are sitting on a vehicle or other object, sensors report your position as being at the center of the root prim of the object you're sitting on, not your actual location.

This makes you invulnerable to nearly all forms of attack except those designed to lag you to the point where you must log off to clear the condition, or those designed to crash the sim you currently inhabit.

This has been reported as a bug in JIRA, and the Lindens plan to fix this at some point, though they have not specified an exact time table for this one bug.
Ike Fairweather
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11-27-2007 12:18
From: Sally Silvera
Hi Angela,

If you are talking about scanners such as built into the Mystitool, their normal scan range is 96 m. I don't think you can make yourself "invisible" for those.
If you keep your minimap up you don't even need a scanner to see whether there's anyone in the same sim, although this would not allow you to see who those people are of course.
In short, my guess would be invisibility is not going to happen.

All the same, happy shopping :)


Actually you can. I've seen someone do it. We were on a friend's sim and I was testing out a shield I had. He somehow made himself invisible to radar.
Ike Fairweather
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11-27-2007 12:20
From: Hiro Queso
Is that one scripted object, or a network of scripted objects?
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One scripted object that cost $350L. It does local and sim scan.
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