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Okiphia Rayna
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11-21-2007 12:54
From: Colette Meiji
How would even the most gorgeous prefab fix the problem hugsy was demonstrating .. the fact that all the pretty .. ENDS .. at the horizon.

Dont look at the sky box look at where the sky meets the horizon.


OK that? Well sorry thought the skybox looking bad was the problem...

Well.. I don't have that problem at all, I see beautiful water from the horizon to land, always, all the way up toa s high as I've gone (Around 2000m)
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CodeZero Bulloch
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11-21-2007 12:54
From: Lexxi Gynoid
It still looks like that in the new Windlight. I purposely didn't take any pictures that would show it, though.

Look at more than the skybox - look at what is below the "horizon line" Still that way from the bottom of the Skybox down to the ground. At least that is what I see when I use Windlight.


You shuld take pics its amazing about how life like the water can be but the sky is weird as hell...
Okiphia Rayna
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11-21-2007 12:58
From: Colette Meiji
How would even the most gorgeous prefab fix the problem hugsy was demonstrating .. the fact that all the pretty .. ENDS .. at the horizon.

Dont look at the sky box look at where the sky meets the horizon.

Here's the highest alt shot Ive got on my PC, but this is how the horizon looks to me at all altitudes



EDIT:: And the gray on the edges in this shot is simply me messing around with the sky and water, not it rendering wrong. Normally from edge to edge the horizon is beautiful

EDIT AGAIN!!!:::

To get rid of any gray on the horizon, and make it just the water, you have to mess with the haze settings is all. There is a haze normally that causes the world to kinda 'fade out' as it goes. If you change that, and change the distance multiplier and whatnot, you won't get that.

The haze is realistic however, as unless you have a totally clear sky you aren't going to see pure blue water right up to the horizon in real life. If there is any fog at all... it will kinda go bleh
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Ceera Murakami
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11-21-2007 12:59
From: Okiphia Rayna
So..the problem is just better graphics in general in this case?

I don't see why that would be a problem honestly, seems like it would be easier to make skins since you don't have to do some heavy shading. Also... this should have been seen beforehand, considering that if we *ever* got better lighting, tis would be a problem...
The problem is that the implementation makes obsolete products that a lot of people paid good money for. You apparently have a great computer and video card system that can run Windlight just fine, and your merchandise hasn't been adversely affected. So for you, it's no big deal. For a lot of other people, the results are far worse.

Take a Real World example. HDTV and digital broadcasting. Great new technology, right? Great graphics, a stunning improvement... Also hideously expensive when first introduced, and completely incompatible with existing TV sets when first introduced.

But your existing TV will have to be replaced if you ever want to see the new HDTV programming. And eventually they do away with analog broadcasting, and your old TV set stops functioning entirely. You will then have to scrap your old TV and buy an expensive new one.

Try to make that change overnight, and there will be hell to pay in the consumer marketplace. That is one big reason why HDTV and digital broadcasting is being phased in over a period of several years. It gives those with older hardware some time to replace their TV's with newer models, and gives the industry time to improve manufacturing efficiencies and bring down the initial high cost of the TV's. In a few more years, most of the old sets will have been replaced, and it will be no big deal.

If they drop Windlight on us too fast, a lot of existing content that people paid good money for will be worthless, and will have to be replaced. A lot of people will find they need to replace their video cards, or replace their entire computer, just to keep using SL at the current level, let alone to enjoy the new features.

So far, they seem to be taking a responsible approach. They are listening to customer feedback, fixing a lot of bugs that customers see in the First Look versions, and they have been trying to make it 'degrade gracefully', so that it SL will still be usable even if you don't have a top-of-the-line gaming rig with a killer video card.

But in general, the majority of SL users will lose out until they upgrade their systems and replace their incompatible in-world content.
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Lexxi Gynoid
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11-21-2007 13:01
From: CodeZero Bulloch
You shuld take pics its amazing about how life like the water can be but the sky is weird as hell...

Oh, I have lots of pictures, I just didn't take any that showed the problem. On purpose.
This picture here is taken in a skybox, but I purposely framed it to mostly block the "below the horizon" grey zone of death area:


Oh, and even in Ultra, I just can't get water to work.



Though I've found that "created" water (non-Linden) does look better on my screen.
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Marianne McCann
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11-21-2007 13:44
From: CodeZero Bulloch
youve got a perception prob


Thanks for your judgement. ;-)

From: Hugsy Penguin
I certainly haven't looked at all the images. The ones I've seen, though, were all at ground level and did look good to me. Others complain about shadows/shading it creates.


I've not see the "gap" the previous incarnation of First Look Windlight had in this version.

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Hugsy Penguin
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11-21-2007 14:11
From: Okiphia Rayna
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You're screenshot does look good. Perhaps I need to get a better graphics card and play with the settings.

There is one other problem. Maybe someone already mentioned it, but windlight removes the floating clouds. So you lose the ability to have skybox sitting right on top of the cloud level and other fun playing with the clouds (flying through, freefalling through, foggy skybox interior, ...).

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Okiphia Rayna
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11-21-2007 14:28
From: Hugsy Penguin
You're screenshot does look good. Perhaps I need to get a better graphics card and play with the settings.

There is one other problem. Maybe someone already mentioned it, but windlight removes the floating clouds. So you lose the ability to have skybox sitting right on top of the cloud level and other fun playing with the clouds (flying through, freefalling through, foggy skybox interior, ...).

--Hugsy


There is an option to 'draw classic clouds' which might bring those back.. iono what it does lol

But for foggy interior.. just use particles ^^
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Alicia Sautereau
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11-21-2007 14:31
i`m more curious as why the servers are getting a code update for the new client WHILE they haven`t been working for almost a week for the current client
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11-21-2007 14:38
From: Hugsy Penguin
There is one other problem. Maybe someone already mentioned it, but windlight removes the floating clouds. So you lose the ability to have skybox sitting right on top of the cloud level and other fun playing with the clouds (flying through, freefalling through, foggy skybox interior, ...).


They are in the current incarnation of windlight, by popular request.

Mari
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Hugsy Penguin
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11-24-2007 00:19
Ok, I'll "revise" my opinion of Windlight, lol. I went back and looked at it with the latest viewer and see they've certainly made improvements since I last looked at it. Even with the Atmospheric Shaders turned off, it looks better than the old client. They've done a good job of blending into and changing below the horizon line. It looks pretty good to me. I still need a better video card, though. The photos here had to be staged (i.e., setup shot with it off, turn it on, take pic).

Cabin, no Windlight:



Same cabin, with Windlight:



2000 meters, no Windlight:



2000 meters, Windlight:



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