we gotta get rid of P N!!!!

What's worse is they are not all kids!

They are terrible, terrible scripters by the way.

W-Hat were much better.

Can't their IPs be tracked and reported to the authorities or atleast allow them to be taken to court to pay some sort of token restitution?

Does anyone honestly believe that if there was a "ban by group" option these people wouldn't just go make a new group?

Ijust watched there PR video on youtube, also..and the one where they griefed a concert, that was really sickening..you know..i think im gonna make a group called Patriotic Crackers and our goal is to shut down these A holes..even tho i have no clue how to do it..smirks..

Do not, I repeat DO NOT sink to their level! Doing so will result in them ARing you and you don't want that on your record.

We just have to think of some creative legal ways to fend them off.

Last I heard from these people they were hash/hardware banned from SL. They are notorious for using abandoned land for bases of operation and using freebie weapons. (such as the sperm gun) I would just fill out an abuse report or maybe a support ticket. If you copy paste whatever the offender said (make sure to tell them the group they are claiming to be associated with), and I'm sure they will be hardware banned from SL. Being famous for interrupting an online service is not the brightest thing to do.

Well, from what I've seen on the Beta Grid, and if it works as well as it was, the "rez tons of prims to crash the sim" trick wont be as easy to pull off with Havok 4.

I think by the time a griefer tried rezzing over 800+ Physics enabled cubes on a club, the others will have had plenty of time to AR & Ban the person.

The problem is that there is a hacked version of the SL client floating around that lies about the hardware hash, so hardware banning won't work. LL really should have thought of that before they open sourced the client

Not true, I can build an amount of any item above 1000 in minutes, seconds if the basis is in my inventory already

EDIT:; especially with max number of linked available at, what, 255? It would not be hard to fill a full -size empty sim in minutes

Well, what confuses me, is i found the box it was coming from, but was unable to delete it..it didnt even have a creator,nothing..i couldnt return it, either..hmmm..i dont own the sim, so wasnt able to do that..and no creator, no owner, was unable to get a name, so couldnt ban, either...god i was miffed!

some objectss, I've noticed, dont stay selected. If you right click and hold though while the edit window is open their properties will show. This may be the case here

It's the easiest thing in the world to use client programs to logon anonymously, or to change your IP. Unfortunatley, they would likely have thought of this.

umm nope. grown men in their 30s, 40s and dare i say 50s. who says with age comes wisdom?

The more offended you are, the more forum posts you make on the topic, the more noise you make, the more they love it. This thread is the first time I have seen the PN's mentioned here and hence it's more publicity and more notoriety, which increases their value in the strange barter-driven world of the site hacker and griefer. If you make any service harder to get into, you merely increase the value of the ability to get into it - some friends of mine cheered when their pay-site payment processing announced it would automatically reject any non-Western Europe or U.S. domiciled Credit Card entries - then realied with horror that their level of hack attack from the countries they had just banned was going to go through the roof.

And it did.

Those who worry about Bad Words should think through what happens when they complain about them: in effect, you are holding up a big sign that says "hello nasty man! you can have a strong effect on me by using these words!" - not a good strategy for a quiet life.

Barring or hunting down or hardware hashing the PN's simply won't work. Most likely, the shortest route to stopping a PN attack is to instantly bimboize, and respond with "that's really l33t dude, how can I get that? How does it work? Is it free? Can I have a copy? Oh cool does this mean I can be in your group? I wanna! I wanna!"

Exactly.... Just annoy them to death... Hehehe, you can't be AR'd for it.

No, I know something about these guys. The oldest of them is 20, the youngest about 15. N3X15, the ringleader, is not as old as the oldest of them.

And regarding the comment about giving them what they want by posting in the SL forums, you can relax - since they're all using illegal accounts in the first place, none of them can read these comments. It's safe to say what you please about them here, so long as we don't violate the posting rules or the Terms of Service in doing so.

They CAN be removed - eventually. And a significant number of them live in the United States and are subject to our laws, specifically the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act of 1986 and the Digital Millenium Copyright Act. One of these makes it a crime to intentionally break encryption designed to prevent you from accessing media or content, and the other makes it a crime to access a computer with the intent to disrupt a commercial online service.

The PN raiders are significantly smaller a group than they once were. At one time they could muster two dozen raiders online at one time. Now they rarely manage more than a sixth that number, but their weapons are significantly more effective than they were. They've had a lot of time to perfect their sim-crashing techniques, so far fewer PN can have a much stronger affect on the grid that previously.

Just ignoring them is not going to make them go away. They will not stop unless they're made to stop, and an example made of them. The example need not even be publicized. Once word gets out that one or more of the important ones actually wind up having ruined their lives by their participation in this, they'll disperse.

In particular, the only reason they're in SL at all is because of that hacked client they're using. Yes, the client is open source and anyone can make another client that evades hardware bans - but if the "Chan" image boards get wind of the fact that the first guy who tried it wound up in a federal penitentiary, I'm guessing we probably wouldn't be seeing many more attempts.

I wouldn't worry about them ARing you, either, by the way. In order to file an AR, the client transmits information on your current IP address and your hardware hash, so one of the first things N3X15 did when creating his "ShoopedLife" client was to completely remove that menu option so as to not tempt the PN raiders into using it and exposing themselves to being hardware banned.

Also, these guys have a positively gerbylistic attention span (if that's a word, and if it's not, it should be). They're much more interested in having competitions amongst themselves on how many minutes they can retain a griefer account than actually attempting to use the abuse report system.

There isn't a single actual person of color in their group, by the way. They're almost all the offspring of upper middle class Caucasians.

And an interesting fact is that while they relentlessly persecute furries in particular, and gays, many of them are also furries, and gay.

So it's an orgy of self-loathing and denial, and about once a month, another one is outed, and they turn on their own former members and torment them. They are a really messed up bunch of kids.

well im glad to see someone who agrees that ignoring them wont make them go away..this is a form of terrorism..you cant just IGNORE it! also goes to show that animals will turn on each other..maybe they'll eat their young..

So, they are out of reach of LL thanks to the hacked client unless and until they get caught violating federal law, and in the meantime they are fair game for Residents to deal with in any way found effective. As pointed out above, outrage is what they want, so don't give them the"lulz." Sounds like contempt, ridicule, "outing," and, as someone generalized above, other pestering might be an effective way to go, however. I've found in a couple of cases (not PNs, however) following a griefer around (adequately shielded, of course) "earnestly" trying to talk to him about his irrationality and troubled mind has driven them up the wall. They first became obscenely abusive, then desperate, and finally couldn't get away fast enough. Which is the point, after all.

Oh, and AR them as often as you get the time to fill out and file one, which becomes less often as they get more frantic.

When SL forwards an IM to email, doesn't it have to track the source IP?

i.e. if you have IM to email forward and get one of them to IM you, won't that get a fix on their RL location?

The source mail transport agent in this is something.secondlife.com. The client IM source IP is not part of the mail transaction.

At least that's how it used to be, as my IM to e-mail no longer seems to work (and yes, I cleared cache, and reinstalled, and wrote my congressman, etc.).

OK, wait now, here's a stupid question, I guess. Does this hacked client mean that the person can enter SL without registering for SL (and thus putting in his e-mail address)?

coco

No. The hacked client just lies when asked about its hardware hash.

By the way, if this did come down to legal action, I believe ISPs are required to log who was assigned a given dynamic IP address at a given time.

i WISH i could have followed them around and annoyed them, but they were stealth, invisible, no name tags no NOTHING..and now i know how they did it watching their lil youtube escapade..they put on invisiprims, what really is bad tho..is there was no one to AR..and we cant AR a group..so i'd like to know what are we supposed to do!!!!!!! Is there any kind of security that can detect scripts or something, I know i have one for weapons..I cant turn scripts off, since I run a club, so that's not an option.