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Boy Lane
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12-08-2008 12:28
I never said they can access my RL data, I said my SL and RL data are associated. So are the activities. You can turn these peanuts here now up and down. But this doesn't change anyting I wrote in the first posting of this thread.
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Qie Niangao
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12-08-2008 14:18
From: Boy Lane
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@Yumi

It is against SL's TOS to list names in an external database. You may read that up.
It's pretty cool if that's the case (for a bunch of reasons), but I sure can't find enough to reach that conclusion in the ToS, Community Standards, nor Privacy statements. What am I missing?
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Meade Paravane
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12-08-2008 14:19
From: Boy Lane
It is against SL's TOS to list names in an external database. You may read that up.

Sorry, Boy - I'm pretty sure that any ToS/CS rules on things like that apply only to servers controlled by LL.
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Rhaorth Antonelli
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12-08-2008 14:21
From: Boy Lane
Ok, why don't you browse a few postings back? It was all said before:

No, they don't only store your name and UUID, they store a lot more of information. I don't really know how much, but at least someone who owns your soul, if you are active or not, how many other people you have bitten, their names and linked details, and if you don't want to be attacked again. It likely also includes your purchase statistics with the things you bought from them

As I wrote earlier, I'm registered with LL with my RL name. And that RL name is associated with my AV name. That goes further than SecondLife; which per definition is surely not a "computer game", rather a communication platform.

It is also clearly a violation of SecondLife's TOS.



so how do you know they are storing a lot more info than just name and uuid (which a lot of places have anyway, there is even a website where you can get the avatar's uuid, hell even LL lists your uuid when you do a search on someone)

soul??? avatars have a soul????
ok...

and all the rest is common info that ppl store when someone shops or participates with their system

if you wore a necklace or got bitten you were basically consenting to having that info "stored"
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Cito Karu
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12-08-2008 14:28
just AR all the spam and let LL sort it out :P
Ima Huckleberry
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12-08-2008 14:29
Um here's how i see it...
"Can I bite you?"
"No piss off" Then mute.

No muss, no fuss.
Talarus Luan
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12-08-2008 15:59
Mine's even better:

Wannabee Vampire: Can I bite you?
/me gives Wannabee an incredulous look.
Me: Can I rip you limb from limb, eviscerate you from crotch to chin, eat your heart out, all after giving you a good charbroiling for suggesting such a foolish thing to me?

Now, I could just obliterate them by turning into the radiation-emitting equivalent of a small star less than a couple meters in front of them, but it's just not the same amount of satisfaction as using the more "natural" equipment. :-/
Danielle Harrop
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12-08-2008 16:38
From: someone
they store a lot more of information. I don't really know how much,from them


I dunno what they know, but I know they know something...and they know I know they know sompin....mah gawd ppl cant you see? We need more tinfoil hats here......

How can you claim they store your personal information, then turn around and admit you don't know what information they store?

From: someone
It likely also includes your purchase statistics with the things you bought from them


Yeah, and I have a transaction history on this very second life webite that lists the name and amount every AV pays me in game.

did you know that you can search google, and there are pages that show your UUID? Available to anyone. Also, I searched Google for your name, and got this: http://svc.sl.net.marvulous.co.uk/resident/Boy%20Lane/


Your gettin' all jazzed up over nothing. And sadly, I don't think you're gonna get a mob with torches and pitchforks to follow you to the vampire castle.....
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Maya Remblai
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12-08-2008 17:54
From: Danielle Harrop

Yeah, and I have a transaction history on this very second life webite that lists the name and amount every AV pays me in game.


I got one better: I have a sale report emailed to me every time someone buys something from me, that tells me what they bought, how much they paid, what time it was, what sim they were in, their name, and their UUID. When I had a gift function running, it told me who was gifted with the product too. If I stopped storing that information, I wouldn't be able to give free updates to people or restore lost inventory anymore. "Sorry, I don't have a database anymore, so I can't tell if you really bought that or not. Pay up."

That said, I agree that the spampires are annoying (though I've never had a bite request...I guess they favor humans), and some aspects of the system do seem unfair to me, but so does Microsoft, and FedEx's human resources department. I do agree that if someone like Boy wants all their data removed from a database, they should have it, but I can't fault business owners for trying to do what they *think* is in the person's best interest. In the case of Bloodlines, if they remove your data, you'll get spam bite requests again. If they removed the data of every person that asked them to, many of those people would come back later complaining that they shouldn't be getting bite requests. I'm not saying you would do that, Boy, but a lot of people would, which I believe is why the garlic necklace option is offered first.

Note to self: Come up with "bite reply" system that allows self to spit venom in a spampire's face.
Boy Lane
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12-08-2008 19:30
@Maya

You miss one important point here. If I go to a store and buy something, I do this on my free will. I opt-in.

I never opted-in to the bloodlines system. I could not even remember when and where I was bitten as the blue popup was just recently adjusted. I was tricked into something, perhaps with a popup, disguised as an animation request like a simple hug. That's like most people are tricked into it.

Bloodlines refuse to remove ones name on request. Even worse they lie about it. I have written that all before. Instead I am forced to either wear some "garlic necklace" with scripts in it I don't know that add more data into a database I don't want to be in. Still my "soul" belongs to the zombies. And if I want that back...go figure...I have to buy that potion from them for several hundred lindens. Multiply taht by the number of SL users as almost everybody is affected by that pest today.

I am forced not only into something that can barely be called roleplay, I'm forced into a pyramid selling scheme, I am forced to use and buy some garbage I don't want from someone I don't know, and in the end my details, clearly more than a name and an UUID, are still stored in this multi-level marketing system, open to an unknown and uncontrollable usage. Not governed by any proper privacy policy.

One could call this rape.
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12-08-2008 20:10
From: Boy Lane
@Maya

You miss one important point here. If I go to a store and buy something, I do this on my free will. I opt-in.

I never opted-in to the bloodlines system. I could not even remember when and where I was bitten as the blue popup was just recently adjusted. I was tricked into something, perhaps with a popup, disguised as an animation request like a simple hug. That's like most people are tricked into it.

Bloodlines refuse to remove ones name on request. Even worse they lie about it. I have written that all before. Instead I am forced to either wear some "garlic necklace" with scripts in it I don't know that add more data into a database I don't want to be in. Still my "soul" belongs to the zombies. And if I want that back...go figure...I have to buy that potion from them for several hundred lindens. Multiply taht by the number of SL users as almost everybody is affected by that pest today.

I am forced not only into something that can barely be called roleplay, I'm forced into a pyramid selling scheme, I am forced to use and buy some garbage I don't want from someone I don't know, and in the end my details, clearly more than a name and an UUID, are still stored in this multi-level marketing system, open to an unknown and uncontrollable usage. Not governed by any proper privacy policy.

One could call this rape.


And this is what you don't get yet. You are not forced into anything, you don't have to wear garlic and your soul didn't go anywhere. You really need to differentiate between RL & SL. There is nobody making you do anything or pulling your strings like a puppet.

"Multiply taht by the number of SL users as almost everybody is affected by that pest today."

Well no. The vast majority of users are not affected by it. Most are like me, someone comes up and asks and I tell them to F*** Off and they never bother me again. You do not see a flood of people jumping into this thread crying about having to wear garlic around thier necks, that should give a clue. Bloodlines or anybody else is only a nuisance if YOU allow them to be.
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Talarus Luan
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12-08-2008 20:14
From: Boy Lane
I am forced not only into something that can barely be called roleplay, I'm forced into a pyramid selling scheme, I am forced to use and buy some garbage I don't want from someone I don't know, and in the end my details, clearly more than a name and an UUID, are still stored in this multi-level marketing system, open to an unknown and uncontrollable usage. Not governed by any proper privacy policy.

One could call this rape.


I don't think so. I think it is a rather warped perspective to even remotely compare some stupid pseudo-RP "game" in a voluntary-participation virtual world to a violent RL crime which leaves people's lives shattered. I don't see any evidence that you are under any kind of RL distress over something which doesn't even exist. If I am wrong, and you are being very badly psychologically impacted by this in RL, I hope you seek out some real, professional help soon, as that's a pretty serious situation. It doesn't mean you are crazy, or weak, or anything. It means that there is a serious problem that you really need to get help with, and soon, just as suredly if you started manifesting the symptoms of cancer.

You're not forced into anything. Some morons put your name in their pseudo-RP marketing scheme database. Big deal. If people are harassing you over it, AR them. Repeatedly.

Outside of that, who cares that they have your SL identity in a tiny little database somewhere? I don't. No one I know would. Why do you?

All you are doing here is actualizing the Streisand Effect, which only helps the Bloodlines people, by drawing attention to them which will ultimately increase their popularity, and likely their revenues as well.

My advice: Ignore them. Totally. If they try to assert their lousy existence to you in any significant way, AR the perpetrators to the Lindens until the Lindens are so sick of hearing from you that they ban them and their little "game".

AR people who try to involve you in their RP without your consent.

You don't need to pay one L$ for anything; ARs are free, and you can file as many of them as you want.
Ceka Cianci
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12-08-2008 21:34
the fact is you give up more information going to see if your name is on their bite list than you do if you are bitten..

you give your id code away to any sim you visit..it's nothing that will show your transaction history or anything at all..the number is used to interact with everything in sl..Ceka Cianci
number ****** just clicked me so now i must teleport Ceka Cianci number******** to this location..

or.Ceka Cianci number ******* just purchased this item from finklepert sim..

you give it away without permission everyday in every move you make in sl..
it's just part of your interaction..not something hidden that only you seen..
everyones is on google just like your profile is..because google is part of sl in the search..

the people that play bloodlines are irritating and they are fun to laugh at most of the time..
But you are taking it over the edge when you use a word like Rape to compare..
bloodline bite is like a pick pocket getting your pocket lint compared to rape..
Rape is a whole other level of violation..It is exactly like taking your RL soul and then some..
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12-08-2008 23:28
Before more hobby psychiatrists pop up here :)...why don't you simply read the very first post of this thread instead of posting pseudo knowledge and opinions here?

Everybody has a right of privacy, in RL as well as in SL. If that's not important for you, it's purely your thing. For me it is.

Enough said and written.
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Wulfric Chevalier
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12-08-2008 23:35
From: Boy Lane
@Maya

You miss one important point here. If I go to a store and buy something, I do this on my free will. I opt-in.

I never opted-in to the bloodlines system.

I could not even remember when and where I was bitten as the blue popup was just recently adjusted. I was tricked into something, perhaps with a popup, disguised as an animation request like a simple hug. That's like most people are tricked into it.


Yes you did, it may not have been an informed choice, but at some stage you clicked something and got added to the database. And if most people are tricked why are there so many complaints about vamps asking to bite? I have not been added to the database by the simple expedient of ignoring all requests. I don't say no, I don't abuse them, I just ignore them.

From: Boy Lane
Bloodlines refuse to remove ones name on request. Even worse they lie about it. I have written that all before. Instead I am forced to either wear some "garlic necklace" with scripts in it I don't know that add more data into a database I don't want to be in. Still my "soul" belongs to the zombies. And if I want that back...go figure...I have to buy that potion from them for several hundred lindens. Multiply taht by the number of SL users as almost everybody is affected by that pest today.

I am forced not only into something that can barely be called roleplay, I'm forced into a pyramid selling scheme, I am forced to use and buy some garbage I don't want from someone I don't know, and in the end my details, clearly more than a name and an UUID, are still stored in this multi-level marketing system, open to an unknown and uncontrollable usage. Not governed by any proper privacy policy.


You have still not explained how they get more than a name, a UUID and who bit you, when and where? The first you put into the public domain by posting here, the second it takes all of 30 seconds to find using in-world tools or various websites, the rest is of no interest to anyone outside the pointless RP.

From: Boy Lane
One could call this rape.


This statement says all anyone needs to know about you. Idiot.
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12-08-2008 23:44
I'm not "forced to wear" the garlic necklace. I wore it once, clicked it... got my name out of the "potential blood fountain" arena, took the necklace off and have enjoyed blissful PEACE ever since. I dont give a flying fook if they plaster "Phoenixa Sol" in their portapotty database for it, at least they're no longer bugging me. I was ready on a daily basis to reach through the screen and jam their stupid fangs up their "preferred Linden portals for shoes and hair" and it was not fun to be continually bugged about it from so many people.

I wore the necklace approximately 5 seconds to gain the peace.

Oh, and I didn't pay a dime for it.. it was free. In fact, I'd even made a wish for something like this in a long past thread about bloodlines, thank you whoever made it!
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12-09-2008 00:33
From: Wulfric Chevalier
This statement says all anyone needs to know about you. Idiot.

No, it says all about yourself. Lowest level.

If anyone want's still to contribute constructively here, please read the whole thread before posting. Thank you.

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12-09-2008 00:42
From: Boy Lane
No, it says all about yourself. Lowest level.

If anyone want's still to contribute constructively here, please read the whole thread before posting. Thank you.

Boy


Anyone who compares being in the Bloodlines database, or any database, to rape is an idiot.
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12-09-2008 00:42
From: Jesse Barnett


Well no. The vast majority of users are not affected by it. Most are like me, someone comes up and asks and I tell them to F*** Off and they never bother me again. .


You get asked? Wow i have never been asked. they just DO IT and quite annoying when im trying to build and these bites pop up in your face.
I never get a chance to tell the dicks to FO

I had no idiea they were polite enough to ask before sending a bite request
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Boy Lane
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12-09-2008 00:50
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Anyone who compares being in the Bloodlines database, or any database, to rape is an idiot.

And anyone who can't read or understand simple things deserves my pity :D
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12-09-2008 05:25
From: Boy Lane
Before more hobby psychiatrists pop up here :)...why don't you simply read the very first post of this thread instead of posting pseudo knowledge and opinions here?

Everybody has a right of privacy, in RL as well as in SL. If that's not important for you, it's purely your thing. For me it is.

Enough said and written.

I'm no hobby psychiatrists or wannabe victim..you want to be offensive then at least know what you are talking about..
Trying to act like a lawyer you are failing hard?
trying to put yourself on the level of a rape victim was insulting enough.you should expect reactions to that..
your blog kills off any attempt at SL privacy anyways..DOH!!!!
OMG you mean i could have made an alt for my blog? O'mgosh is this the iraq?
being offensive is easy..anyone can do it..

the fact is you picked a tiny little piece of a law and tried to use in conjunction with a fictional character.hence godmodding it.
here is the part you must have forgotten to read.

22577. For the purposes of this chapter, the following definitions
apply:
(a) The term "personally identifiable information" means
individually identifiable information about an individual consumer
collected online by the operator from that individual and maintained
by the operator in an accessible form, including any of the
following:
(1) A first and last name.
(2) A home or other physical address, including street name and
name of a city or town.
(3) An e-mail address.
(4) A telephone number.
(5) A social security number.
(6) Any other identifier that permits the physical or online
contacting of a specific individual.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Since you really don't own the name Boy Lane and LL does..the above and the information from your first post does not apply to whoever you are on the other side of the name that LL has let you borrow..

if you take that name and go outside of SL and put an email address or other information tying that name to your real name and information or a way to contact you other than in the SL platform..
that is you letting out your SL information..that is your doing not anyone else..

if anyone else puts that name on the net they don't have the rest of the information to go beyond the name..not unless you give it to them..in court you would be shown the one in fault for your information getting released because you took it outside of it's protective environment long before anyone else had on a site where the whole internet can make comments back to you.

people should really not tie their sl name to their RL information or outside of sl if they want to be left alone..LL warns you of this and what could happen..
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this from the linden labs Privacy policy right at the very top..

Linden Lab Privacy Policy
At Linden Lab, we are committed to protecting your privacy and creating a strong bond with our customers. This privacy policy explains the use of information collected via our website, customer service operations and Second Life service. As used in this privacy policy, the term “personal information”. means any information that may be used to identify an individual, including, but not limited to, a first and last name, home or other physical address, an email address, phone number or other contact information, whether at work or at home. Please read this information carefully - we urge all consumers to take an active role in helping us protect their privacy by becoming aware of the policies they encounter. There are five principles guiding this privacy policy:



a little lower in there is this

Second Life User:
If you install or use the Second Life software, we collect and aggregate a variety of data to monitor system and simulation performance, and to verify your unique identity. This includes specific and general information about your computer hardware and Internet connection, which are stored together but are not personally identifiable. We track usage of customer-service resources in order to ensure high quality interactions. This is in addition to the personal data and billing information collected during the registration process.

Information Displayed to Other Users:
Information about your account is displayed to other users in your Second Life profile, and this same information may be available through automated script calls and application program interfaces. This information includes your account name, account type, the date your account was established, whether or not you are currently online, user rating information, group and partner information, and whether or not you have established a payment account or transaction history with Linden Lab. >>However, we will not display your actual name, address, or credit card or bank account numbers, except with your express permission or as otherwise permitted by this privacy policy and our terms of service.<<

Disclosing Personal Information in Profiles, Forums or within Second Life:
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Either you are misunderstanding how sl works or you are trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill..
you really need to understand that you are drawing attention to yourself and one wrong statement stating fact when it is not fact in the direction of a business and the makers of bloodlines can have you in court for slander and take more than your sl soul..
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12-09-2008 06:22
Ceka, you took offense where there was none, read the posting above your previous one, that was about the hobbyist.

Anyway, I have said all already. You have your point of view, I have mine. Other people can judge by themselves.

Boy
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12-09-2008 06:43
A solution to this would be to contact the operator of the Bloodlines RP, inform them you wish your information to be removed from their database. If they fail to comply get a lawyer and take the operator to court.

What is happening here is fuel is being added to the fire, two other similar Bloodlines threads have been removed and sent for Linden Review as they were against forum GUIDELINES, pasting chat logs, naming names, and not taking up the issue at hand with Linden Lab Support.

End of discussion.
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