Bloodlines - Summary

This thread is to summarize a request of getting my personal details purged from the databases of the Bloodlines system

My original request was:
"Hello,

My name was added to your Bloodlines database. That happend without informing me properly and againsty my consent.

I request you to remove my name, Boy Lane, from that database within 7 days by latest 13 Dec 2008 24:00 SLT. A failure to do so will result in an Abuse Report and further legal actions.

Regards,
Boy Lane"

I got the following answers from the creators/owners of bloodlines:

"We've manually activated the necklace for you: deactivated your account and put you on our no-bite list."

"Hello Boy - if you activate the necklace once, it will remove you from the site, You can then discard it. This is all we can do for you. take care!"


This means Bloodlines / Liquid Designs intentionally and repeatedly refuses to remove personal data from their systems that are used for Multi-Level Marketing and Pyramid Selling. Furthermore they add ones details to additional lists and systems of unknown purpose,

In addition the company they pretend to be, Liquid Designs LLC, without a contact address or names, however according to their ToS legally residing in California, is systematically violating the California Online Privacy Protection Act (OPPA) by not complying to the requirements of a privacy policy according to the Business and Professions Code §§22575-22579 which states:

1. It must specify which Identifiers the owner collects, and the types of third parties with which Identifiers might be shared;
2. If the owner provides a process for consumers to change the Identifiers, that process must be described;
3. The effective date of the policy must be stated; and
4. The operator must describe how it will notify consumers of any material changes to its privacy policy.

I ask all to take a serious look at the Bloodlines pyramid scheme and Liquid Designs behind it. It is time to get active, request them to remove your data and file abuse reports against their illegal and annoying activities. I also ask Linden Lab to take action against Bloodlines in SecondLife.

Boy Lane

I believe that they said that they removed you from their databases...

I remember I visited their site to see what all the hype is (seriously NOT impressed). And they clearly state that if you are bitten and wish to not play anymore to send them a message and they will take you out of the database.

Also and I believe that the garlic necklace not only takes your name out of the database but it puts you on a "do not bite" list.

So sit back, put on the necklace and enjoy your SL... Don't waste your time and energy on something like this when you could be using that time and energy playing SL the way that you want to.

*smiles and muches a carrot*

@Ericka

Please read the first posting again. They do not take you out of their database, the garlic necklace rather adds additional information in it. I don't need to repeat all again, there are more than enough threads here and in other forums.

Hm boy what are you trying to achieve?
Being removed from their DB pretty much equal becoming fresh blood again no?

Or are you trying to prove a point?

Hi Kyrah, it is a simple thing. I never opted in their "game". I never was informed or gave my consent that my details will be put in a MLM database. Not that I would really care, but I also never agreed that someone steals my soul and I have to buy some bullshit potion for 999L to get it back.

So, yes, I want to make a point. Where I live it is a criminal offense what they do. It is also a criminal offense under the law of California where this "company" claims to reside.

I got this as latest answer earlier today:

"Hi Boy,

I understood your request, but I believed I was acting in your interest. If we remove you, you might continue to receive bite requests. While we believe you have no real legal recourse for asking us to take an avatar name out of a database that we own, we'll do you a favor and remove you. But, if you don't want bite requests anymore, we have to keep your name on our no bite list.

Thanks,"

And I just check with a member. Once again, they have proven to be nothing but liars:
"[2:15] Boy Lane: ***, do you have that bloodlines hud?
[2:15] ***: yes boy i do sadly no choice
[2:15] Boy Lane: can you check if I'm listed in the database?
[2:15] ***: Yes you are it doesnt say you want to be left out"

Do I still need anything to add to this?

Boy

I sympathise. Bloodlines is a pain, but the only information they have is your character name in a computer game. Right? Would that really be an identifier under Californian law?

Cal,

No, they don't only store your name and UUID, they store a lot more of information. I don't really know how much, but at least someone who owns your soul, if you are active or not, how many other people you have bitten, their names and linked details, and if you don't want to be attacked again. It likely also includes your purchase statistics with the things you bought from them

As I wrote earlier, I'm registered with LL with my RL name. And that RL name is associated with my AV name. That goes further than SecondLife; which per definition is surely not a "computer game", rather a communication platform.

It is also clearly a violation of SecondLife's TOS.

Well, I can see some of the points, my cuz Boy wants to make clear.

1st: You do not need to be professional to run a business in SL, you must not even know the rules and laws, you can just make your own rules. That is, why many start a business, whithout thinking about ethics or laws or what might grow out of it.

2nd: Well, it's a game, running on a pyramid structure. It might be fun and totally harmless, it might even be better to be IN their database, cause that definitely stops the requests "Hey, Danziel, I am a vampire, may I bite you?"
It's horrible, when you are in a business talk for example and the vamps come along and start chatting about biting.
So, I personally are quite content to be in their database, that stopped the requests ... and - hahahahaha - they DO NOT have my soul.

3rd: However, we do not know, where this might lead to. In RL, systems like that are used to detect active mails and addresses from inactive and old ones, so making sure the spam will arrive and - you have followed that request for a bite - you are one, who easily says yes.
This IS private data, and I think, when more RL business comes to SL, "games" like this will be used to detect active avatars that might say yes, that might not reject spam IMs or notecards, that can be bothered with more spam tomorrow, well knowing it will arrive.

That is the reason, why collecting data like this is forbidden in many countries or at least now seen with great joy

4th: Yes, Boy, I also see, that in SL somethime people make a business and promise stuff, that will soon be forgotten and never done.
Also: they see their point, which is the vampire game. They might be enthusiastic about it and so they forget that some that don't want to be vampires or don't want to get bite requests, might be annoyed by the fun others have.

5th: Yep, I once looked at a vendor and saw the prices for their potions and whatever they offer. Great way to become rich. And of their potions is nothing but a simple command in their database.
If it REALLY were a game, I would accept prices of 5 - 10 L$, but anything above for my feeling exceeds the idea of a fun game.

So, yes, I understand you.
My way is to have my soul lost - hahahahaha - and never get bite requests again.
Your way is to get deleted from their database, both ways are ok for me.
And should be accepted.

It'd almost be better if you say, "I'm not a part of your RP, nor do I want to be. If I do, you will not be the one I let know. I will find someone who isn't a total spamtard and grant them my soul. You, however, are now on my mute list and a complaint has been sent to both LL, the game creator and your primogen. I recommend in the future that you limit your soul-stealing to those who wish to be a part of your game."

Or: "If you are going to force me to deal with your rules system, which I want no part of, then I will force you to deal with mine. In my system, I am a pyrokinetic and any vampire who feeds off me takes on a portion of my power, save without my hard earned control. Guess that makes you an undead torch. Good luck in your next incarnation and next time, don't force others into your form of RP, unless you want to play by theirs too."

Or you could just mute them, ban them from your land and move on.

i find it funny that i see a lot of these bloodline people hanging in info hub and places where new people coming into sl..
they must feel some kind of scam is going on because when they tell me they are a vamp and i ask in general chat if they are bloodlines vamp..most say yes then teleport with some excuse like ..oh i am being summoned here or there..

more likely they think i am telling everyone what bloodlines vamps are all about and have wrecked their easy pickins..so they port lol

Boy,
It's really straight forward and Machiavellian. When LL feels they are loosing more money because Bloodlines exists than they are making through Bloodline's money sink, they will step in. Otherwise, nothing will happen, have a nice day. It's just business after all.

If this is the hill you want to die on, I wish you the best of luck and I sincerly hope you succeed. I, however, do not feel the results will be worth the agrivation. Let's face it, my cat having a turkey fart under my desk has much more impact on my life than Mars and company ever will.

Hi,

Unfortunately, your avatar is not a person and its "personal details" are not protected under RL law. This isn't to say that it's _wrong_ for them to gather details, but it isn't illegal in the usual ways. If they had your _real_ name, you would have grounds for complaint..

That is in fact the real interesting point of that whole thing. It boils down to the question if SL is a game and are we all gamers? Or, if SL is what they want to be, a to be taken serious communication and online business platform with targeted corporate customers? And if so, how to protect individuals on that platform.

Certainly in the UK, they would be in breach of the Data Protection Act.

...yeah what Yumi said.

The bloodlines database holds nothing to do with your real life info, all it holds is your avatar name and possibly your user uuid. There are HUNDREDS of applictions and systems out there in the grid which also secretly take your username and uuid, ever seen those greeters in a mall which says your name in a message but doesnt do it again if you visit the mall the same day?

Those greeters use the same system...ya gonna sue them as well?

Sorta have to agree that this will be very difficult to follow through with. Just please! don't let it interfere with your Cool Viewer builds...

Ok, why don't you browse a few postings back? It was all said before:

No, they don't only store your name and UUID, they store a lot more of information. I don't really know how much, but at least someone who owns your soul, if you are active or not, how many other people you have bitten, their names and linked details, and if you don't want to be attacked again. It likely also includes your purchase statistics with the things you bought from them

As I wrote earlier, I'm registered with LL with my RL name. And that RL name is associated with my AV name. That goes further than SecondLife; which per definition is surely not a "computer game", rather a communication platform.

It is also clearly a violation of SecondLife's TOS.

How can Bloodlines access your RL data?

At the moment, the fact that your RL name and SL name are related doesn't change the legal situation. If it did, the same would happen with WoW characters (who are _more_ likely to have a registered real name than SL avatars, because WoW has a monthly sub)

A TOS violation? It's certainly possible, but it depends on how the data was acquired. One problem with that aspect of the TOS is that it only takes (let's say) a traffic monitor to be placed on a 16m parcel, and suddenly it's ok for the owner to record your visit statistics because you are "on their land". (Many stores do this.)

Perhaps there are people that use their AV name not only in that "game" how some like to call it?! Go figure!

@Yumi

It is against SL's TOS to list names in an external database. You may read that up.

You told me to read back, im now telling you to read back...

The bloodlines database is the EXACT SAME as those mall greeters...all they do is mark your name in the A1 table, A2 and A3 columns hold the info on wether you are a registered bloodlines hud user or if you have already been bitten.

If the bloodlines database was actually able to access Linden Labs actual backend server which holds your private info then if it was that easy to do so dont ya think someone would have hacked it by now and taken all your lindens?

The bloodlines scaremongery in this forum is bordering on a cromwellian blinkered witch-hunt...

@Victor, read again the whole thread, perhaps it gives you a bit more insight. Especially that posting: /327/ea/296657/1.html#post2247755

In short, they can't unless you're silly enough to give 'em the info. Saying that our avatar keys are linked to our RL names is... stretching it to say the least.

Including me, but I still don't see how Bloodlines can get to the real you from your name and UUID. And if they can, we're all stuffed, it's just taken me all of 30 seconds to find your UUID.

If what you are saying is that Boy Lane is a name associated with you in RL, then it was extremely foolish to use it here.

I don't like Bloodlines anymore than you do, but it's an irritant, not a threat.

I know .