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Isabeau Imako
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04-12-2008 17:10
From: Ricardo Harris From: Har Fairweather Jig left the forums after being merciless;y and in my opinion unfairly attacked for starting frivolous threads in Resident Answers. QUOTE]
Interesting, isn't it? Many of those who did are now in this thread welcoming her back with open arms like a long lost child. Adding they miss her and her posting.
Unshameful Hypocrites to the very end, everyone of them who is now changing their tune after having blasted her.
Then they say I'm bad. Oh for goodness sakes you two. I never would have thought you to be drama queens. No one ever told Jig to leave the forums, she did it of her own free will. She's a big girl and can give it as good as she gets. Disagreeing with someone does not equal hating every aspect of that person. I remember her last threads, and there were only a very few who 'blasted' her. Most just gave opinions on how RA should or should not be used - nothing new here. So, shame on you two, for trying to raise this shit up again - like two grannies on a porch.
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Har Fairweather
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04-12-2008 17:36
From: Isabeau Imako Oh for goodness sakes you two. I never would have thought you to be drama queens. No one ever told Jig to leave the forums, she did it of her own free will. She's a big girl and can give it as good as she gets. Disagreeing with someone does not equal hating every aspect of that person.
I remember her last threads, and there were only a very few who 'blasted' her. Most just gave opinions on how RA should or should not be used - nothing new here. So, shame on you two, for trying to raise this shit up again - like two grannies on a porch. I'd say, let the past be. It can't be changed. We can make the present better. Welcome back again, Jig.
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Isablan Neva
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04-12-2008 17:38
From: Ricardo Harris Interesting, isn't it? Many of those who did are now in this thread welcoming her back with open arms like a long lost child. Adding they miss her and her posting. Unshameful Hypocrites to the very end, everyone of them who is now changing their tune after having blasted her. Then they say I'm bad.
I knew I shouldn't have taken you off ignore. Quit being a dick. Maybe said people have realized that they were being jerks the first time around and would like to get off on a better foot in the spirit good will. /ignore back on.
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JamesMichael Morane
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04-12-2008 18:10
From: Isabeau Imako Oh for goodness sakes you two. I never would have thought you to be drama queens. No one ever told Jig to leave the forums, she did it of her own free will. She's a big girl and can give it as good as she gets. Disagreeing with someone does not equal hating every aspect of that person.
I remember her last threads, and there were only a very few who 'blasted' her. Most just gave opinions on how RA should or should not be used - nothing new here. So, shame on you two, for trying to raise this shit up again - like two grannies on a porch. See Isabeau! You're a bigshot now!! =D
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JamesMichael Morane
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04-12-2008 18:12
@ Har ~ Thanks for filling me in with the info.
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SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-12-2008 19:13
From: Har Fairweather We can make the present better. Good one.
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JamesMichael Morane
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04-12-2008 19:35
From: SuezanneC Baskerville Good one. :quick derailment: Suezanne....everytime I see your last name I chuckle and think of that Sherlock Holmes story, the hound of the baskervilles...... :end derailment:
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Graphicguru Gustav
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Welcome back to the forums!
04-12-2008 19:46
Hi Jig!
I still have you in my list of friends, (Please don’t be shocked or surprised by that)... and your color (or colour) has nothing to do with it. Your race in SL has nothing to do with it either. It has everything to do with you being the wonderful YOU that you are! It hurts me to know that you have been hurt...you have three friends, AR, mute/ignore, and Me!
And I can say with a clear conscience, I never took place in, nor agreed with those who attacked Jig...For that matter, I never agree with anyone who is attacking anyone, not even if it is justified in their minds. Even intolerance of the intolerant, is in itself intolerable! (if THAT makes any sense).
I must say this with a happy feeling in my heart...Welcome back to the forums!
From Graph, (A man who is the proud grandfather of a beautiful and wonderful half black, half white baby girl in RL!)
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Ricardo Harris
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04-12-2008 20:58
From: Isablan Neva I knew I shouldn't have taken you off ignore. Quit being a dick. Maybe said people have realized that they were being jerks the first time around and would like to get off on a better foot in the spirit good will.
/ignore back on. If I had a dime for each time I was told I was being put on ignore and told I would be returning to ignore, I'd be rich. And it still hasn't changed a thing as I still don't give a f.... If I cared it would bother me but since I don't then it doesn't. Knock yourself out, missy. There's an old adage among my people that basically says 'if you scratch it's because you itch.' In other words, I didn't name any names then anyone who felt guilty enough of what was said would surely show it by doing exactly as this person did above. I'm not checking for names but then I don't need to as you've stepped right up to the confession booth by your reaction. You were probably one of the ones that got on Jig back then and now are making excuses of being "a jerk the first time around." You only prove it, right now. Thanks so much. I guess it must be the "in" thing nowadays, the latest fad, writting down I'm being put back on ignore. Like if I was on some type of parole and now I'm being locked up again. Do you guys compare notes on this? Maybe have some type of race to see who says it most? Yeah, I can see it now. An ignore list reserved just for me. I'm touched.
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Xio Jester
Killed the King.
Join date: 13 Nov 2006
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04-12-2008 21:19
(PETA, lol)
Well ever since I first tried out SL, even before I HAD a Main, I have always had a Black av, & used ta get "nigger" this and that a few times a week. Not to mention, once I signed up w/ my 1st main, my avs reflected my big ole hobby of havin been in, around & watching so many subcultures over the years, so not wearin "Ecko" jeans, big bling chains, and havin mohawks or whatever just put a big ole target right over my head.
What happened in MY case, was I got griefed SO MUCH, that almost nobody believed me, and I learned ta Mute, ignore, AR with screenshot while telling them & watchin 'em run/fly away, etc.
When I played other games I almost always had a Black av too, & in the MMORPGs when I would start a low lvl character, about 75% of the time, somebody new would chase me around, "kill stealing" every single time, & I'm an "Alt-aholic" on MMORPGs.
Pretty much the answer is YOU gotta deal with it, don't let it get to ya, cause there's always gonna be more boneheads.
Nice ta see the Community is pretty supportive this time, usually this issue got a lotta flames in the past, or "that doesn't happen!"
I ain't watched TV in years, maybe world-wide racism has changed that much huh. Nice.
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Ricardo Harris
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04-12-2008 21:27
From: Xio Jester Nice ta see the Community is pretty supportive this time, usually this issue got a lotta flames in the past, or "that doesn't happen!"
Shocking, isn't it? But as in the past it always depends who is posting that determines the response. This time around it was different as I had expected more of the same for the op as in the past. There's hope yet.
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Colette Meiji
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04-12-2008 21:37
From: Ricardo Harris Shocking, isn't it?
But as in the past it always depends who is posting that determines the response. This time around it was different as I had expected more of the same for the op as in the past.
There's hope yet. I know you often say this .. But you really don't think people who favor racism are going to post here do you? No matter who the OP is?
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Colette Meiji
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04-12-2008 21:44
From: Xio Jester (PETA, lol)
Well ever since I first tried out SL, even before I HAD a Main, I have always had a Black av, & used ta get "nigger" this and that a few times a week. Not to mention, once I signed up w/ my 1st main, my avs reflected my big ole hobby of havin been in, around & watching so many subcultures over the years, so not wearin "Ecko" jeans, big bling chains, and havin mohawks or whatever just put a big ole target right over my head.
What happened in MY case, was I got griefed SO MUCH, that almost nobody believed me, and I learned ta Mute, ignore, AR with screenshot while telling them & watchin 'em run/fly away, etc.
When I played other games I almost always had a Black av too, & in the MMORPGs when I would start a low lvl character, about 75% of the time, somebody new would chase me around, "kill stealing" every single time, & I'm an "Alt-aholic" on MMORPGs.
Pretty much the answer is YOU gotta deal with it, don't let it get to ya, cause there's always gonna be more boneheads.
Nice ta see the Community is pretty supportive this time, usually this issue got a lotta flames in the past, or "that doesn't happen!"
I ain't watched TV in years, maybe world-wide racism has changed that much huh. Nice. wow Xio that does sound bad Thanks for your post .. Sounds like SL wasn't so great on this subject in the old days either.
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Jacinda Jennings
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04-12-2008 22:55
From: Ricardo Harris If I had a dime for each time I was told I was being put on ignore . You would be 10 cents richer.
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Ricardo Harris
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04-12-2008 23:26
From: Colette Meiji I know you often say this ..
But you really don't think people who favor racism are going to post here do you? No matter who the OP is? OK, you've lost me. Oh, you mean because of what Jester wrote? I was referring to Jig being he said the community was more supportive this time around. Whereas last time she didn't get the same type responses. I don't think it would matter what anyone writes in as if they aren't accepted the responses would nullifiy whatever topic the op puts in. Wisecracks and topic derailment usually seems to accomplish the job. It happens all the time, you know this.
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Aminom Marvin
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04-12-2008 23:31
People are idiots on the Internet. News at 10.
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Dekka Raymaker
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04-13-2008 02:18
From: Aminom Marvin People are idiots on the Internet. News at 10. not just on the internet surely?
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Deira Llanfair
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04-13-2008 03:26
From: Jig Chippewa
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but today I met a horribly racist person. I let this "person" speak to me so that I could gauge his/her disdain of me - she (or he - who knows or cares?) used deadful language in describing what they thought of my skin colour
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But this SL "world" is fast becoming xenophobic and dedicated to a very intensely UN-liberal viewpoint - so my question is this - why are we letting this happen? This is a genuine opportunity to be global - yet we bicker and bitch and act stupidly. What REAL actions can we take in an unreal world to make us REALLY CONNECT? No "pies" please - this is a concerned user of sl.
Hi Jig I honestly think it is unrealistic to imagine that we can solve the problems of human nature in SL - we carry them with us wherever we go - but...let me get this clear... someone made racist comments about the colour of your avatar's skin????? It's pixels, for heaven's sake! You can be whatever colour you like. This is clearly idiotic - such a person can't possibly have two thoughts in their head worth rubbing together! I'd have told him he must have a problem with his graphics card. 
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Conan Godwin
In ur base kilin ur d00ds
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04-13-2008 06:01
From: Sling Trebuchet If someone expresses their opinion in the course of a debate, then it is simply expressing an opinion.
If someone just walks up to a person and abuses them, then it's harassment/intolerance/pain-in-the-ass/moronic/ARable Does that mean I can say "I hate niggers" as long as I'm not talking to a black person when I say it? Just asking out of curiosity - I like to keep abreast of what the rules are. Oh and pies. I like steak and ale pie best - I'm not too keen on fruit pies.
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From: Raindrop Cooperstone hateful much? dude, that was low. die. .
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Raymond Figtree
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04-13-2008 07:19
Conan, you can't Godwin threads anymore. There are no moderators.
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Colette Meiji
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04-13-2008 08:09
From: Ricardo Harris OK, you've lost me. Oh, you mean because of what Jester wrote? I was referring to Jig being he said the community was more supportive this time around. Whereas last time she didn't get the same type responses.
I don't think it would matter what anyone writes in as if they aren't accepted the responses would nullifiy whatever topic the op puts in. Wisecracks and topic derailment usually seems to accomplish the job. It happens all the time, you know this. No I meant that I didn't think people who have racist feelings would comment in this thread. And potential derailers would think twice Just because racism is more of a serious issue than SL specific ones.
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Colette Meiji
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04-13-2008 08:12
From: Deira Llanfair Hi Jig I honestly think it is unrealistic to imagine that we can solve the problems of human nature in SL - we carry them with us wherever we go - but...let me get this clear... someone made racist comments about the colour of your avatar's skin????? It's pixels, for heaven's sake! You can be whatever colour you like. This is clearly idiotic - such a person can't possibly have two thoughts in their head worth rubbing together! I'd have told him he must have a problem with his graphics card.  The person who made the racist comments probably feels the same way about RL people's skin color ... Or is at least crude enough to use it as an attempt to cause Jig distress.
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Sling Trebuchet
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04-13-2008 08:19
From: Conan Godwin Does that mean I can say "I hate niggers" as long as I'm not talking to a black person when I say it?
Just asking out of curiosity - I like to keep abreast of what the rules are.
..... The best way of keeping abreast of good rules is to try a bit of common sense. There are two ways (at least) of saying "I hate niggers" to a black person. 1) The two of you are involved by agreement in a conversation about attitudes 2) You walk up to them and say it out of the blue (1) Is trolling in a debate. It is an offensive way of sharing your thoughts, but is at least in context. (2) Is out and out racist. Can you say "I hate niggers" as long as you're not talking to a black person when you say it?? Well, you have the ability to say it, but saying it (meaning it) to anybody at all in any context at all would mark you out as an intolerant racist.
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foehn Breed
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04-13-2008 08:54
From: Xio Jester *snip* "Alt-aholic" *snip* Alt-aholic! I love it and stealing it *looks for TM*
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Conan Godwin
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04-13-2008 11:10
From: Raymond Figtree Conan, you can't Godwin threads anymore. There are no moderators. No seriously, that was a serious question. People like to bandy around the term "racism", but every single person on the face of the earth seems to have a different definition of what it actually is and what it includes.
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