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Argus Collingwood
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09-20-2009 12:48
This type of incident makes me want LL to add to the viewer the features of Sim Entry Viewer Type display along with Avatar name and SL day age.
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Feldspar Millgrove
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09-20-2009 13:15
From: RH Engel
Now what do I do?

Hire a lawyer who knows about copyright laws,
and file a DMCA Takedown Notice for starters.
You want a lawyer so that you don't screw up the notice or leave
anything out that you might not realize should be in there,
and for general consultation about how to proceed from that point.

Then you take legal action against the person or persons who are illegally
distributing your textures (and perhaps your furniture objects).
Assuming that your textures are sufficiently original to receive copyright
protection, I assume you registered them with the US Copyright Office so that
statutory damages are available. Otherwise you will have to prove actual damages.
In any event, you are filing one or more lawsuits in federal court.
You'll be getting the identity of the people who stole your textures
from Linden Lab, or at least their IP address. You will have to file
legal paperwork to get that information. Your lawyer may have to hire
a private investigator to locate the person based on that (eg. more
legal papers filed against the people's ISP and so on.)
Then you have to serve them and see if they respond.

Meanwhile, if you don't think LL is handling these things in
the proper and legal way, or is anyway itself profiting off
the illegal copying and distribution, then you might wish
to join the class action lawsuit that Stroker has filed.
Make your lawyer aware of this and he will guide you on that.

Did I mention that you ought to get a lawyer?
RH Engel
Prim Tormentor
Join date: 19 Sep 2004
Posts: 38
09-20-2009 13:22
We did get a lawyer 2 years ago, we had some items copied/stolen.

the guy that stole the items, is still in game.....and we won in a federal court case and the guy is still ingame. *sigh*

This time, it was 2 full sims of our work, copied and will be out in yard sales as we speak!
RH Engel
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Posts: 38
09-20-2009 13:27
Anything made by Queef Solo, is stolen merchandise. We have rezzed all the items from this box on our private sim.

We rezzed all but our items, that were in this box, if you want a tp, to come see if your things are among these stolen items, please contact me.

Everything has Queef Solo as the creator, so we don't know who really made the items.
Kidd Krasner
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09-20-2009 13:36
From: Feldspar Millgrove

You'll be getting the identity of the people who stole your textures
from Linden Lab, or at least their IP address. You will have to file
legal paperwork to get that information. Your lawyer may have to hire
a private investigator to locate the person based on that (eg. more
legal papers filed against the people's ISP and so on.)
Then you have to serve them and see if they respond.

I thought the DMCA required the service provider, LL in this case, to turn over a copy of the counter-notice, which would contain that information. Of course, the person filing the counter-notice could have lied or could live in another country.
Lord Sullivan
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09-20-2009 13:37
From: Phil Deakins
It's because of things like this, and lesser things, that I hope that Stroker's lawsuit succeeds, and that it pushes LL into doing something about it for everyone.

I suggest that you continue to sell your stuff as normal - perhaps the effect of won't be as bad as you imagine. I also suggest that you pester LL to do something about it - you never know - they may be able to do something.


I totally agree Phil and sorry your work has been ripped off like this RH :(
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Rhonda Huntress
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09-20-2009 14:37
From: RH Engel
Now what do I do?
Join Stroker's class action suit maybe?
Argus Collingwood
Totally Tintable
Join date: 5 Dec 2005
Posts: 600
09-20-2009 14:58
From: RH Engel
Anything made by Queef Solo, is stolen merchandise. We have rezzed all the items from this box on our private sim.

We rezzed all but our items, that were in this box, if you want a tp, to come see if your things are among these stolen items, please contact me.

Everything has Queef Solo as the creator, so we don't know who really made the items.


Question, is it only furniture?
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Melita Magic
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Join date: 5 Jun 2008
Posts: 2,253
09-20-2009 15:14
The name of that 'creator' is pretty rude, too. Sounds as if someone made an avatar just to do this. The name breaks LL rules in itself.
Tenshi Vielle
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09-20-2009 15:26
I find it amazing that discussion of Stroker's lawsuit is being allowed on this forum.
Tenshi Vielle
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09-20-2009 15:27
From: Argus Collingwood
Question, is it only furniture?


No. It's a big pile of everything... including hair.
Tenshi Vielle
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09-20-2009 15:30
Love it... I can't edit my profile signature or posts on here.

Anyway, as an addendum I did cover this at Shopping Cart Disco today, so you can find pictures and other information here: http://www.shoppingcartdisco.com
Tegg Bode
FrootLoop Roo Overlord
Join date: 12 Jan 2007
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09-20-2009 15:32
It sounds harsh but if the standard proceedure was to delete all the pirated items from the database, maybe customers would be more cautious of whether the person they were buying from had been in SL for a reasonable amount of time, it may get to a stage where people just wouldn't buy from an avatar less than 6 months old. But then these theives would just create accounts in advance I guess. So maybe there needs to be something to show a resident how long this person has been in business or how long their shop has been open on that particular plot.

How could we script something that refered to a database so there might be a day counter that displays how many days someones been in business on that particular plot but shows todays password so people could check randomly against the main database object, could a few top scripters come up with some freebie system like this that just required a permanent server prim stored somewhere?
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Lord Sullivan
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09-20-2009 15:56
From: Tenshi Vielle
I find it amazing that discussion of Stroker's lawsuit is being allowed on this forum.


Its being discussed here as well https://blogs.secondlife.com/thread/2452?start=0&tstart=0

But here is more user friendly than than flogs ;)
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Lord Sullivan
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09-20-2009 15:59
From: Tenshi Vielle
Love it... I can't edit my profile signature or posts on here.

Anyway, as an addendum I did cover this at Shopping Cart Disco today, so you can find pictures and other information here: http://www.shoppingcartdisco.com



I added the link on our thread here http://www.slapt.me/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=805 a good article to :)
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Tiffy Vella
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09-20-2009 16:13
From: Tegg Bode
It sounds harsh but if the standard proceedure was to delete all the pirated items from the database, maybe customers would be more cautious


This is the point I was about to make also. I think we need a culture where people *know* they will lose their items if they are purchased from a thief. I'd like to see all those wearing stolen skins to wake up one morning in nothing but their original default library skin, and finally get it that next time, they'd better pay for the creator's talents.

And I am sorry this happened to you, RH. It's what we all dread.
Marianne McCann
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09-20-2009 16:18
From: Tiffy Vella
This is the point I was about to make also. I think we need a culture where people *know* they will lose their items if they are purchased from a thief. I'd like to see all those wearing stolen skins to wake up one morning in nothing but their original default library skin, and finally get it that next time, they'd better pay for the creator's talents.


I agree. It's like the copybotted "noob" statue. It hit the grid like wildfire, and people put him in all sorts of things without knowing it was "'botted." Heck, even M Linden himself has song the praises of the big noob on his private land -- a noob that is likely one of the 'botted versions. IMO, LL should have killed the 'botted noob and if content died in the process, well, so be it. Receiving stolen property does not make it any less stolen.
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Tegg Bode
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09-20-2009 16:24
From: Marianne McCann
I agree. It's like the copybotted "noob" statue. It hit the grid like wildfire, and people put him in all sorts of things without knowing it was "'botted." Heck, even M Linden himself has song the praises of the big noob on his private land -- a noob that is likely one of the 'botted versions. IMO, LL should have killed the 'botted noob and if content died in the process, well, so be it. Receiving stolen property does not make it any less stolen.

Yep once it's been 100% proven to be stolen or the accused fails to respond to the charges withing a time period,, delete all the copies from the database and just put a blogpage somewhere for residents so see the names/creators of deleted items listed by date and maybe even the original creator so they could get some business back in people bying replacements.
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Tiffy Vella
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09-20-2009 16:51
From: Tegg Bode
Yep once it's been 100% proven to be stolen or the accused fails to respond to the charges withing a time period,, delete all the copies from the database and just put a blogpage somewhere for residents so see the names/creators of deleted items listed by date and maybe even the original creator so they could get some business back in people bying replacements.


Yes...this could be a great resource to promote ethical spending, avoid buying from known thieves, and would really help the original creators recoup some losses from those who *would* have bought from them initially if they'd been more informed.
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09-20-2009 17:10
From: Tiffy Vella
Yes...this could be a great resource to promote ethical spending, avoid buying from known thieves, and would really help the original creators recoup some losses from those who *would* have bought from them initially if they'd been more informed.

Maybe LL could go one better and replace the stolen item with a simple prim or notecard with a description like "deleted content notice #786"naming the deleted item/creator and the original creator.

This would also give LL a way to reverse the item swap if it became necessary for some reason assuming you didn't delete the notecard.
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09-20-2009 17:13
simple and elegant
Argent Stonecutter
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09-20-2009 17:17
From: Tegg Bode
Yep once it's been 100% proven to be stolen or the accused fails to respond to the charges withing a time period,, delete all the copies from the database and just put a blogpage somewhere for residents so see the names/creators of deleted items listed by date and maybe even the original creator so they could get some business back in people bying replacements.
There you go, Tegg, a much more useful suggestion than nerfing free accounts.
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Tegg Bode
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09-20-2009 17:25
From: Argent Stonecutter
There you go, Tegg, a much more useful suggestion than nerfing free accounts.

I think the economy could also be bettered to a degree by removing poor performing businesses that undercut others, a level where you either gave stuff aways as freebies because you want to or you had to at least make enough money to cover your monthly fee of $10 for a premium membership.

Or perhaps just the requirement to sell items for over L$0 relying on having provided some form of verification to LL. So they have something to try when you serve them with a legal notice to supply a copyright violators details.

Allowing free players to continually anoymously undercut longer term creators only benifits the theives.
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Allie Ree
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09-20-2009 17:41
It might be worth considering requiring an avatar be 30 days old before they are able to sell items, or even given items away. Simply make everything in their inventor no transfer for the first 30 days.

As an alternative, less appealing but maybe more effective, require a membership, nominal fee - in order to activate the sell feature.

And to RH, I am the new owner of your theatrical drapes. Hang in there!

Pun unintended.
Tegg Bode
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09-20-2009 18:10
From: Allie Ree
It might be worth considering requiring an avatar be 30 days old before they are able to sell items, or even given items away. Simply make everything in their inventor no transfer for the first 30 days.

As an alternative, less appealing but maybe more effective, require a membership, nominal fee - in order to activate the sell feature.

And to RH, I am the new owner of your theatrical drapes. Hang in there!

Pun unintended.


As good an idea as that initially sounds, I think it won't stop hardened theives, most of them would already have dozens of spare alts already prepapared ages ago to protect them selves from such simple measures. It would probably just remove the fun for newbies being able to share stuff between them a bit I suspect.

A monthly or at least nominal fee is a better idea because it means theives are going to have to gamble on whether they can sell US$10 of content on each alt before being caught to be a profitable venture. At the moment it's free to them to just continue creating new disposable alts everyday for free selling the same stolen content and they make no loss if nothing is sold by some of them before they get caught.

It's nearly impossiblle for theives to make a loss. Where as if it costs US$10 each to create 20 accounts to sell stollen stuff in world they are going to be gambling at possibly making a loss.
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