Bad news of the day: They're thinking of merging the Teen Grid into the main one

The only person that seems rude and belligerent and incapable of civility seems to be... you. In fact you make Phil seem like a nice chap.

I once bit my dentist on teh thumb when I was 10 in real. If that helps this topic.

So when are tehy gonan come? All these teens? I suggest we set up classrooms. Give them some lessons. Dress up liek Stepford wives. Get them to IM some particularly obnoxious types who we know and get teh teens to introduce themselves and ask if there are any small jobs they could do liek rebuild the sim. It might actually be fun. We could all pretend to be totally clueless teens and freak them out. Liek a strange planet of teens they never knew existed.

/me just flashed on a scary image of Children of the Corn.

Funniest post I've read in nearly a year as a mostly-lurker.

Yeah but last time i checked your computer can't hurt you, inless you put your fingers inside it when it's running.


Laws are sets of rules edicted by a group of peoples to regulate watthey can or cannot do. It is only subjective to the group. From country to country laws change, some are "right" some are "wrong", it's a matter of perception.

Pedophiles used snailmail before the days of internet, yet i do not see so much fuss about "is your mailbox kid safe?"
And how many simply got abducted by peoples in their close surrounding? peoples they trust?

It is physically safe and last time i checked the only worry was that the kids wouldn't get abused physically, for the rest the net is as safe as browsing a bookstore, there are books for kids and books for adults, and every shades of grey inbetween.
Internet is only an information transfer medium, if we follow this logic then kids should also be separated from the adults not only on internet but on all the other big communication mediums, phone, mailbox, TV.


Ultimately it's the sole responsability of parent's to care about what their kids do on internet, if you can't assue the fact you can't be behind them all the time they surf online, unplug it when you aren't home.

Comparing children to serving a bag full of poo for dinner to your friends is civil?

Ultimately, it's not about protecting the kids from the adults, it's about protecting the adults from the kids.

True about abductions by people they trust but how was a paedophile getting access to a kids snail mail address? They have to come into contact with the kid, paedophiles can easily do that via the internet.



Kids aren't allowed entry to adult bookstores. The internet is not only an internet transfer medium, it's a communication platform. There have been enough stories about kids meeting adults online and then taking that into RL. The arguments can rage about parental responsibility but the internet has increased that accessibility.

Kids should not be being targetted by mail or phone by companies without parental consent. TV generally has a watershed, after a certain time the programs can show more adult content, there are also ratings on movies regarding the suitability for kids.

Second Life has the balance right by keeping the kids and the adults separate, it's something lots of internet sites would love to be doing, it's the right away to go about things.



To a degree yes, but a parent should be able to let their kid enter a teen friendly place and not be met by adult content. The main grid is not suitable for kids, it is suitable for adults. That's how it should remain, bringing kids into an adult environment is not a clever move.

Movie rating is merely a guideline, not a hard limit.
If you don't want to expose your kids to risks of meeting bad persons better not to give them internet access at all, because it's the thing the net does best, connecting peoples for the best and for the worst.


I wish couples would expect a bit less of those others who are not interested in being parental extension.
I can't be blamed if little Billy hurt himself and i did nothing to prevent him to, for my defense, the well being of little Billy was of little interest to me.

On the other side some kids are absolutely great minds, imaginative and all, sometimes more than their elders and it would be a shame to deprive SL of such richness.

Actually, not stopping little billy because you can't be arsed to care is grounds for a lawsuit under the willfully negligent clauses and laws in various places. They are the same laws that cause us to have warning stickers on everything...

Yes some kids are great minds, others are not. Some are going to abuse the power the laws and situation give them to ruin the lives of adults that spoil their fun (be it griefing or just being jerks)

The separation is not to protect the kids, it's to protect the adults.

Your argument is that businesses should not keep kids out of dangerous situations because that is the parent's responsibility... best way to put it to you is: A construction site shouldn't need to put up walls to keep people out of harm's way. It's a parent's responsibility to keep the kid out, and adults should know better.

But like a construction company LL has a wall around SL for covering themselves and the residents... a construction company can not be sued when little billy climbs over the fence and gets hurt inside due to the liability protection of that wall.

Why should we watch over something/someone we don't care about?

Why should governments provide police, fire departments, etc... since none of them care about you personally...

But the biggie is: LL is watching both the bottom line and their legal liability, and most adults are going to concern themselves with the legal liability of a mixed grid (and the sellers of items also have to consider the bottom line in a merged grid... )

Well, they get paid to do it. (police, fire dept, etc.). Still, with that said, even though I don't have kids, as a decent human being, I don't think I could just 'not care' or not try to pull a child out of harm's way if I saw something about to happen to him, just because I myself don't have kids. I love babies, before they start talking and thinking they know more than you do. I certainly expect to see kids in the grocery store and Home Depot, and having experienced discrimination on a couple of levels myself, (being black and being deaf) I can certainly understand Brianna's horror at the previous posts, about public businesses in certain areas not allowing children. That's pretty out there and I"m glad somebody made a call to see if it was true, it's very easy to check. Can always call Home Depot themselves and ask. My condo complex in rl is not set up for kids, at all. There's no 'tot lot' or play area; still people with small kids insist on buying there; they can't be refused just because they have kids. The problem comes in when they buy the condo, knowing the set up of the complex and then you get ready to drive out of your garage and there's a kid on a big wheel blocking your car. If I hit him I'm going to get in trouble but the parents say, well, there's nowhere for him to play. Well you knew that when you moved in, and so.....conundrum, a puzzlement. Again, not the kid's fault at all. If I had kids I'd be sure I lived in a place that was conducive for them, and child friendly.

Which must be exactly why LL is considering it.

This. At warp factor 6.

The carts with the seats are to keep the kids restricted so they can't run around the store.

Anyone who would let kids under 10 run around in Home Depot is in bad need of a parenting class. The store is full of sharp objects and things where kids could do themselves some serious damage.

my dad had a theory about that kind of thing when it came to us kids..
oh that's hot?
bet you won't touch that again will ya? lol

Well, actually, I got pretty irritable, but I was also installing Vista and Office 2007 across three XP computers at the same time and after six hours decided that all three working and 5 out of 6 installed was close enough...

And they say linux is difficult to install - the only computer installed and working without a hiccup is the Ubuntu box with all open source software on it. Go figure...

Given how most children act with parental supervision present, much less without, it's about the most civil description that could be had.

Actually, as it happens, it is a discrimination issue for restaurants. Anyway, I had the conversation and it doesn't happen to be particularly true at all. The word from the CoC is that the reverse is true. Like every where else in the U.S., restaurants are hurting there as well. By the end of the year, McDonalds will have valet parking...

Given how many adults act in public, is it any wonder?

When adults are rude, beligerant, condecending, and even out right jerks towards them and others... well they learn that is accepted behaviour.

You're a real good role model for teaching the youngsters how to behave in public.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/02/05/national/main4777194.shtml

Why would you want to go and do a silly thing like that! Xp and Office 2003 are much less hassle!

I sort of agree with Baloo in respect of places that serve only adults see it as a bonus not a hindrance, but, I don't think in the case of stores this is a sensible move. I know of hotels that won't allow kids and adults find that attractive but there are of course other hotels in the area that cater for kids, in the case of a shop it seems a bit silly.

Client test beds. Still have one tablet PC with XP and Office 2003, the linux with OpenOffice.org, Mozilla and Thunderbird, with IBM Lotus with Symphony, one laptop with XP and Office 2007, one PC with Vista and Office 2003 and one PC with Vista and Office 2007. Need a file converted from one format to another? I can do it if I just remember which one is which and which one is where.