About Silks?

I am starting to make silks. They fascinate me, and aren't that difficult to make, although they are time consuming. I know that Goreans use silks, but not sure if they're worn much outside of that environment. There are tons for sale everywhere, so I'm not planning on selling mine very expensively...it's more fun right now then anything else. However, for selling purposes are there any special "rules" (spoken or unspoken) when it comes to silks? For example, do they have to be solid, or can the silk be patterned in some way? I know some "slaves" wear only white silks, etc, but what does that signify since I also see them in many other colors. Just some general questions to help me in making and perhaps gradually selling them. Thanks!

they have become a "fashion" in alot of clubs for dancers and strippers

i have yet to see any in sl that come even remotely close to how they are described in the novels about gor

it was one of the reasons a friend of mine quit gor she liked to try to go by the books and very few people do

most of the silks are pasties and strips of flexi material
others are very beautiful and elaborate

i like the flexi ones but not the ones that are sooooo flexi they stay in mid air for 5 minutes

so work on them practice on them go to laggy areas with them and try to make the tops more then just a pasty

also a internet thing is the colors slaves in the books wore all sorts of colors viriginal slaves did not always wear white they were refered to as white silk slaves but did not necisarily wear white and sex slaves were refered to as red silk slaves but did not necisarily wear red only from alot of people i spoke to that was something started in internet chat rooms to distinguish slave "levels" easier

I've seen a number of guys at non-Gorean clubs wearing them for a multitude of reasons.



First off, know that everything I'm about to write here is more common to SL Gor and might not be completely within the Gor series book lore.

If they're actual Gorean kajiri (plural for "kajirus" or male slave), there are two "formal" colors that designate their role:

<i>White silk</i> slaves are for the pleasure of their Master/Mistress only. They've been given specific rules to follow by their owner. They may serve other Masters and Mistresses food and drink, perform white silk dances, and other tasks given at their owner's discretion. They are not to be used for "pleasuring" by anyone other than their Master or Mistress.

<i>Red silk</i> slaves are "pleasure slaves." Take that as you will. They do this at their owner's discretion, along with the other tasks I've listed above.

If a kajirii is in a training school and not collared to a Master/Mistress, it's most likely they'll be required to wear whites in public unless permission is given otherwise.

(Keep in mind that this is all from an RP perspective. If they're travelling outside of the Gor sims, they'll probably be dressed like anyone else in SL.)

Can they be patterned and fancy? Absolutely. Who'd want to wear a boring white or red silk?

Outside of formal situations, many kajiri (like their female kajira counterparts) own MANY different colored and styled silks to wear in casual situations. Personally, I believe most kajirii (plural for both male and female) silk wardrobes are the cause of the slow asset server and lag issues throughout SL (joking... joking...).

You might consider contacting some of the higher profile Gorean sims to look into getting a market space. Quality Gorean-oriented products are always welcomed. If you're looking to reach a larger male-specific market, start with both Skjern and my Homestone of House Iaomai. Both are GLB friendly but there's also a fairly substantial number of straight kajiri residents.

And dont forget there's the whole "let's play Master/Mistress and servant" non-Gorean and fantasy market to aim for, as well.

Hope this helped! Good luck with your silkmaking!

Thanks for the info! I really appreciate it. Both of you were very informative, and I have a little bit of a better understanding of them and their place in SL. I'm excited about learning to make these, and have some really pretty textures I want to use on them! Can't wait to log on tonight and get started.

One thing to add, if you make panties as part of the set, be sure they are optional. Not all slaves are permitted to wear them, in fact most don't.

Panties? With silks?! SACRILEGE!

Seriously, I see some really badly made silks around. Do all of us confirmed heteros a big favor and make better ones. They can be REALLY sexy.

And forget the panties. Damn. If you're going to wear panties, you don't belong in silks at all.

Yes that is true. Popular and at times they just look like piece of object floating around. Quility is the key. But just taking long thin objects and putting a flex to make then flap around like a bird. Is not my idea of a sexy and intersting silk.

I agree with that. I have some that take forever to stop floating, as someone else pointed out on here. I like flexi...but not THAT much! I'm just learning, but they're interesting and something new to try. I have no idea if they'll be any good, but I'll do my best!

I remember silks from the days before flexi. Damn, now I feel old.

Problem is designers ( atleast some ) don`t think much about quility. Mind you there are some wonderful and great silks. But more and more i just seeing more and more junk silks. What you can do is this. Do a few product studies of 2 or 3 of the top silk designers and base your finding on what you say.All so go to silk club events. Take some photos and study the flex patterns and how NOT to go about appling flex, just not building flat long stips of objects. You will do great! Your taking the time to understand and do the market reserch. That will make you good at designing anything on sl, let alone silks


Good Luck to you,

Usagi

Its my understanding that if a kajrae is a true white silk they are to wear panties they are not allowed to expose any of their private parts, I could be wrong and if I am I will stand corrected have a wonderful day

sincerly Cheri

Grins. if a girl is white silk - restricted, she should be wearing panties with those silks!

oi... so much drifting from the books, to SL gor...

Silks were not just pasties and flexi strands, silks could of looked like anything it was just a name given to slave clothing. There was no specific colour to silks, tho panties were definately not required, in fact women of earth were considered to be slaves at heart for there love of wearing silks under there normal clothing (bra and panties). White silk just ment a virginal slave, no one could touch them including there owner unless they wanted to lower her value, if they were opened (had sex) they were no longer white silk, and available for anyone's use. Occasionally a white silk would be marked by a white cloth around the collar, but clothing is a present, something you earn, a white silk did not have to be covered at all times, and they wore an iron belt in public to deter people from using them, but even that was a rarity unless she was going to be for auction. Red silks were the same, red silk just means they are fully trained, there is no forced wearing of red silk... and usually no clothing at all is the prefered way to keep one... The slave silk not seen in SL often is yellow silk, once again they do not wear yellow... it just means they have been opened, and are training to be a red silk.

If someone wants to make authentic slave clothing, try making a burlap sack, or tattered cloth that have lots of clevage, and ride high on the thighs... as it was common for a master to rip off parts of her outfit if he felt she wasn't displaying enough.

A rather long silk thread.

Umm...

Surreal

Nope, that's another online-ism. It is true many trainers put new white silks in panties for various good reasons, but an experienced white silk is not required to be in them, and is more likely required NOT to be in them. She should be instantly accessible to her Master at any time.

It is generally the case that white silks dress a touch more modestly, but that's also an online-ism, albeit with good reasons. There's no rule that says one couldn't keep one's white silks naked at all times.

The fussy online debate about "restricted" sort of ties into this; some roleplayers don't believe in it, but I think it's a necessary cultural evolution in an online environment.

You are completely right, I sort of waded in with my "romantic" viewpoint. Like another posted stated, some slaves would only have a piece of material looped into her collar even. The slave would be grateful for any material that her Master would throw to her, I am sure anything that was thrown at her was not quite as spectacular and pretty as the silks we see in SL! To be honest I am still educating myself in Gorean ways. I find it fascinating and enjoy reading people's views and opinions.

Isn't is all an online-ism anyway? I mean is there really an "offline Gor" apart from the books?

Maybe.. but Makes them PG

Shouldn't be worn in Mature area's of course but handy to have them in PG. Strippers I'd guess like them too.

Incredibly enough, yes. They refer to themselves as "lifestylers"... Ko-Ro-Ba is a good sim to visit for an introduction, and fairly visitor-friendly. Also, not a bad place to view selections of silks for sale. (Well, this info is all months old, so for all I know, the "Priest Kings" have felled Ko-Ro-Ba and all its residents now inhabit the City of Dust... or something like that.)

Just in passing... if anybody but their Master even knows whether a white silk kajirus or kajira is wearing underwear, somebody is cheating. Hence the difference between the "tower" and "nadu" kneeling poses. (Or, uh... "so I'm told." )

As the OP is making silks for men, I'd really recommend including some sort of underwear option for wearing in public. At the least, a g-string. *grin*

Actually there are real life groups of of people who try to live Gorean in the real world, one that comes to mind is a real life group in Australia. You have roleplayers and you have real lifers who apply the principles and other concepts of the books to their real lives. Is it possible to completely depict Gor in real life, I doubt it, but Gor is much more than just a series of books to some people.

It should be noted that in the Books of Gor, the kajirae wore tunics, rags, or work silks on a daily basis, not the dressy silks we see on sale everywhere. Dress silks would have been reserved for special occasions, festivals, holidays and such. Silk is considered very expensive in Gor, and would cost a Master a great deal to clothe his property in, therefore it would not be logical or feasible for any kajirae to wear dressy silks every day with the hard labor she/he would be required to do.

http://www.geocities.com/kassau_info/garments.html

http://www.moonproductions.com/Fantasy/Gor/slavelivery.html

just to elaborate on your thread, here is the complete Silk colors and thier meanings, based on a real life kajira who did read the books and is not based on SL gor:

The silks that a slave of Gor wears are gifts from her Master, as she has no possessions and all she receives is from him; therefore, the style, the color, and the accessories that she may wear are selected by him. He may select any garment he wishes for his slave, or no garment at all, but we offer this list of generally acknowledged conventional guidelines that may affect the perception of his choices. Tradition tells us that slavegirls are usually "clad only in the brief, diagonally striped slave livery of Gor, a sleeveless, briefly skirted garment terminating some inches above the knee." - Outlaw of Gor

White - The white silk slave is not necessarily virgin, but rather reserved for her Master's sole use. Generally, white silk slaves are permitted to serve food and drink and have conversation from their knees. No laps or alcoves are permitted, as their sexual use is forbidden. Corporal punishment is administered only at the hands of the owner. Masters and Mistresses (if insulted) may choose to embarrass, confine, or display the slave, but may not strike in any way nor permit another to do so. No honorable freeperson will cross the restrictions of the White Silk. New slaves normally wear white silks until they learn to serve and please Masters or Mistresses.

Yellow - Denotes the Inn-owned pleasure slave ... her use is rented and negotiated with the Inn owners and may or may not include sexual favors (full usage) at the owner's discretion

Red - The mark of a pleasure slave...may generally be used by any freeperson who desires her usage but may be reserved for the sole use of the owner. A pleasure slave is trained in all sexual pleasures, in service, and in dancing. Such kajirae are said to be closest to the houris of the Arabian harem. Collared Red Silk may be reserved solely for the use of their Owners. "True" Red Silks could be collared or uncollared but the slave's sexual pleasures are allowed use by any freeperson. Sometimes payment is made to the Owner for the use of the slave. If an uncollared slave claims to wear red silk, the slave should be prepared to be used as a "red silk" kajira.

Grey - State owned slaves

Black - The mark of an unowned, unpurchased slave. Normally, these uncollared slaves wear a cloth camisk, not made of silk.

Camisk - A cloth that is used to bind and conceal the loins of the slave female, brought between the legs and drawn extremely tight about the waist to emphasis it.

Chalwar - Baggy pants of diaphanous silk, worn by slavegirls of the Tahari; similar to the harem trousers of Earth

Ta-Teera - A simple cloth, slit fully on both side with an opening for the head, worn poncho style. The cloth is held in place with a cord or chain tied tightly about the waist, and its hem barely covers the groin and bottom so that the slave flesh is fully available at all times.

kajirus Garment - There is no distinct garment for a male slave on Gor, since, as it is said, it is not well for them to discover how numerous they are. -Tarl Cabot, Outlaw of Gor


any other colors used are strictly cosmetic and only exist in SL(so far).

The Only specified and Universal colour designations Denoting a slaves Function are Red, and White and they actually need not be reflected in the colouration of the whole Garment, a Silk scarf tied about the Neck, waist, Upper arm, or Upper thigh is sufficient. The Other colour Designations Vary from City to City in the Books and are NOT universal to the whole Globe, so they can be used, or discarded at your Pleasure. Most are from On line or Fan Fiction sources, and are not considered Cardinal by Gorean Purists (If such a Thing exists, I've found Purists very Punctilious in Some areas, whereas they are extremely Lax in Others).

Any colour, or shape you make will Sell, the more Flowing, and Diaphanous the Better. There should be no Undergarments Especially with Red Silks, those Girls are to be Ready for action at the drop of a Codpiece. Test a silk to see How well it Looks when in the Various Gorean slave Poses, the more pleasing it flows over the Girls Body the Better. You should also see how well they Move when the Girls Dance. You Can specify a silks Function, It would make Little sense for a slave to wear the best dance silks, or the most alluring Furring silks if she is being set to scrub floors, or Dung out the Bosk Pens.

Remember, for a Female slave, there is only One true Function, That of Pleasing their Owner. Even Functional Silks should Emphasize the Girls alure, Even when working at Mundane tasks she should be as desirable as Possible. Much of this in a Properly Trained slave Comes from the Girl Herself, the Garments are only Props, but those props should assist efficiently.

Look what has been done already, and strive for a Unique Look. This won't be Easy du to the sheer bulk of silks on the Market at the present time. Don't neglect Feet, or Hair, and Learn to make jewelry, and adornments as well they will Only assist sales. Creat things that are Very revealing, in some cases no more than whisps of Fabric held by jeweled chains. The More Clever you are about revealing, nearly revealing, or accentuating the slaves charms the more sales you will make. Also, don't neglect those Owners who wish to Keep their slaves charms solely for themselves. While still Daring, they should Disguise more when in Public. As a Mistress, i have assigned certain garments to be worn by my Girls when we attend Functions in PG sims. The clothing Makes it apparent that they are Owned, but Isn't likely to get her evicted for Violating TOS on a PG sim.

Goreans aren't the Only ones to Buy silks, they have a Huge Market among Most of the alternative Lifestyles in SL, as well as the Party, and Clubbing crowd. Where ever a woman wants to be at her Most Daring, and sexy, you will find slave silks pressed into use.

Good Luck.

Angel.

i wear silks most of the time and the main issue i have withthe ones that have prim tops is this....my collar. most prim tops remove it, so if i want to wear that silk, i have to re attach my collar to a different place ( spine ) now, i know nothing at all about making clothes, but it would be so nice to buy silks that had prim tops for chest and spine attachments.. i would be willing to pay the extra lindens for them..not sure about anyone else though.