Britain activates banlines!
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Desmond Shang
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05-05-2009 09:47
In a clear nod to Second Life, Home Secretary Jacqui Smith added sixteen people to Britain's ban list today. In addition, the list was published so other nations who trust Britain could see who was banned. And possibly, add them to their own ban lists. It is not known if Britain would incorporate ban lists from other trusted countries. But it does raise questions. Will Britain eventually become a BanLink user? What will the coasts look like? And what happens when Britain's "About Land" access list fills up? Only time will tell. http://www.straitstimes.com/Breaking%2BNews/World/Story/STIStory_372713.html
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Chris Norse
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05-05-2009 10:13
The UK is little more than an open air prison. So much for the Rights of Englishmen.
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Kokoro Fasching
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05-05-2009 10:38
So now when we go flying over Britian, we will have to watch out for sudden red ban lines. Then again, they only work up to so many meters over the physical land, that shouldn't be too much of a issue. 
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Ponsonby Low
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05-05-2009 10:47
Yah, I'm thinking the White Cliffs of Dover are NOT going to be improved by the presence of a network of glowing red lines...
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TundraFire Nightfire
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05-05-2009 11:00
I could use some ban lines around here. For some odd reason, my property is a moose magnet in the winter and sometimes I can't even get into my driveway because out-of-season food-on-the-hoof won't move their big rump roasts for nothin'.
I want to put all moose on my ban list...and mosquitoes!
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Deira Llanfair
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05-05-2009 11:03
From: Ponsonby Low Yah, I'm thinking the White Cliffs of Dover are NOT going to be improved by the presence of a network of glowing red lines... Sorry, Kent is full! I'm hoping the ban lines can be painted white for aesthetic reasons. (BTW Ms Smith is usually referred to as "JackBoots" 
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05-05-2009 11:12
From: Desmond Shang ..... What will the coasts look like? ... Watchtowers! Get the unemployed off their arses and into the watchtowers. Solve security and unemployment in one fell swoop.
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LittleMe Jewell
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05-05-2009 11:23
I literally had to reread this statement a few times and still shake my head in wonder and disbelief: From: someone 'This is the driving force behind tighter rules on exclusions for unacceptable behaviour,' she added Just to clarify -- IMO, there is a BIG difference in the "unacceptable" behavior of taking someone's life and just standing up ranting and raving crap out of your mouth.
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05-05-2009 11:31
Personally, if I could put Fred "thank God for dead soldiers" Phelps on my banlist, I would gladly do so. I'm amazed nature doesn't shrivel up and die all around him as he takes every step through his miserable little life. Yes, I'm biased. God hates me, remember? 
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LittleMe Jewell
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05-05-2009 12:06
There are many many many people out there that I absolutely abhor what they say and believe, and I would most definitely not have them saying such crap in my house. However, I will follow the original American intention and fight for their right to say it in public. The minute they lose that right, my right to disagree in general with whatever is currently politically correct will soon be lost also.
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Love Hastings
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05-05-2009 12:17
From: LittleMe Jewell There are many many many people out there that I absolutely abhor what they say and believe, and I would most definitely not have them saying such crap in my house. However, I will follow the original American intention and fight for their right to say it in public. The minute they lose that right, my right to disagree in general with whatever is currently politically correct will soon be lost also. From what I can gather, these people are not British citizens. So this is exactly the same as you not inviting them into your house because you don't agree with them, and much less to do with any right to free speech. You don't have any rights in a foreign country, typically, beyond whatever the government chooses to grant you. If I came into the US and make a big enough stink, you better believe I'd be shown to the border and put on a no-entry list.
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05-05-2009 12:24
From: Love Hastings If I came into the US and make a big enough stink, you better believe I'd be shown to the border and put on a no-entry list. I wouldn't bet on that - we have lots of big mouth foreigners spouting crap all the time over here. Granted, we have a lot more of the big mouth citizens doing it, but we do get all kinds here.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-05-2009 12:36
From: LittleMe Jewell I wouldn't bet on that - we have lots of big mouth foreigners spouting crap all the time over here. Yes. It's called The United Nations.
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05-05-2009 12:38
From: Love Hastings From what I can gather, these people are not British citizens. So this is exactly the same as you not inviting them into your house because you don't agree with them, and much less to do with any right to free speech. You don't have any rights in a foreign country, typically, beyond whatever the government chooses to grant you.
If I came into the US and make a big enough stink, you better believe I'd be shown to the border and put on a no-entry list. No you wouldn't. Hell, if you managed to get in illegally, the governmment would be looking to reward you.
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05-05-2009 12:46
From: Love Hastings From what I can gather, these people are not British citizens. So this is exactly the same as you not inviting them into your house because you don't agree with them, and much less to do with any right to free speech. You don't have any rights in a foreign country, typically, beyond whatever the government chooses to grant you.
If I came into the US and make a big enough stink, you better believe I'd be shown to the border and put on a no-entry list. LOL thats even if you got past airport security in the US, they to have a habit of banning and excluding "Undesirables" with the "No Fly List" which classes those on it as inadmissable From the wiki details on the USA no fly list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_ListFrom: someone * Numerous children (including many under the age of five, and some under the age of one) have generated false positives.[14][15] * Daniel Brown, a United States Marine returning from Iraq, was prevented from boarding a flight home in April 2006 because his name matched one on the No Fly List. The rest of his company refused to leave the airport until Brown was allowed to board.[16] * David Fathi, an attorney for the ACLU of Iranian descent and a plaintiff in the ACLU lawsuit.[17] * Asif Iqbal, a management consultant and legal resident of the United States born in Pakistan, plans to sue the U.S. government because he is regularly detained when he tries to fly, because he has the same name as a former Guantanamo detainee.[18][19] Iqbal's work requires a lot of travel, and, even though the Guantanamo detainee has been released, his name remains on the No Fly List, and Iqbal the software consultant experiences frequent, unpredictable delays and missed flights.[20] He is pushing for a photo ID and birthdate matching system, in addition to the current system of checking names.[21] * Robert J. Johnson, a surgeon and a former lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army, was told in 2006 that he was on the list, although he had had no problem in flying the month before. Johnson was running as a Democrat against U.S. Representative John McHugh, a Republican. Johnson wondered whether he was on the list because of his opposition to the Iraq War. He stated, "This could just be a government screw-up, but I don't know, and they won't tell me."[22] Later, a 60 Minutes report brought together 12 men named Robert Johnson, all of whom had experienced problems in airports with being pulled aside and interrogated. The report suggested that the individual whose name was intended to be on the list was most likely the Robert Johnson who had been convicted of plotting to bomb a movie theater and a Hindu temple in Toronto.[4] * In August 2004, Senator Ted Kennedy (D-MA) told a Senate Judiciary Committee discussing the No Fly List that he had appeared on the list and had been repeatedly delayed at airports. He said it had taken him three weeks of appeals directly to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge to have him removed from the list. Kennedy said he was eventually told that the name "T Kennedy" was added to the list because it was once used as an alias of a suspected terrorist. There are an estimated 7,000 American men whose legal names correspond to "T Kennedy". (Senator Kennedy, whose first name is Edward and for whom "Ted" is only a nickname, would not be one of them.) Recognizing that as a U.S. Senator he was in a privileged position of being able to contact Ridge, Kennedy said of "ordinary citizens": "How are they going to be able to get to be treated fairly and not have their rights abused?"[23] Former mayor of New York City Rudy Giuliani pointed to this incident as an example for the necessity to "rethink aviation security" in an essay on homeland security published while he was seeking the Republican nomination for the 2008 presidential election.[24] * U.S. Representative John Lewis (D-GA), widely known for his civil rights advocacy, has been stopped many times.[25] * Canadian journalist Patrick Martin has been frequently interrogated while travelling, because of a suspicious individual with the same name.[26] * James Moore, an Emmy-winning television news correspondent, co-author of Bush's Brain: How Karl Rove Made George W. Bush Presidential, political activist, and outspoken critic of the Bush administration, was placed on the No Fly List.[27] * Walter F. Murphy, McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence at Princeton, reported that the following exchange took place at Newark on 1 March 2007, where he was denied a boarding pass "because I [Professor Murphy] was on the Terrorist Watch list." The airline employee asked, "Have you been in any peace marches? We ban a lot of people from flying because of that." "I explained," said professor Murphy, "that I had not so marched but had, in September 2006, given a lecture at Princeton, televised and put on the web, highly critical of George Bush for his many violations of the constitution." To which the airline employee responded, "That'll do it."[28] * David Nelson, the actor best known for his role on The Adventures of Ozzie and Harriet, is among various persons named David Nelson who have been stopped at airports because their name apparently appears on the list.[29][30] * Jesselyn Radack, a former United States Department of Justice ethics adviser who argued that John Walker Lindh was entitled to an attorney, was placed on the No Fly List as part of what many believe to be a reprisal for her whistleblowing. * In September 2004, former pop singer Cat Stevens (who converted to Islam and changed his name to "Yusuf Islam" in 197  was denied entry into the U.S. after his name was found on the list.[31] * In February 2006, U.S. Senator Ted Stevens (R-AK) stated in a committee hearing that his wife Catherine had been subjected to questioning at an airport as to whether she was Cat Stevens due to the similarity of their names.[29][32] * U.S. Representative Don Young (R-AK), the 3rd-most senior Republican in the House, was flagged in 2004 after he was mistaken for a "Donald Lee Young".[33] * Some members of the Federal Air Marshal Service have been denied boarding on flights that they were assigned to protect because their names matched those of persons on the no-fly list.[34] * Until July 2008, Nelson Mandela and other members of the African National Congress were on the list, something that U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice called "rather embarrassing".[35] On July 5, 2008, the U.S. removed Mandela and the ANC from the list.[36] * In August 2008, CNN reported that an airline captain and retired brigadier general for the United States Air Force has had numerous encounters with security officials when attempting to pilot his own plane.[37] * After frequent harassment at airport terminals, a Canadian businessman changed his name to avoid being delayed every time he took a flight.[38] * In October 2008, it was revealed that Maryland State Police classified 53 nonviolent political activists as terrorists, and entered their names and personal information on the terrorist watch list.[39] Also, protest groups were entered as terrorist organizations. During a hearing, it was revealed that these individuals and organizations had been placed on the list because of their opposition to the death penalty and the Iraq war. * In April 2009, the US authorites refused to allow an Air France flight from Paris to Mexico to cross US airspace because it was carrying journalist Hernando Calvo Ospina who has critised the role of the United States in Latin America.
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Love Hastings
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05-05-2009 12:58
Wups. I didn't mean to derail this thread or turn it into a free speech in America thing. I just wanted to point out that foreigners to a country aren't afforded the same rights as citizens (or those of official landed status). And that it's wholly within any country's right to deny entry to anybody they choose, for any reason they choose.
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LittleMe Jewell
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05-05-2009 13:01
From: Lord Sullivan LOL thats even if you got past airport security in the US, they to have a habit of banning and excluding "Undesirables" with the "No Fly List" which classes those on it as inadmissable From the wiki details on the USA no fly list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_ListYeah, but if you are really really a bad guy (or an illegal) we will welcome you with open arms. We only discriminate against the innocents.
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05-05-2009 13:07
From: LittleMe Jewell Yeah, but if you are really really a bad guy (or an illegal) we will welcome you with open arms. We only discriminate against the innocents. LOL I have heard that. Most countries have these lists I cannot understand why the UK has released the names of some on the list and its a lot bigger than 16 names thats for sure. Politics eh 
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Sling Trebuchet
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05-05-2009 13:25
From: Lord Sullivan LOL thats even if you got past airport security in the US, they to have a habit of banning and excluding "Undesirables" with the "No Fly List" which classes those on it as inadmissable From the wiki details on the USA no fly list at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_Fly_ListIt's entirely possible that vast numbers of USA citizens never heard of Senator Kennedy. This would account for airport security staff not knowing who he is and being suspicious of his ('probably fake') ID. Drifting sideways into the thread on using 'popular' fake details to verify with Integrity: I go back to my suggestion of the possibility of knock on the door for people using information that might also have been used by a suspected terrorist - such as "T Kennedy" -- OR using the details of someone whose *name* happened to be on the no-fly list. Imagine opening your door and finding the same intelligence level that tries to keep the Senator and small children off of aeroplanes. There's a Teddy Kennedy avatar in SL. According to slnamewatch, there are 51 Kennedy's -- probably all terrorists, or griefers at the very least. I hope LL have them on the no-tp list.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-05-2009 13:29
From: Lord Sullivan LOL I have heard that. Most countries have these lists I cannot understand why the UK has released the names of some on the list and its a lot bigger than 16 names thats for sure. Politics eh  Admit it. One of those names is yours. 
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LittleMe Jewell
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05-05-2009 13:37
From: Brenda Connolly Admit it. One of those names is yours.  He's probably Savage 
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Brenda Connolly
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05-05-2009 13:47
From: LittleMe Jewell He's probably Savage  You've been to his sim too, I see.
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05-05-2009 14:35
From: someone The UK is little more than an open air prison. So much for the Rights of Englishmen. I don't think I've ever felt my country is like an open prison!
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Briana Dawson
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05-05-2009 14:52
From: Love Hastings From what I can gather, these people are not British citizens. So this is exactly the same as you not inviting them into your house because you don't agree with them, and much less to do with any right to free speech. You don't have any rights in a foreign country, typically, beyond whatever the government chooses to grant you.
If I came into the US and make a big enough stink, you better believe I'd be shown to the border and put on a no-entry list.
From: Brenda Connolly No you wouldn't. Hell, if you managed to get in illegally, the governmment would be looking to reward you. Yes. By granting citizenship so you can vote in the next presidential election! YAY FOR AMNESTY AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!! WOO HOOO!
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Brenda Connolly
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05-05-2009 14:56
From: Briana Dawson Yes. By granting citizenship so you can vote in the next presidential election! YAY FOR AMNESTY AND ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS DESTROYING OUR COUNTRY!! WOO HOOO! I don't mind granting citizenship to anyone who comes here, that's what this country is supposed to be all about. Everyone who comes here should become a full fledged taxpayer.
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