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Kitty Barnett
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Join date: 10 May 2006
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01-03-2008 22:09
From: Har Fairweather It may be that this tactic will work sometimes, but I've never seen it work. Have you ever actually made it work or seen it work? It does for me as long as everyone else plays along as well  . If it's a social setting (and you don't have access to the land controls, or the griefer is outside the parcel borders) just have everyone mute, sit, turn off particles or whatever is needed to stop the annoyance or just ignore it altogether and go on with whatever you're doing, or tp away. I used to just keep on hosting whether the club was getting bombed, burried in prims or whatever else. If there's nothing you can do about it there's little point in getting worked up about it, just try the best you can to calm everyone else down and get them to focus on something else. The only times I've seen things escalate was when people were taunting the griefer back or went after him/her. They just kept coming back over and over and things ended up worse than they were. For a private setting (your own house), I've had the most luck with a simple force tp home. Ejecting/orbitting/banning/talking would just ensure they'd come back and find a new way to be annoying. I never said your perspecctive was wrong though, it's just different  . In my view the only way a griefer wins is by letting him ruin whatever I'm doing, or get me annoyed and worked up.
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Sling Trebuchet
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Join date: 20 Jan 2007
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01-04-2008 05:26
From: Aria Takacs I agree with you Lucy i will stick up for myself even if it means getting in trouble. I was attacked in my house a few months ago by a guy dressed up in a cowboy outfit with two guns pointing them at me and firing them around the room. He had a foul mouth and was threatening me and my friend. He ended up shooting me after i refused his lewd advances. I was able to give him a little taste of his own medicine and I really don't think he was expecting it, which I have to say was very satisfying. I agree with the "not running away" bit, particularly on your own land. It's the scale of the response that might get you in trouble. Eject/Ban does the job admirably and zeroes the chances of the perp successfully ARing you. I admire Aria's patience in letting the cowboy have so much of her time. I had a guy pull a gun in front of me on my land a while back. I asked him politely to put it away. He didn't. Instant ban/eject!! No talking. No time for lewd advances or shooting. Bang! Gone and forgotten. I'd have ejected Aria's cowboy on sight if he came in shooting. I'm a creature of sweetness and light. Really!  But I don't take shit from anyone.
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Sling Trebuchet
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01-04-2008 05:43
From: Har Fairweather It may be that this tactic will work sometimes, but I've never seen it work. Have you ever actually made it work or seen it work?
In any case, there are forms of griefing that can't be ignored. If you can ignore one form, then griefers will simply turn to another you can't ignore. Disrupting a live event, for example. Creating enough ugly chaos at a club that the customers are driven away and don't come back and the business venture is ruined, for instance. Keeping an opaque trap on a builder in a sandbox, making him unable to work, for instance - and the griefer waits for other victims while the builder tries futilely to wait him out. Spewing obscenities at an SL wedding, for instance. Crashing the whole damn sim, for instance - and crashing it again when it comes back: Try sitting on a cube through that. Chat-spamming so that no-one can use public chat, for instance - the longer you sit there "ignoring" that, the more lulz the griefer gets, and yes, it is easily automated, so the griefer can just sit back and watch.
"Ignoring" griefing is a pipe dream. An opium pipe dream; it is beautiful to think of, but hallucinatory. There isn't a 'one size fits all' response. If a club is running an event, then it would be wise to have someone on hand with ability to ban, either as a parcel power or via a device. If an avatar is banned, their objects or chat can not enter the parcel. That doesn't necessarily stop everything they can do, but it can tone it down. If nobody on a private or Linden parcel can trigger a ban, then any 'vigilante' action is open to being successfully ARed by the perp. It seems a shame, but I understand that to be the case from reading postings here. It's been suggested before that LL give ban powers to selected residents in the worst-abused sandboxes. Those peoples' actions would be under a LL microscope, with an account suspension being the result of any heavy-handedness on their part.
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Qie Niangao
Coin-operated
Join date: 24 May 2006
Posts: 7,138
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01-04-2008 06:34
From: Har Fairweather Crashing the whole damn sim, for instance - and crashing it again when it comes back: Try sitting on a cube through that.  But what other than an Estate ban (or, on Mainland, an account suspension) would prevent the griefer from just doing that again anyway? Would it somehow help to have orbited him between sim crashes--assuming he makes himself convenient to orbit? If one wants to play with the griefer for entertainment purposes, fine. I just don't see how it can be effective in actually dealing with the problem, except in the case of exceptionally clueless griefers. Sub-PN clueless, even.
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Lias Leandros
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Join date: 20 Jul 2005
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01-04-2008 11:42
From: Sling Trebuchet What happens when you enter *their* personal space? I think that they could AR you in either case. 'Self defence' or retaliation isn't accepted by LL as justification apparently. Even if it was, a person coming within a distance set by you can hardly be described as an attack. I'm not even sure that you'd be safe using it on your own land. - Unless it popped up a Granny to shout "Get away from my grandchild!!!!"  The device warns you that the person is within 96 meters - If you then walk toward them then you aren't really the victim anymore. This personal security armband has been being used for several years.
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