"Guess what will get you banned ?"

http://www.secondlifeinsider.com/2007/10/05/guess-what-will-get-you-banned/

What's your take on this ? Of course, we don't have all the details but this doesn't look good for LL.

No matter how bad SL gets, the technology will not be what kills it.

My take is that it's a horribly written article.

No substantiating documentation. No quotes. No information. Just states that some unnamed person was doing some unknown infraction that resulted in an unknown Linden banning them. I believe there has to be some KNOWN details that aren't being provided. If there's not then there should have been some investigation before writing the article.

I am not denying some silly action occurred, but I can't accept it did. There is absolutely nothing in the article to allow anyone to make any kind of decision.

Like was already said, it's a bit light on the details. However, yes, it sounds like they were given "the notecard" which some of the kid-based places know about. I've seen it in two versions, the "you may have someting bad" and the "you have someting bad" - but without really saying what.

Mari

As above, I doubt the source and facts.

However, if a Linden told me to remove offensive material, but refused to say what, I'd probably eject said Linden off my land, as well as to go to Live Chat and open up a chat while filling out a Support Ticket complaint.

My text to this hypotetical Linden would be around the lines of "Either tell me what the object is, or shut the heck up and go get another Linden who has a brain cell."

So IF that story was true (and for the record, I highly doubt it), then LL needs to go on a headhunting mission. Not in-world, but in their own Liason department.

I can vouch for the truth in what's in that article. I have a copy of the notecard, but will NOT be distributing it. I know this because I believe I was indirectly responsible for Tateru's obtaining it.

The person being mentioned has attracted a rather sizable army of anti-expressionist griefers, and has been targeted before. To prevent further hate, I will not be giving the name.

However, I -will- paste this line from it, as it is a Linden himself saying something different than what was widely known:

"[...]Linden: There's no exception for "in private", "non-public", "hard to find", etc."

And I count at least four instances of the person asking the Linden DIRECTLY what the offending objects were.

These were the responses:

- "[...]Linden: I'm not able to be specific, but I can say that using terms like "lolita", "pre-teen", "toddler" on your vendors is the most obvious trouble."

- "[...]Linden: Well, we're not clearing out the parcel *yet*, but in a day or less we will re-visit the reported areas; a suspension may result if the "broadly offensive" content is still present."

- "[...]Linden: You must adjust the objects and textures on your parcel to be in compliance with the Community Standards. "Linden Lab chooses not to allow the advertising or promotion of age play or related activities in any public forum -- including in-world textures, classified ads, the Second Life forums, or parcel descriptions. Advertisements, promotions, or descriptions of such activities must be removed to avoid account sanctions. " We cannot choose for you."

- "[...]Linden: It's pretty clear there are multiple objects which cause trouble. It is true that having one thing near another thing can make a "suggestive situation"."


And then, after repeatedly denying to adress exactly WHAT was in violation:

"[...]Linden: We will have someone check on the reported areas in a day or so. Make sure they are in compliance."

Umm, hello? How can this person be in compliance when WHAT WAS OFFENDING WASN'T STATED?!

"[...]Linden: That's not the issue, we've looked at the parcel."

Fine, then YOU bunch know what's offending. TELL THIS PERSON ALREADY SO THEY CAN COMPLY!






This is why the article was written. I have chosen to omit the Linden's first name, but depending on what is said later, and what happens, I may well change my mind....

I once knew a manager for whom every issue was to be dealt with "on a case-by-case basis". I read this as code for "I have no moral compass or general principle by which I decide anything, so you'll just have to come to me for everything".

All his staff eventually requested transfers.

There is considerable power in capricious and arbitrary enforcement of unstated rules. Some people consider that power advantageous and fun. Most people subject to that sort of rule consider it tyrannical.

It sounds like the offense is related to the no age play rule, and that an item on the persons land has a name or description that would fall under that rule, such as the examples given, lolita, pre-teen, toddler. Also, another thing I take from it is that it could be something that would seem innocent by itself but is located next to something rather suggestive. While I think it is just stupid for them to not be direct with the person, they have given the person enough leads to figure out what they are talking about.

Where you there during the exchange? If not, you cannot vouch for the truth, because on a notecard, everything can be typed. And yes, conversation logged this way can be altered afterwards.

Agreed. but I believe anyone who pulls this stunt even once basically forfeits other people's trust. that's why I believe in logs when they are proffered - at least till I have the slightest proof that a log is falsified.

I could be a fool of course. I'm not the smartest wildcat in the world. But I ain't the dumbest one either.

Assuming that this is true, it's not very helpful. Either it's an Abuse Team member getting high on his god-like powers or (what I rather suspect) a case of less than clear legal guidance they have received for doing their job (something along the lines of "You are not authorized to make on-the-spot final judgments whether a specific object is considered offensive..."

As SL is not a polity with established laws, standards and a judiciary for recourse if the executive exercised its power in a way residents don't like, we'll have to live with arbitrary interpretations, I guess.

altho not directly involved in the situation i can also vouch for the legitimacy of this article. the resident DID plead, insisting the desire to comply with the rules over and over and over again. if only the resident could ferret out what was objectionable. the Linden in question eventually went offline without clarifying anything, leaving the resident begging for clues as this Linden logged out.

Look at the writer of that childish writing? that is so fitting. I not surprized at all. wonders if that person got fired from llabs?
I don`t believe a word about that note card........some thing doesnt not sound right. More drama for that person. she has always been from the start. nothing new there.

wrong answer

Is there a right one for this subject? Doubt it with the writer of that piece

ok read this writing i found on a english news site......... sounds pretty much the same to me.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/TRAVEL/10/05/airlines.dress.debate.ap/index.html

i suppose - key point is the airline actually apologizes for harrassing their own customers

the resident involved in this article deserves an apology

hahahaha well...........i don`t take this write serious about LLABS. I can`t take writer of that piece serious.

hahahaha well . . . . . i dont care about the writer of the article i never even heard of that person before. i do care about the resident in the article tho and youve already seen a few people step up and verify that info wasnt false. So im not entirely sure what agenda you are running Usagi

Anyone that knows the writer of that piece. Knows she has gotten involved with a few issues and caused a few of her own. I don`t trust her and I never have...... and never will after some of her cartoon games she has done in the past. Every so offen her litle head pop out of nowhere and starts up again.

Since the Linden didnt say exactly what was offensive, but gave a general list of what is offensive, is it possible he had recieved an AR but hadnt visited yet, but was giving the parcel owner a chance to clean up before they sent round a visit?
Or possibley he wasnt actually at the parcel during the conversation so couldnt point to objects (and didnt want to describe them as they were sick)

If the parcel owner is willing, he should announce the parcel location here and forum people could teleport there and see for themselves. They would be far more direct in telling you face to face what was offensive.

welcome to the pre-idv testing range where u can AR with a bunch over bs and have some 1 banned

Eh *shrugs* I'd AR the Linden in that piece.

Since this hypothetical Linden wanted something corrected, but refused to say ~what~ that "something" was (Directly. This Blue's Clues is bs), then it's just Harrassment, pure and simple.

The landowner would be well advised to not only file an AR, but also summit a compliant to the Abuse Manager via Support Ticket and also by E-Mail. If any others were present during this exchange, request they also fill out ARs.

~Jessy

It seems to me that the bombshell in the article, really, is the idea that there's an unpublished version of the Community Standards that's being used to flag content. Presumably it's some interpretation of "broadly offensive" that's used (as Malachi points out) on a "case-by-case basis." But the very existence of guidelines that have not been communicated to all residents would be shameful. But also counterproductive, so one wonders if they in fact exist.

(Although, come to think of it, if I actually had such guidelines, I'd be sorely tempted to rename to "Lolita" a lot of objects around my lab. And a "Lady Chatterley" and "Catcher In the Rye," just to be ready for the next RL journalist's visit.)

Why are people putting this much weight in this piece of writing. Unless she a ex linden thats been fired and is getting even. Otherwise I can`t believe any of this.........Again the source is not worthly.

As spoken by Winston Smith in George Orwell's Nineteen Eighty-Four

I think every new Linden has to memorize this before they get their first paycheck.