skinny dipping question

Hi,

I created a skinny dipping area on a private sim rated mature open only to avatars portrayed as being under 18.
While I know that several nudist areas have been told that a nude adult av and a nude child av are not alowed to be in the same area however I can't get any info about a child only nude area and the governance team does not respond.

Anyone got an idea if it would be acceptable?

Of course it would be.

Pep (To whom it would be acceptable is yet another matter)

Why not just lie your way on to the teen grid?

a private sim rated mature, open only to avatars that are portrayed as being under 18??

Trouble.

You'll need to wait for them to stop laughing.

Good luck on getting a response on that. :-/


In a lot of ways, you're taunting the dynamite monkey. SL tends to not allow genitalia or nippes on child avatars to be visible. While they have not been entirely clear on that, their actions have been crystal. People have been IP banned for less.

WHY?

I think you are opening yourself up to many problems and possible AR's. I would strongly suggest you don't do this idea.

See,

this is what i was talking about in the post i made in the other thread about Child Avatars and sex.

Lots of them say "no sex", but it is just a sham.

Of course Ariana's profile says "no sex".

But yet she wants to hang out with nude avatars under 18.

Also, Ariana, you have a BDSM club in your picks.

Good way to RP your child-like-life in SL.

op is CrAzY to consider launching such an attraction. i promise you the hammer will speak if you go ahead with this!

Ok let me put it a better way. If you are playing a child AV (Portraying someone under the age of 1... Would they want to be naked at an area with other under 18 AV's? I highly doubt anyone would actually do it since role playing is involved... no under 18 year old would really do this in RL (Ok, at least not where i live).

But, you are talking about under 18 looking AV's. So, you could have a 17 year old AV there nude... and a 6 year old there... nude. That is where the problem lies. Please don't do this. I fear someone would AR you, your idea gets brought before LL and they ban you for adult/child RP.

The ageplay clarification page (https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/default.asp?deptID=4417) refers specifically to "sexual" or "lewd" behaviors. Many people don't consider skinny dipping to fall into either of those categories, many do. Personally, I think it's a stretch to read that article and conclude that skinny dipping involving child avs would be banned (with or without adult avs). Single-sex nude swimming used to be a very common RL practice for adults and kids, even a requirement at many schools.

Nevertheless, I believe Marianne is correct. The written rules aren't clearly against it, but LL's actions have been. So don't try, unless you're really willing to put in a lot of effort to get an official ruling, with a high chance of either never getting that ruling or getting an answer you don't like.

It's precisely because LL went from a lenient interpretation of the rules to a broad one that people want clearly written, well-defined rules, with many examples.

Very well put. In my personal opinion, this idea would be rejected and used as an example of what shouldn't be done. But again, this is just my opinion.

Um, I would disagree. *most* say no sex and mean no sex. I would suspect I might know one or two more kid avvies than you, too.

Yes but i suspect I know 1 or 2 private sims and places where child sex happens that you do not.

MOST people that put "NO SEX" in their profile are liars.

Easily 8 out of 10 people that i run across who have that little notice are just putting it there for their own personal reasons and do not adhere to it.

Kinda like those people that have "NO DRAMA" in their profile - but yet are full of drama.

Maybe the circles of kid avatars YOU KNOW are different. But the ones I run across "rarely" are.

Jesus, the biggest joke i know is putting "No sex" in your profile.

There are corp employee's here that do all kinds of crazy sex stuff, and when you read their profile it says "NO SEX".

But then when you go to their sim, everyone stopping buy is naked with a girl cock or a kid.

More often than not, when i run across a profile that says "I do not engage in sex in SL", its just a false declaration.

3 letters:

IBM

Nuff said.

Oooh... Skinnydipping? =^-^=

This got me thinking. It's a legitimate point, but where does it end? What if someone has two alts, one clearly a sexual adult AV, one clearly a child AV with no indication of sexual activities. Is that suspect?

If not, then suppose instead of two alts, it's one name, but with two entirely different AVs, and two personas. Does that make it suspect?

If Ariana removes the BDSM club from her picks, does that make it ok? Suppose instead of skinny dipping, there's an area with child AVs wearing the skimpiest permissible swimsuits? Is it ok now?

As long as SL has any sex, it's going to attract people whose interests would be offensive or illegal in RL. No matter where you draw the line, unless it's at zero sex, people are going to walk right up to that line. But is it fair to hassle the people who come close without crossing it? That just moves the line, but doesn't really solve anything.

I'm not sure if I'm reading this right. Are you saying that no one under 18 where you live would consider going skinny dipping at all? Or would do something involving skinny dipping without there being some sexual element?

Either way, I suppose it's a sad illustration of one way society has become more repressive. When I was 14 - many years ago - I personally would have been too repressed to consider such a thing, but I certainly had friends who weren't. Skinny dipping was one of the attractions of going camping; no girls, no other sexual intentions, just the excitement of something harmless but counter to the norms.

This thread is exemplary of why we can't have good things.

Use some common sense.

hmm..

I do not know. Considering the current climate. If i were a child avatar i would avoid anything that could be directly connected to sexual activity: like BDSM clubs in my Picks.



Not suspect, in fact I know a few people who do this already. Have regular adult avatars that do engage in adult activties, are partners and have sex. But then they have these cute child avatars that they log in to play around and have a fun time.

Honestly...Like i said, maybe I am a little jaded by my exposure to the 'secret side' of all this, but even the couple above that i mentioned, i still wonder if they mess around together as child avatars.



Yes. Completely.



You make a very good point here. "is it fair to hassle the people who come close without crossing it". No it probably is not fair. But it does make one suspicious.

You would think that considering LL's view on child avatars and sex that one would distance themselves from any sort of innuendo as a child avatar. This should be the norm, not the extreme. After all, you have chosen to play this role and be 'innocent', therefore you should go out of your way to keep your profile clean of anything that could easily be labeled as sexual.

Stop sounding like a rational big sister!

Is it friday yet?

The fact is, common sense will play out on this one. LL will see this as how most people will see it: Not a good idea for child av's. Why not make it a PG sim and have it be a pool area for child AV's to play? Why the fasination with them being naked?

I don't resort to alts. Immy is my "me". What alts I do have are mostly for crash recovery. That said, I have all the details spelled out in the picks tab of my profile and I quit asserting a numeric age after an event involving a false (and finally corrected) AR. (^_^)

I actually pose the non-sexual nudity question often. It's rarely easy to get a solid answer on the subject. More often than not, the question is responded to with suspicion and toss-back questions. (=_=)

Why would I want to get Little-Immy nakie? Because it's cute, funny, and I wanna. Skinny dipping was like a nice mid-way thing when growing up. It wasn't as blatantly innocent as a game of tag. But, it wasn't as wild as sneaking out to the garden shed to play "doctor". Most of the time, our parents tolerated it... "Go ahead, let yourselves air out!" Grandma would say. (^_^)

I personally can't find anything "lewd" about that. But, that's just me. The person that really matters is the one that holds the banhammer and most of the time he/she ain't talking. Not sure what to do about it but there it is. (T_T)

If anything. Close your whole sim off to group members only, keep the group small and tightly managed, and hope that you do keep things clean if a Linden happens to drop by and try out the SLwim floaties. (^_^)y

Oh, I've known a couple of those as well.

'sides, I was more in disagreement with you implying that all or a majority of those kid avvies out there who don't want to be involved in sexual content are "a sham." That is simply untrue.

Then let me correct it for you.

The majority of people and kid avatars that *i* run across who put "No Sex" in their profile/picks, are a sham. And i do believe the circles i run around are far different from yours. So if you say the majority of kids avatars you know who put NO SEX, mean it, then i believe you.

I also think you have a way cleaner and PG rated life in SL than i do which leads to completely different experiences and exposure to different circles.