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SuezanneC Baskerville
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11-08-2009 16:40
From: Qie Niangao tomorrow's smartphone ... shiny graphics ...physics). I think (hope) we'll get speed,shiny graphics and physics on the handhelds, and even better things on the stationary devices. http://www.tweaktown.com/news/13442/terga_2_will_be_more_than_twice_the_power_of_tegra/Double the speed of the current Tegra, supposedly, dual gpus, and possibly PhysX mobile. From: someone we have on the GPU side of things. As NV pushes Cuda and PhysX we are hearing that Tegra 2 will have Dual GPUs (GeForce 9 based). This will either be for “SLI-Like” performance or as PPU to allow for a mobile PhysX library to be utilized.
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Egil Milner
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11-08-2009 18:57
From: Anya Ristow Be specific. Name names. Where is everyone?
Probably somewhere avoiding help-rejecting complainers.
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Anya Ristow
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11-08-2009 20:27
From: Egil Milner From: Anya Ristow Be specific. Name names. Where is everyone? Probably somewhere avoiding help-rejecting complainers. That's what I thought. They're invisible  Edit: Thanks, Argent, for tossing out some names. See, Egil, his friends aren't invisible 
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-09-2009 03:33
From: Anya Ristow Thanks, Argent, for tossing out some names. See, Egil, his friends aren't invisible  I toss out names every time you go on about this stuff. But if you're expecting people from "social networks" to perk things up, look at the timestamps on Twitter or Facebook. You'll see something like: Monday, 11:00: Man, these are good breakfast burritos. Monday, 11:47: Where are you? Monday, 14:15: I was at Cafe Burrito. Monday, 17:32: Cool, I'll try that tomorrow. Tuesday, 06:41: You're right, these are great. Where are you? Wednesday, 06:08: Sorry, had to skip breakfast yesterday. Cat flossing accident. Wednesday, 06:19: I hate it when that happens. I'm over in the corner. Wednesday, 06:32: Under the giant chalupa? I think I see you. *wave* Thursday, 17:41: *wave* People in SL can be like 20 times as active and STILL miss Anya bopping by asking "hey! Anyone alive here!"
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Rock Vacirca
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11-09-2009 08:07
From: Argent Stonecutter I toss out names every time you go on about this stuff.
But if you're expecting people from "social networks" to perk things up, look at the timestamps on Twitter or Facebook. You'll see something like:
Monday, 11:00: Man, these are good breakfast burritos. Monday, 11:47: Where are you? Monday, 14:15: I was at Cafe Burrito. Monday, 17:32: Cool, I'll try that tomorrow. Tuesday, 06:41: You're right, these are great. Where are you? Wednesday, 06:08: Sorry, had to skip breakfast yesterday. Cat flossing accident. Wednesday, 06:19: I hate it when that happens. I'm over in the corner. Wednesday, 06:32: Under the giant chalupa? I think I see you. *wave* Thursday, 17:41: *wave*
People in SL can be like 20 times as active and STILL miss Anya bopping by asking "hey! Anyone alive here!" From: someone FB and twitter and the rest are not real-time conversation. Misinformation. There are two main methods of communicating in Facebook. The 'What's on your mind' box at the top, for general stuff, and where people can comment on your thought of the day (not real-time, but useful nonetheless for friends that are in different time zones, or at work, and not online at the same time as you); And there is live chat, (icon at bottom right of screen) where you can IM with any of your friends, in real time, that are currently online. Rock
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-09-2009 08:26
From: Rock Vacirca And there is live chat, (icon at bottom right of screen) where you can IM with any of your friends, in real time, that are currently online.
Yes, I know about that, and I use IM services and IRC as well, and the discussions I see and partake of in those places still frequently have timestamps hours or days apart... I exaggerated hardly at all. Being "online" in Facebook doesn't mean you're at your keyboard... you could be "online" in a hidden tab in a minimized window on a computer you haven't been near since you left for work this morning. The kind of continual real-time presence that Anya's talking about... or rather the lack of such presence... is not unique to Second Life.
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James Samiam
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11-22-2009 00:05
What kind of stupid argument is this? Second Life IS a Social Platform among other things. END OF ARGUMENT.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-22-2009 01:14
From: James Samiam What kind of stupid argument is this? Second Life IS a Social Platform among other things. END OF ARGUMENT. James??????? 
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Melita Magic
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11-22-2009 01:55
I'd love to know more about the Unreal engine thing. I got that in a group notice, and meant to go and read it but haven't yet. I assumed it would be a bit dry on info anyway, like a press release.
Blue Mars still strikes me as too corporate and too class structured. Haves/have nots. I always prefer share and share alike...despite its sometimes serious drawbacks. Lol.
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James Samiam
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11-22-2009 01:59
From: Scylla Rhiadra James???????  Scylla??????????  I played BM for the first time today. I found it unbearable. The navigation sucks and doesn't really make any sense. Pointing and clicking over and over again just to walk is annoying. I realize that Blue Mars isn't trying to be Second Life. But there's no need to reinvent the wheel either. The graphics are nice but they should take some pointers from Linden Labs on how to make navigation in a virtual world easy and convenient.
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Scylla Rhiadra
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11-22-2009 08:14
From: James Samiam Scylla??????????  I played BM for the first time today. I found it unbearable. The navigation sucks and doesn't really make any sense. Pointing and clicking over and over again just to walk is annoying. I realize that Blue Mars isn't trying to be Second Life. But there's no need to reinvent the wheel either. The graphics are nice but they should take some pointers from Linden Labs on how to make navigation in a virtual world easy and convenient. You're just upset that they don't have griffin avatars. 
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Ceka Cianci
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11-22-2009 09:01
From: James Samiam Scylla??????????  I played BM for the first time today. I found it unbearable. The navigation sucks and doesn't really make any sense. Pointing and clicking over and over again just to walk is annoying. I realize that Blue Mars isn't trying to be Second Life. But there's no need to reinvent the wheel either. The graphics are nice but they should take some pointers from Linden Labs on how to make navigation in a virtual world easy and convenient. i'm sure they will in the future..look we are like 6 years into SL..it didn't come with all this stuff right out of the box heheheh 
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DanielRavenNest Noe
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11-22-2009 12:31
From: James Samiam Scylla??????????  I played BM for the first time today. I found it unbearable. The navigation sucks and doesn't really make any sense. Pointing and clicking over and over again just to walk is annoying. I realize that Blue Mars isn't trying to be Second Life. But there's no need to reinvent the wheel either. The graphics are nice but they should take some pointers from Linden Labs on how to make navigation in a virtual world easy and convenient. If you look at the poll in the Blue Mars forums about movement and camera controls: http://www.bluemarsonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=577http://www.bluemarsonline.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=577Absolutely *everyone* agrees with you. I'm pretty sure they will change that before coming out of Beta. Currentdeveloper version number is 0.58, so they have a ways to go on that.
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Argent Stonecutter
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11-22-2009 12:53
But will they have griffons? 
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James Samiam
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11-23-2009 00:25
From: Argent Stonecutter But will they have griffons?  Looks just like me!!! @DanielRavenNest Noe - That's great news. I'm very picky about these sorts of things. If it hadn't been fixed, I probably wouldn't play 
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Handy Skytower
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11-23-2009 10:13
From: Jig Chippewa Contact and communication and interaction. Global partnering and intimacy. SL owns that I think.
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Handy Skytower
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11-23-2009 10:28
From: Jesse Barnett I rarely use SL as a social platform anymore but still feel it is vastly superior to Twitter or Facebook which are basically just self-advertisements. There is no other application available ANYWHERE that has given me the depths of conversation that I have experienced in SL with people from all over the world. Discussions that go on for hours upon hours and a connection that is hard to replicate with any other technology including the telephone. The ability to step outside yourself and disconnect from your RL existence gives you the ability to open yourself to possibilities that you could not elsewhere.
How many people on Facebook or Twitter that you know actually list their deepest, darkest fantasies for example? This too Handy
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Handy Skytower
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11-23-2009 10:35
From: Rock Vacirca Misinformation.
And there is live chat, (icon at bottom right of screen) where you can IM with any of your friends, in real time, that are currently online.
Rock Yes, but it must be the worst live chat platform I've ever seen. So many glitches. If someone starts typing while you're typing you lose characters and have to back track. Also, I've been told there are text limits, I've yet to reach them but a friend of mine has. Facebook, for me its just boring, unless you like playing all those silly farming games. Handy
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11-24-2009 11:43
From: Cerise Sorbet Argument for the sake of argument is lame. No it isn't!!
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11-24-2009 11:59
From: Qie Niangao Oh, I agree--for the moment. But with cloud computing pulling stuff off our disks, and mobile devices pulling eyeballs off those desktop screens, a virtual world able to deliver some plausible "VR lite" experience on tomorrow's smartphone will enjoy a game-changing first-mover advantage, especially for a world based on user content and microtransactions (and much less so for those whose mindshare depends on shiny graphics and spine-tingling physics). Mobile phones will probably end up being used mostly for augmented reality. You yourself will be the avatar, and your phone will use the camera to view your surroundings on the phone's screen, and software will use GPS and compass orientation information and exchange information with other phones to identify buildings and people and paint SL-like name tags on them. Sort of like the already existing technology that paints first-down lines on the field on TV for (American) football games, only more sophisticated. Eventually you'll see people walking down the street wearing goggles, talking out loud and making weird Minority Report gestures with their hands. Downside: RL Bloodlines...
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Ponsonby Low
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11-24-2009 15:26
From: Mickey Vandeverre I downloaded "There", the other night, just for a peek.
It was very easy to walk around! But that's probably because the graphics are not as complex. A very friendly and perky gal met me at the welcome area, immediately! And got me all fixed up, with a free outfit. What a novel approach!
I toured a model home, and it seemed that to develop your own home, you must upgrade to an account, and purchase some currency. The model home was very well supplied, with a link to the shopping site, with every click. Good marketing.
From the conversations, that I listened in on....it seemed that most were probably teenagers. And there were quite a few milling about.....maybe 50, in that one spot. No lag. At the moment, I can't visit a spot in SL that has 50 people.
I was in Newb clothing.....and most were quite decked out! So I assumed that all those teenagers got a paid account, and started spending. Now, if only we could get adults to do that!
It certainly wasn't as impressive as SL, and probably not intriguing to adults.....but it seemed to be intriguing to the kids....they were having a blast. I just looked at their download page...wow, can those facial expressions be changed? I don't think I could stand looking at those Used Car Salesman grins for long. (I wonder what they paid for that domain name?)
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11-24-2009 15:31
From: Something Something Mobile phones will probably end up being used mostly for augmented reality. You yourself will be the avatar, and your phone will use the camera to view your surroundings on the phone's screen, and software will use GPS and compass orientation information and exchange information with other phones to identify buildings and people and paint SL-like name tags on them. Sort of like the already existing technology that paints first-down lines on the field on TV for (American) football games, only more sophisticated. Eventually you'll see people walking down the street wearing goggles, talking out loud and making weird Minority Report gestures with their hands. It will be WAY too easy to make every waking moment a 'someone is trying to sell me something' moment: ....How'd those assorted tank tops work out for you, Mr. Yakamoto?
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11-24-2009 18:32
blue mars is pretty... and a consumers nightmare... it's whole premise is a marketing execs wet dream... mass production for faceless masses. and people will go... but I don't think they'll stay... space to be your own unique self, and options to pursue are what keeps people for years. there just isn't enough variety of expression to keep a person from getting bored with it and moving on... dunno about the others (although "There" has some similar flexibility issues as to what you can do)
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11-25-2009 00:37
From: Rock Vacirca ,
......as it does look like many SL residents are actively looking for an alternative, for whatever reason, and the more choice there is, the more likely they will find an alternative that matches their needs.
Rock That part is quite true. Too many questionable policy changes by LL have effected large swathes of the community.....it's hit all types of folk. LL Customer service is almost null and void unless you have "Live Chat" support access. If a credible alternative VW emerges, I think LL would need to worry big time!
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11-25-2009 09:02
From: Something Something Mobile phones will probably end up being used mostly for augmented reality. You yourself will be the avatar, and your phone will use the camera to view your surroundings on the phone's screen, and software will use GPS and compass orientation information and exchange information with other phones to identify buildings and people and paint SL-like name tags on them. Sort of like the already existing technology that paints first-down lines on the field on TV for (American) football games, only more sophisticated. Eventually you'll see people walking down the street wearing goggles, talking out loud and making weird Minority Report gestures with their hands. Downside: RL Bloodlines... Have you ever seen Dennō Coil? If not, you might like it.
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