Bravo Ann Otoole:The Showcase Post
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Lias Leandros
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05-28-2008 10:30
Bravo Ann Otoole for getting in the blog at post 148 and saying the most intelligent thing about the Linden Showcase that has been printed to date. From: Ann Otoole One last focused comment. The “Showcase” inside the client application. The move to remove the gamed and useless “popular Places” tab deserves accolades. However, the decision to replace it with the showcase that includes commercial interests may not have been a wise idea as this move gives the selected merchants an unfair advantage in terms of visibility and cost. I.e.; The merchants on the showcase enjoy a “stamp of approval” from Linden Labs and free advertising in a major way while providing no means of competing to get said advertising advantage to the rest of the SL business community. I will venture a suggestion that it would be wise to have legal counsel review this decision in respect to anti trust law in the USA. Perhaps you should simply order the showcase to include no commercial interests and no interests that are connected in any way with a commercial interest until such time as the market can compete fairly for this type of advertising advantage. In addition, the Bay City sim set may also fall under some anti trust law elements as well. I would suggest you clamp down on “ideas” to stop them from going forward until a serious and comprehensive legal analysis is conducted to ensure Fair Trade practices and law is upheld and maintained in the global marketplace of Secondlife. Perhaps LL needs to hire an intellectual property lawyer to sit in on the various groups, office hours, etc.; and ensure people are not violating any rights or laws during their noble quest to enable a true global marketplace. Implied legal action is usually corporate smelling salts. Perhaps more conversations and groups looking to go into this direction in protest to this Showcase will jar LL out of it's stupor. . .
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Darien Caldwell
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05-28-2008 12:20
Too bad everything she says is wrong. The Sherman Act and Anti-Trust laws have nothing to do with what goes on inside Second Life. Even if the situation was Real Life, they wouldn't even begin to apply. Her post is utterly ridiculous.
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2k Suisei
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05-28-2008 12:35
The showcase benefits Linden Lab and the newcomers to SL. Whether it benefits the content creators is irrelevant.
There's nothing worse than to enter a huge virtual world and not know where to go to find the good stuff. Provided the stuff highly regarded by SL residents in general is listed in the showcase then I don't see a problem.
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Kitty Barnett
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05-28-2008 13:17
I think Showcase makes for a nice addition honestly (although they should probably try to shy away from including stores).
The next time a newbie asks "so... what do I do now?" (about the most common newbie question) you can at least point them to the showcase and they can get a sense of what they can do in SL.
If they find something that appeals to them, or keeps them interested long enough to get passed the learning curve I think they'd naturally progress to the "hey, what else is there? I'll search for something on my own".
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Wildefire Walcott
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05-28-2008 13:26
From: Kitty Barnett I think Showcase makes for a nice addition honestly (although they should probably try to shy away from including stores). Yep.
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Strife Onizuka
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05-28-2008 13:53
I have to agree with Darien on this, newspapers write reviews of restaurants all the time.
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Yumi Murakami
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05-28-2008 13:59
I'm a bit sad to see that the *ONLY* Tutorials listed in the Showcase are Torley's videos. Now, they're good, but there are many other more interactive tutorials around the world. I don't think it's much like a newspaper review, by the way. Newspaper vendors can't superglue them to your eyeballs every time you try to travel anywhere. 
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05-28-2008 14:01
It does showcase how much of a tool Ann is
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05-28-2008 14:05
From: poopmaster Oh It does showcase how much of a tool Ann is haha meanie!! I reckon a lot of intelligent people will share Ann's views. Communists, aliens etc.
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Brenda Connolly
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05-28-2008 15:18
The general consensus goes against the OP's view and I concur. I am troubled that the two posts that I especially liked were from 2K and poopmaster....
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05-28-2008 15:20
From: Brenda Connolly The general consensus goes against the OP's view and I concur. I am troubled that the two posts that I esepcially liked were from 2K and poopmaster.... *whew* So it isn't just me that feels that way. 
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05-28-2008 16:21
You're all slowly catching up to my way of thinking. Give it another two years and you'll be wondering why Strife locked my 'Show us your Vagina!' thread.
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Danielle Harrop
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05-28-2008 16:22
I do think that the showcase is going to become the "linden approved" business listing. There are already businesses listed on there....stores that sell clothing, hair, and other AV furnishings...and may or may not be what the general populace thinks is the best retail shops. The shops in the showcase will be hand picked by Linden Labs, and there-fore will surely be given an unfair advantage for free in the Second Life marketplace. How does one get "Showcased"? By being hand picked by the Lindens who will run it. How do the little guys who may not have the experience and the exposure ever get showcased? We won't.
Call me a tool for feeling that way if you like, but for the content creators who haven't been around forever and those of us who are still trying to break into the SL business world, this Showcase is nothing but Linden favoritism and greased palms.
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Tali Rosca
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05-28-2008 17:09
From: Danielle Harrop How do the little guys who may not have the experience and the exposure ever get showcased? We won't. Call me a tool for feeling that way if you like, but for the content creators who haven't been around forever and those of us who are still trying to break into the SL business world, this Showcase is nothing but Linden favoritism and greased palms. That, or the Lindens who run it may come across awesome small things you never knew existed, and list it there. I think the problem is, though, that word of mouth travels really fast in SL, so by the time something good makes it through the editorial process of a list like this, it already *is* the next big thing. But if they change the listing fast enough, I think it'll be a good springboard for people in general. Having the same shops there for 6 months would be wildly unfair. I say, let's give this list a chance, and see how it'll actually be used, before passing judgment.
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Crighton Johin
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05-28-2008 17:32
I agree with Danielle, mostly from what I see in the music section. I'm not an expert on the others, although I have a hard time believing that the H & R Block region is a Hot Spot. The music Showcase section is a joke, plain and simple. I got an idea. How about using actual jazz venues guys. I know, that is something that makes a lot of sense, so it may be foreign. The "jazz" clubs on that list are horrible. Bogart's....jazz? Yeah, sure.  Phat Cat's? Slightly better. SeaBreeze would do themselves a service by actually playing jazz if they want to be considered a jazz club. Sunset is the same as Bogart's, playing Martini In The Morning. Not horrible, but damn, how about some Miles or Coltrane? Or according to these SL "jazz" clubs, jazz has to have vocals. God forbid they play music that requires actual listening. It's basically lowest common denominator jazz. Smooth jazz and Frank Sinatra, yeah, that's the ticket. About the only club that I've been to on the list and liked is the Blarney. Mannequin....fine if you like horrible techno music. I find the "Showcase" for music to be a joke. They should hire someone who actually knows about music to come up with the list. I am just dying to go to the Let's Talk Music and here what they're talking about. It might be good, but since it's in the Showcase, I'm not holding my breath. "Today, we're going to discuss the deep meanings in Brittany's new album." Hooo!! Yeah, I'm bitter. 
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05-28-2008 17:51
From: Crighton Johin I agree with Danielle, mostly from what I see in the music section. I'm not an expert on the others, although I have a hard time believing that the H & R Block region is a Hot Spot. The music Showcase section is a joke, plain and simple. I got an idea. How about using actual jazz venues guys. I know, that is something that makes a lot of sense, so it may be foreign. The "jazz" clubs on that list are horrible. Bogart's....jazz? Yeah, sure.  Phat Cat's? Slightly better. SeaBreeze would do themselves a service by actually playing jazz if they want to be considered a jazz club. Sunset is the same as Bogart's, playing Martini In The Morning. Not horrible, but damn, how about some Miles or Coltrane? Or according to these SL "jazz" clubs, jazz has to have vocals. God forbid they play music that requires actual listening. It's basically lowest common denominator jazz. Smooth jazz and Frank Sinatra, yeah, that's the ticket. About the only club that I've been to on the list and liked is the Blarney. Mannequin....fine if you like horrible techno music. I find the "Showcase" for music to be a joke. They should hire someone who actually knows about music to come up with the list. I am just dying to go to the Let's Talk Music and here what they're talking about. It might be good, but since it's in the Showcase, I'm not holding my breath. "Today, we're going to discuss the deep meanings in Brittany's new album." Hooo!! Yeah, I'm bitter.  I have to agree with your assesment of the SL Jazz Scene. It is rather derivative. I like Martini in the Morning too, but I'd like to hear some Miles and Trane, and Dizzy too. And some good 70's Fusion like Weather Report and Return to Forever. And definitely more Big Band. Maynard Ferguson, and Stan Kenton and........You get the idea.
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05-28-2008 18:13
From: 2k Suisei You're all slowly catching up to my way of thinking. Give it another two years and you'll be wondering why Strife locked my 'Show us your Vagina!' thread. God thats disturbing...I thought that the day it was locked. 
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Lias Leandros
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05-28-2008 18:22
From: Kitty Barnett The next time a newbie asks "so... what do I do now?" (about the most common newbie question) you can at least point them to the showcase and they can get a sense of what they can do in SL. I do not think anyone signed up for SL to be directed to H and R Block Island.
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05-28-2008 19:09
From: Danielle Harrop I do think that the showcase is going to become the "linden approved" business listing. There are already businesses listed on there....stores that sell clothing, hair, and other AV furnishings...and may or may not be what the general populace thinks is the best retail shops. The shops in the showcase will be hand picked by Linden Labs, and there-fore will surely be given an unfair advantage for free in the Second Life marketplace. How does one get "Showcased"? By being hand picked by the Lindens who will run it. How do the little guys who may not have the experience and the exposure ever get showcased? We won't.
Call me a tool for feeling that way if you like, but for the content creators who haven't been around forever and those of us who are still trying to break into the SL business world, this Showcase is nothing but Linden favoritism and greased palms. Agreed!
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Rene Erlanger
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05-28-2008 19:14
From: poopmaster Oh It does showcase how much of a tool Ann is Uncalled for! She has more intellect in her little finger than you could ever hope to possess. Not saying she's always right, but she does present a good argument.........and stirs people's thoughts!
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05-28-2008 19:21
From: Lias Leandros I do not think anyone signed up for SL to be directed to H and R Block Island. No, I don't think so either. But, remember that April 15th was not that long ago and, despite the fact that many more countries are represented in SL, there is a very large contingent of Americans in this game............H&R Block is something many would be interested in for tax purposes. I can see a very valid reason for H&R Block being a showcase for a bit of time. What I'm getting here is the usual. Whinning because the little guy is left out. The "showcase" places are there because they attract people. They didn't just magically get there for some type of ass kissing. They earned their recognition. Some surely have an advantage simply because they are long time creators and have a very good reputation.........that reputation is not easily developed. It takes time and dedication........."time" is important here. Sure some can become popular in an instant....but it's the staying power that is important. That and name recognition.......which goes back to "time". If you want on the showcase...........get your butt in gear and do the work required. Put in the time to earn your place. Whinning only shows people like me that I'm not likely to be interested. I'll go with the proven every time. My two cents........not lindens, cents. 
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05-28-2008 19:44
From: Rene Erlanger Uncalled for!
She has more intellect in her little finger than you could ever hope to possess. Not saying she's always right, but she does present a good argument.........and stirs people's thoughts! Threatening legal action does not a good argument make.
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05-28-2008 20:06
I find it hard to say that Ann is right or wrong. There's just too little information right now to go on. Depending on how LL handles the showcase it could be go either way. Calling for legal action against it is a bit premature.
What do we know so far about it? Have the stores listed in the showcase changed since it was introduced? Considering this is in RC does it matter yet?
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Peggy Paperdoll
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05-28-2008 20:28
From: Bree Giffen Considering this is in RC does it matter yet? Probably not but the fact that is'already stirred up an mini uproar says a lot.
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05-28-2008 22:22
From: Brenda Connolly I have to agree with your assesment of the SL Jazz Scene. It is rather derivative. I like Martini in the Morning too, but I'd like to hear some Miles and Trane, and Dizzy too. And some good 70's Fusion like Weather Report and Return to Forever. And definitely more Big Band. Maynard Ferguson, and Stan Kenton and........You get the idea. Then come to The Savoy Jazz Club.  My friend, Bill Mondegreen and I opened it, although I deserve small credit in comparison to him. We both spin more straight ahead jazz, in fact I'm playing some Bill Evans right now.  Weather Report coming up along with Diz, and Miles and Trane already played. Our whole idea sprung out of the lack of what we saw in SL. It's a labour of love and we know we will not get rich. Would love to see you sometime. If you love that kind of music, I think you'll like what we're doing. It's not popular, but we seem to be finding our crowd, or they're finding us. And Bill and I are having fun doing it. That's what is important I guess.
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