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no prims on my sim? what the hey...?

Gummi Richthofen
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04-12-2007 06:38
Here I stand in my plot in Nadata. it's big - 12,000M^2 now. I've not developed it much - the cause of great anguish, so I thought I'd buy a few bits, lay them down, all that jazz: after all, when I do an "about land" it says that my parcel supports 2797 prims, of which I have used 433.

BUT!

the SIM says it supports 3273 prims, of which, 3273 are used. So 0 are available; so I'm stuffed. I can't even rez a package for objects that I've bounght and want to unpack.

What the hey...? What's the point in my parcel claiming it can support another 2.364 prims, when somewhere else on the sim, they've been taken up without me knowing about it? How do I identify where they have goine and how the hell does this situation arise in the first place? How can there be any point to buying more land, if this happens?

Very slowly, this is making me really rather angry.
Tyci Kenzo
K2 Owner and Designer
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04-12-2007 06:42
go to your land....click on the land tab..objects..and at the bottom cilck the button to show who is using the prims...those that are not yours click on it and send them back to the owner
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Gummi Richthofen
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04-12-2007 06:44
I'm beside a sandbox, so it's all set ot 5 minute auto-return; all 433 are mine in this parcel.
Annabelle Vandeverre
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04-12-2007 06:45
From: Tyci Kenzo
go to your land....click on the land tab..objects..and at the bottom cilck the button to show who is using the prims...those that are not yours click on it and send them back to the owner



...and then go to each of your parcels and make sure that they're set so other people can't create objects there.

Saw your other post. Is the sandbox yours?? There's no reason if it's not that it should be affecting your ability to create objects.
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Alazarin Mondrian
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04-12-2007 06:49
Have you tried checking the land properties for the other parcels in your sim? Is there any land with no autoreturn? That would be my first port of call.
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Gummi Richthofen
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04-12-2007 06:55
No, the sandbox isn't mine. I'm trawling the sim to see if any parcels are set not to return; one smallish parcel had some objects on that were accident-of-history; when I deleted those, it went back to having 15 available out of a number in the high 3000's, but that "15 available" didn't update the figure in the main large parcel.

Part of the main parcel has been consolidated from some Governor Linden land. I have my suspicions!
Zaphod Kotobide
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04-12-2007 07:05
The Simulator primitive usage statistic shows you the total prims available for your use in the entire region, and how many you've used, throughout all the parcels you own in the region.

What this seems to be suggesting is that somewhere, on a parcel you own in the region, there's a huge load of prims exhausting your total allocation in the region - so you need to hit each parcel you own and check the object use until you find the culprit.
Gummi Richthofen
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04-12-2007 07:10
hmmm - I have show property lines turned on and I've flown around everywhere I can think of - but nothing immediately shows up!
Ee Maculate
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04-12-2007 07:13
Use "show land owners" instead... harder to miss the land you own......
Annabelle Vandeverre
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04-12-2007 07:13
From: Gummi Richthofen
hmmm - I have show property lines turned on and I've flown around everywhere I can think of - but nothing immediately shows up!


Possibly someone has a palace high in the sky, at your prim expense. Just cuz you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. :) I think you'll have to click on each parcel's description and look at the object counts.

Better yet, set your draw distance high, go into edit land, and combine all of the parcels you own into one big one, so you can do it all in one fell swoop.
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Porky Gorky
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04-12-2007 07:16
Ive heard of this before, a long time ago. Im am sure there are/were a few regions that do not support enough prims to fulfil the allotment of each plot within the region. I recal seeing on the forum that people were pissed because as soon as somebody bought a 1024 sqm plot for example, they would rez 117 small prims to secure their allotment. then ultimately the later plot owners had no prim allotment at all. Maybe someone remembers more specific details as my memory is pretty shot :)
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Gummi Richthofen
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04-12-2007 07:28
From: Annabelle Vandeverre
Possibly someone has a palace high in the sky, at your prim expense. Just cuz you can't see it, doesn't mean it's not there. :) I think you'll have to click on each parcel's description and look at the object counts.

Better yet, set your draw distance high, go into edit land, and combine all of the parcels you own into one big one, so you can do it all in one fell swoop.


I didn't think you could combine plots if they don't have borders in common?
Zoha Boa
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04-12-2007 08:11
From: Gummi Richthofen
I didn't think you could combine plots if they don't have borders in common?

yes you can. I have on a sim 3 lands that have NO common borders and I can combine the prims. On 1 land is a mall , the other 2 are of no use. I use them for the prims that I need in the mall.
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Zaphod Kotobide
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04-12-2007 08:15
Prims, yes. Parcels, no. Parcels need to share a border in order to be able to combine them into a single parcel.

From: Zoha Boa
yes you can. I have on a sim 3 lands that have NO common borders and I can combine the prims. On 1 land is a mall , the other 2 are of no use. I use them for the prims that I need in the mall.
Mykyl Nordwind
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04-12-2007 08:17
It's also possible for a large number of objects to be underground. I'm not inworld to check right now, but there is an option somewhere in the client menu to turn off the rendering of the ground - you can then set your camera to a long range and look UNDER all of your parcels.
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Ricky Yates
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04-12-2007 08:45
I just had a look around and it is as I thought: You are owning a couple more small parcels there in the same region.

For example there are 240 sq @ (56,124) and another 512 sq @ (16,123). And there is bound to be more: According to my calculation gven the prim numbers you should have in total about 2048 sq in smaller plots in addition to your large land in the same region,

Now you just have to find them, which should be easy for you: Just fly up to 150 m, then right-click on the ground and select "Edit Terrain". The land will be tinted red (other people), amber (for sale) or green (your land).

{EDIT} You should be able to find the ones with the excessive prim usage easily by looking at the prim usage data in "About Land".
Annabelle Vandeverre
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04-12-2007 08:46
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Prims, yes. Parcels, no. Parcels need to share a border in order to be able to combine them into a single parcel.


Actually I've combined parcels that did not share a border into a single parcel. Three different times. I bought a parcel once too that was in a single parcel, but the land was in two different locations in the sim.
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Dnel DaSilva
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04-12-2007 08:50
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Prims, yes. Parcels, no. Parcels need to share a border in order to be able to combine them into a single parcel.


Nope, they don't.

I had land in Kuula about a year ago before I bought a sim, and I had two plots that were seperated by a Linden road that I combined. I just drew a slection that touched both plots and went accross the road and joined them, simple as that, it just ignored the land I didn't own. This method of course will be limited by some factors such as draw distance.
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Dnel DaSilva
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04-12-2007 08:52
From: Ricky Yates
Now you just have to find them, which should be easy for you: Just fly up to 150 m, then right-click on the ground and select "Edit Terrain". The land will be tinted red (other people), amber (for sale) or green (your land)


or blue for land owned by a group you are a member of.
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Zoha Boa
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04-12-2007 09:01
From: Zaphod Kotobide
Prims, yes. Parcels, no. Parcels need to share a border in order to be able to combine them into a single parcel.

That's correct, i made a mistake
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Gummi Richthofen
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Mystery solved...
04-12-2007 09:13
It was a stone cold case of squatting. I bought a whole set of parcels from my neighbour; the ownership might have transferred OK but those parcels she left separate retained their attributes - I set everything to auto-return other people's crap, because I border the sandbox. The parcel which sucked up all the prims wasn't visible to me because an "enterprising" SLer had very carefully tiled the floor of the parcel right up to the borders, taking advantage of the fact that the most visible border has a sunken edge, and therefore when "show land owners" is on, the green which should have alerted me was entirely covered by their tiled platform of prims.

Aside from the original squatter (Mandy Medusa, do say hi...) who had made about 800 objects, several others had come along including one Zoe Carter, who produced a single ... thing like a caterpillar with 2,600 prims in it.

Now, nobody has contacted me about all this squatting (there's a surprise) and I'm afraid with suich a high number of objects, something funny must have happened, because they seem to have been deleted. Still, nobody would knowingly leave anything important in a location deliberately set up to steal prims, now would they...
Maximillian Desoto
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04-12-2007 09:25
From: Dnel DaSilva
Nope, they don't.

I had land in Kuula about a year ago before I bought a sim, and I had two plots that were seperated by a Linden road that I combined. I just drew a slection that touched both plots and went accross the road and joined them, simple as that, it just ignored the land I didn't own. This method of course will be limited by some factors such as draw distance.



This is the exception. You can join two plots into a single parcel if they are seperated by Linden Protected Land. I have seen numerous plots on both sides of a Linden Road or waterway.

However, if your two plots are seperated by land owned by... say Me, you can combine the prims, but you cannot combine these two plots into one.

Max

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Ricky Yates
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04-12-2007 09:25
This region has a bit of a wild west touch, I've noticed. ;)
Annabelle Vandeverre
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04-12-2007 09:35
From: Maximillian Desoto

However, if your two plots are seperated by land owned by... say Me, you can combine the prims, but you cannot combine these two plots into one.


How many times do I have to say that I have done this exact thing before people will believe me???

I have joined multiple parcels into one parcel that did not have a common boundary. All of them were separated by someone else's land - not Linden owned land. I have done this in Bagworm, Quat, and Roslyn.

The only time I've found that I couldn't do this was when I was on a sim border and accidentally included land in the box that was outside the sim.
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Rhyph Somme
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04-12-2007 09:37
From: Gummi Richthofen
It was a stone cold case of squatting. I bought a whole set of parcels from my neighbour; the ownership might have transferred OK but those parcels she left separate retained their attributes - I set everything to auto-return other people's crap, because I border the sandbox. The parcel which sucked up all the prims wasn't visible to me because an "enterprising" SLer had very carefully tiled the floor of the parcel right up to the borders, taking advantage of the fact that the most visible border has a sunken edge, and therefore when "show land owners" is on, the green which should have alerted me was entirely covered by their tiled platform of prims.

Aside from the original squatter (---------------, do say hi...) who had made about 800 objects, several others had come along including one -------------, who produced a single ... thing like a caterpillar with 2,600 prims in it.

Now, nobody has contacted me about all this squatting (there's a surprise) and I'm afraid with suich a high number of objects, something funny must have happened, because they seem to have been deleted. Still, nobody would knowingly leave anything important in a location deliberately set up to steal prims, now would they...


I would remove those names. :cool:

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