an ongoing case of harassment..What can be done?
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Royce Boa
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11-21-2007 09:45
A friend of mine is being harassed by her neighbor. Let me explain the situation for you, and then maybe get some advice on how to handle it.
My friend's skybox is 500 meters in the air. Her neighbor is on the ground way below. He runs a store down there. The little patch of grass beside his store that is my neighbor's land is clear and clean. This person has never even spoke to my friend once. They don't know each other, and until now stayed clear of each other completely.
Last week, my friend logged on to find about 12 HUGE oval prims covering her whole house, basically trapping her inside of it. He had anchored them to his land but somehow was able to surround her skybox with them. I'm a little unclear how he managed to do that. Anyways, she complained to LL, and they were promptly removed.
Now, this neighbor has built a big cube right up against her skybox (still on his property) but it has been done in such a way that is useless to his build, but interferes with the look of hers quite a bit. We have reported him a few times now, and I've been iming him daily to take it down.
Now, obviously he can build whatever he wants on his property, but I think because the first incident was such a clear example of harassment that LL should view this as a continuation of that initial abuse.
Is there anything more I can do to help her out?
thanks.
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Har Fairweather
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11-21-2007 09:48
A suitable big screen at the property line should help a lot.
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Joseph Abel
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11-21-2007 09:50
Perhaps too obvious a question, but has she tried speaking with the neighbor to find out what could be the problem?
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Cristalle Karami
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11-21-2007 09:51
Something tells me he's trying to get her to move, without making an offer on her land, or is trying to browbeat her into buying his land. Is his land for sale? Unfortunately, he is entitled to build right up to his property line and is well within his rights to put up an ugly box.  This is unfortunately legal because it doesn't encroach on her property. The best thing for your friend to do is take a snapshot of sky from the other side, put up a huge prim or two on his side of the box, and block out the view. 
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Qie Niangao
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11-21-2007 09:52
Do we know *why*? In the absence of any other information, it sounds a bit like the neighbor has it in mind to buy your friend's property, cheap. Maybe the parcel could be put up for sale for a tidy sum--perhaps just enough to pay for a comparable parcel on that yummy WindLit shoreline somewhere.
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Royce Boa
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11-21-2007 09:52
From: Joseph Abel Perhaps too obvious a question, but has she tried speaking with the neighbor to find out what could be the problem? She has..and he won't even talk to her.
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Joseph Abel
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11-21-2007 09:56
If he won't speak with her, then I like the idea of setting the land for sale as well (good idea Qie) - at a "just" unreasonable value...hell, set it will within the unreasonable bracket.
Hopefully this neighbor of hers will find it worth his money to buy her out.
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Royce Boa
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11-21-2007 09:58
From: Cristalle Karami This is unfortunately legal because it doesn't encroach on her property. The best thing for your friend to do is take a snapshot of sky from the other side, put up a huge prim or two on his side of the box, and block out the view.  The picture thing is worth a try..ugh. Thanks. Good idea.
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Sling Trebuchet
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11-21-2007 10:00
It sounds like a copy of *his* skything might sit nicely on the ground right on the boundary of her land beside his store. Maybe he's talk then, if only to tell her how ugly her ground build is  Don't keeping IM'ing him though. That's harassment.
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Royce Boa
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11-21-2007 10:02
Now, what about the first incident where he covered her house in prims? LL already stepped in and had him remove them. Shouldn't this big block be considered an evolution of his initial harassment?
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Adz Childs
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11-21-2007 10:06
Move the entire skybox home up or down in 50m increments... make him have to rez a dozen of those cubes. Wait a while for a peaceful resolution.. wait 2 weeks for LL to intervene or for this guy to come around. I doubt either will happen. Then, if there is nothing left to try, retaliate. You are at an advantage, because you are in the sky, and he is on the ground. With a business on the ground level, he would be more harmed by a tit-for-tat attack. just sayin'. Make a texture that says in bold text "Remove your mega-prim at 500m, and I will promptly remove this one." put it on a mega prim at ground level, and face it towards his store. Make sure it doesn't encroach on his property.
I found an effective way to stop parcel encroachment (if AR's and IM's aren't getting immediate results) is to put up ugly plywood right at my property line, to remind my neighbors where the property line is, and to demonstrate what it would look like if I just built whatever I wanted right at their back door. Thats not exactly what you're going through, but it is a demonstration of how to lay out a firm boundary without resorting to breaking any rules.
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Adz Childs
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11-21-2007 10:08
From: Sling Trebuchet It sounds like a copy of *his* skything might sit nicely on the ground right on the boundary of her land beside his store. Maybe he's talk then, if only to tell her how ugly her ground build is  Don't keeping IM'ing him though. That's harassment. Beat me to it 
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Starfire Desade
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11-21-2007 10:10
From: Royce Boa Now, what about the first incident where he covered her house in prims? LL already stepped in and had him remove them. Shouldn't this big block be considered an evolution of his initial harassment? Yes, but most likely they will not do anything (considering it is a resident-resident dispute) since the box is on his land. I agree... if his property is not for sell, set her property for sale at an unreasonable amount and see if he buys.
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DancesWithRobots Soyer
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11-21-2007 10:10
I favor cutting the land into 32 4x4 blocks with orange and green neon spinning for sale sign on them. Priced at oh. . .I dunno. . .say, L9k each or so.
Seems to work for everyone else.
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Starfire Desade
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11-21-2007 10:12
From: Adz Childs Then, if there is nothing left to try, retaliate. You are at an advantage, because you are in the sky, and he is on the ground. With a business on the ground level, he would be more harmed by a tit-for-tat attack. just sayin'. Make a texture that says in bold text "Remove your mega-prim at 500m, and I will promptly remove this one." put it on a mega prim at ground level, and face it towards his store. Make sure it doesn't encroach on his property. Well... you could always put a competitor's advertisment on the megaprim...
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Ravanne Sullivan
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11-21-2007 10:16
From: DancesWithRobots Soyer I favor cutting the land into 32 4x4 blocks with orange and green neon spinning for sale sign on them. Priced at oh. . .I dunno. . .say, L9k each or so.
Seems to work for everyone else. Neon spinning signs explaining just what this person is doing and let all his customers see just what kind of person they are dealing with.
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Maelstrom Janus
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11-21-2007 12:50
Several people say this person has the right to build what he wants on his own land - Id disagree and use the follow paragraph from community standards to back my argument up -
Disturbing the Peace Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace
Note the bit about objects inhibiting another residents enjoyment of sl.
Keep on filing reports and get onto live inworld help until they do something.It seems to me that sometime Lindens are two slow in enforcing the rules they set out.
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Ricardo Harris
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11-21-2007 13:18
A shop owner involved? It figures. Now why doesn't this surprise me, after all they're not the ones with sl's biggest egos, right.
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Chris Norse
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11-21-2007 13:21
From: Maelstrom Janus Several people say this person has the right to build what he wants on his own land - Id disagree and use the follow paragraph from community standards to back my argument up -
Disturbing the Peace Every Resident has a right to live their Second Life. Disrupting scheduled events, repeated transmission of undesired advertising content, the use of repetitive sounds, following or self-spawning items, or other objects that intentionally slow server performance or inhibit another Resident's ability to enjoy Second Life are examples of Disturbing the Peace
Note the bit about objects inhibiting another residents enjoyment of sl.
Keep on filing reports and get onto live inworld help until they do something.It seems to me that sometime Lindens are two slow in enforcing the rules they set out. When it comes down to practice, if it doesn't harm performance or trespass on to her land, LL will just call it a resident/resident dispute and not do anything. Which in all probability is a good thing. Unless you want Dumbass Linden making a judgment call on whether or not your build it disturbing the peace. They can't even get it straight which gambling devices are banned and which are not. Do you really want them trying to decide if your build is allowable or not?
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Chris Norse
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11-21-2007 13:22
From: Ricardo Harris A shop owner involved? It figures. Now why doesn't this surprise me, after all they're not the ones with sl's biggest egos, right. No, that would be me, I don't own a shop.
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Maelstrom Janus
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11-21-2007 13:29
From: Chris Norse When it comes down to practice, if it doesn't harm performance or trespass on to her land, LL will just call it a resident/resident dispute and not do anything. Which in all probability is a good thing. Unless you want Dumbass Linden making a judgment call on whether or not your build it disturbing the peace. They can't even get it straight which gambling devices are banned and which are not. Do you really want them trying to decide if your build is allowable or not? READ THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS... If an object is an annoyance to a group of people surely it isnt up to lindens decide the object is by the rules lindens set out upsetting peoples enjoyment of sl.
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Chris Norse
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11-21-2007 13:32
From: Maelstrom Janus READ THE COMMUNITY STANDARDS...
If an object is an annoyance to a group of people surely it isnt up to lindens decide the object is by the rules lindens set out upsetting peoples enjoyment of sl. Ok, Maelstrom, I get all my friends to buy land surrounding your build. We all AR your build because I don't like you. Should the Lindens delete your build? (note the above is an example, I have no feelings about you one way or the other.)
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Cole Riel
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11-21-2007 13:36
Hey look!
The op didn't mention names. I bet some of these forums do-gooders are sad they lost the chance to drop what they were doing to run to tell him naming names are against the law.
Yes, because here instead of dealing with the issue at hand they rather admonish for naming names as if that was more important to the op. As it always seems the case, people who name others aren't new to these forums and they already know all about it so there's no need to scold them about it.
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Maelstrom Janus
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11-21-2007 13:36
From: Chris Norse Ok, Maelstrom, I get all my friends to buy land surrounding your build. We all AR your build because I don't like you. Should the Lindens delete your build?
(note the above is an example, I have no feelings about you one way or the other.) well that would be my unfortunate luck wouldnt it....but of course that could work both ways and you dont need a build to be objectionable
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Colette Meiji
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11-21-2007 13:38
From: Chris Norse Unless you want Dumbass Linden making a judgment call on whether or not your build it disturbing the peace. T Is Dumbass Linden a name? a title? or a catagory? Or just a redundant adjective?
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