The use of openspace sims

Ive been reading about openspace sims and saw this on the SL website

"They are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way."

In these forums ive seen people say that they are ideal for building a store on, a home, renting out to others for homes, inworld ive seen them with 4-5 homes on...the people who get them and blatantly disregard the reason they are provided ie: water toys, wide open spaces to add to your existing sim etc...are making other landlords feel the heat. They can offer more prims, more space, vast stretches of water (which is what im always asked for with a home) How can we compete with this?

It also states that 4 openspace sims use one CPU...so....how would you feel if someone in the other 3 is OVER utilising their openspace and making your performance pretty rubbish? They already state they wont get involved in *performance related issues* if they are not being used in the manner they have said.

Fai

Yeah, lots of potential problems lurking there. I wonder how many people are going to end up renting a piece of an openspace sim, not even knowing it's different from any other estate land...?

As far as I am aware it's fine, they just have lower prims than regular sims, and a different type of server? I could be wrong but I know many people using them for building on and Residental Use, and no problems.

No not at all...see below

"Whereas normal estates run on their own dedicated CPU, the Openspace regions run four per CPU; this limits their performance, as you would expect. Openspaces only ever share with other Openspaces on a server.

It is therefore important to understand what these regions are. They are provided for light use only, not for building, living in, renting as homes or use for events. As a stretch of open water for boating or a scenic wooded area they are fine, but we do not advise more serious use than this and will not respond to performance issues reported should you not use them in this way."

Soooooo....when someone actually gets one of these and shares the CPU with the other 3, and jonnny landlord has built 5 homes on one, a store on another, and script heaven on number 3...how is the performance going to be effected on YOUR openspace sim...doubt the jet-ski's / powerboat would run very well .

Can you report / AR them for this mis-use?

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appologies....after rambling on i see this has been hashed and rehashed on another posting....amazingly though...some people ARE stating that these are FINE for rentals & stores...directly opposing what it says on this web site about them!

haha this will be the new Mega Prim thing... "They're fine to use" and "They're not fine to use..."

I could see the open sims being nice for pure wild area sims

I'd like to see some done up as forests, or savannas (know a couple that would love to see a nice one)

Ooh me too!

I would not recommend them for renting small parcels, shops, a club or a mall, with everyone there running bunches of scripts. However, for residential purposes of maybe up to 4 people they are really nice. Especially if these people know and accept the limits of these SIMs. (How often are all the people living on a SIM online and at the SIM at the same time anyways?)

i wouldnt recoomend it at all...everyone loves their scripted gear...youd be surprised how quickly scripts buildup..and with the usual mentality of *its not MY scripts* causing the problem...im figuring youd run into trouble pretty quickly..bottom line is...they are NOT intended for residential use...period.

oh AND...a lot of scripts run continually...ie: fish...doesnt have to have people all there together to be causing aproblem..and whut about the people on the other 3 sims sharing the cpu?

It would be good if there were a LSL function, that if there were no Avatars in the sim scripts could use it to pause or shutdown untill an avatar was detected. Who knows how much serbver power is used flashing neons for days between visitors.

ive often thought the same thing too...must be possible surely?

That is too much black&white thinking. It very much depends on

a) do you share your SIM with anyone at all? If you are alone, great.
b) who do you share with? Are they friends you can talk to if necessary, great.
c) who is the Estate owner? Does he care about his customers and if necessary takes action against abusers?
d) do you have estate manager rights? If so, you can restart the SIM and push it on a different server if you feel that it is affected by the SIMs you share the server with.
e) again estate manager rights: if you have them, you can control the script load easily and find heavy scripts and look for alternatives.

Honestly, did you ever live on such a SIM? I do. Most of the critic comes from people who only look at the technical facts but really have no idea about how these SIMs really run.

i manage 8 normal sims and live on one..im very well aware of the technical capabilities & resources and also see how *hidden* scripts ,like listeners can really louse up a sims resources and cause lag, also people who use prim rezzers to get more for their penny (and oh GOD thats a whole nother hot potato issue lol)...Linden labs have not designed these sims for residential use..so why do it?

Any Sim owner who is using these void sims for residential is blatantly disregarding their intended purpose. BUT....im just being black & white. .and when you suddenly find your dream home bogged up to its ears in lag because neighbouring users on other void sims ARENT going to be possibly as responsible as you think youre going to be...who will help you or your sim owner then? There will be and is a boom in these type of sims, will you restart it every day to chase away the demon lag? im thinking not...

oh i see why youre so keen on residential for these type of sims now..you sell them/rent them?

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I'd love an open-space sim for my store, but I don't like renting land so won't unless LL decides to sell them individually without already owning a full-sim.

I'm a performance perfectionist, so my store-scripts contribute about 600 instructions/second to sim-load, and I have one physical item (an elevator) that doesn't even need to be used to navigate. But to have a full-sim of water would be perfect.

Well, I live on a 1/4 Sim parcel with 936 prims. I Love it, and I have the "normal," usual things there, to include a house, fully furnished, a garden area, a pond with ducks and swans and several other scripted items. I have no problem with lag and few neighbors. In other words, a wonderfully peaceful, relaxing place!!

And I live on one myself, have friends living on some for just the running costs. So I *dare* to correct wrong conceptions about them - especially if they are put into public by people who have no personal experience about what they are talking about. In my own advertising I very clearly point out what low prim SIMs are and what limits exist with them.

I have had some strange stuff happen with really short timers on openspace sims.

Even with barely any time dilation a timer of llSetTimerEvent(0.01) or 0.1 triggers like it is at 2.0.
Meanwhile a timer of 1.0 triggers like it is at 1.1.

it seems that llGetTimeDilation can be highly inaccurate on openspace sims.

i dare to also have an opinion having, stayed and played on one also The reason i looked into these void sims is actually because i was curious to find out why it had such differing peaks of performance on various days... And now ive found out why...they were never intended for residential use.

I saw your other posts about them...advertising them for sale & rent...whic is in direct opposition of the intention of use for these *spaces*...i think your comments may be very strongly coloured by your activities, which is cool...i just dont happen to take so much notice of them though.

Then - in my advertising - you should have read what I write about their limits

About for what use they are intended for: I think LL doubling the prims from 1875 to 3750 just recently made kinda clear that they are usable for more than just sailing through. The original definition is from times when class 3 and 4 servers were the majority - for 18 months now or so all new sims come on class 5.

A class 5 low prim sim, that suffers from ongoing performance problems, is not a sign of a poor product but a sign of poor service and monitoring by the estate owner and managers and/or of wrong use (like malls, clubs and so on).

I think they've improved performance and others have said they work fine for low resource usage, the problem is, you can never guarantee what the other open spaces you're sharing a cpu with are doing. I think that's why Linden Lab stick to the open space line. The most complaints I've heard about are regarding scripts.

yes, ive heard bothsides of the coin...and i agree, for some it might be fab...ut im always wondering for the dew i hear are having the time of their lives with their scripted animals etc...whats life like for the others on the sharing the cpu side? Pretty miserable id say.