Reporting Underage Accts
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 11:02
From: Conan Godwin Not a normal 16 year old - only one with significant mental illness already. Even if they haven't had sex, most of them have seen enough porn to get the idea. Again you're making assumptions... that have maybe some basis.. but not enough for me. I don't like your views of the youth of this world but oh well... I can deal with that Anyway yes a normal 16 yr old. How many places in RL or internet can you find images of someone being gangraped by tentacles, demons, etc while hanging from a chain in a dungeon and being whipped? I'd be scared if I hadn't seen tons of porn and such... But aside from the visuals, the emotional aspects of SL can be more damaging to a younger person. 16 yr old.. thinks they fall in love.. blahblah... it happens easier than more experienced adults in my opinion, and so can hurt them easier
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 11:04
From: Okiphia Rayna Again you're making assumptions... that have maybe some basis.. but not enough for me. I don't like your views of the youth of this world but oh well... I can deal with that
Anyway yes a normal 16 yr old. How many places in RL or internet can you find images of someone being gangraped by tentacles, demons, etc while hanging from a chain in a dungeon and being whipped?
I'd be scared if I hadn't seen tons of porn and such...
But aside from the visuals, the emotional aspects of SL can be more damaging to a younger person. 16 yr old.. thinks they fall in love.. blahblah... it happens easier than more experienced adults in my opinion, and so can hurt them easier Still, you have to be pretty mentally unstable already to be hurt by seeing those things - even more so to think you have fallen in love on a video game. I maintain that a normal, healthy person would not be harmed by any of these things.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 11:06
From: Conan Godwin even more so to think you have fallen in love on a video game I suppose I'm pretty messed up then? Real people interacting with real people on any level can result in feelings of lust and/or love. Real ones. In the mentally stable. Either that or I'm insane along with tons of others, especially those who met in SL and actually *gasp* got married!!!
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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12-05-2007 11:11
From: Adz Childs Don't you think they might be a little creeped-out to find out that they were actually hitting on a minor? and everyone knows it but them? I'm sorry, but that is f'ed up. What, do you suppose this is the only legal minor on SL? At least this one is there being supervised by her parents, instead of the teenyboppers I heard on voice one day at Awesome Designs, giggling over the fact that they saw a slave, and were openly discussing and being discussed as potential slaves by the obviously older adults talking to them. Or how about those that are on SL with no supervision, and actually going through with the sexual fantasies? My daughter handles herself in a mature fashion, is proud of her avatar's virgin status, and intends to keep it that way, much as she does in RL. You can get pissed off all you want. This minor isn't here to get in trouble or to be trouble to anyone else. She doesn't lead anyone on, she just gracefully bows out of the situation. Who you should be getting pissed at is the parents who don't know or care that their children are on the adult grid, or know and don't supervise.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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12-05-2007 11:13
From: Colette Meiji Hmm that sounds like the answer to a question.
"Heres what you need to do"
Is that an answer to the question -
"I know someone I think is underage in Second Life, what should I do?"
Or is that the specific statement.
"Heres what you need to do" as in a directive that you must report underage people you are aware of. The wording just doesn't sound like its a complete stand alone statement. You generally wouldn't start a passage with "Heres what you need to do" The question was: From: Daniel Regenbogen Is there actually a rule that we have to report it?
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Colette Meiji
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12-05-2007 11:16
From: Kaimi Kyomoon The question was: That was the question in the knowledge base information? Or the question here in this thread?
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Caroline Ra
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12-05-2007 11:19
From: Kaimi Kyomoon According to Caroline. Thats according to the Knowledge Base...it says they take action IF an avi has stated that they are under 18. Now ,whether or not someone wants to report an avi that states in chat that they are under 18 would be up to the individual I guess. But it seems pretty clear from that Knowledge Base section that they dont take action or even want to know if someone just 'suspects' an avi of being underage....I'll post the relevant part again.... We can't accept hearsay or rumors, so "I heard that so-and-so is a young teen" or "That griefer behaves like they belong on the Teen Grid!" don't count. "Confessions" on external instant messaging programs or any areas outside of Second Life itself can't be investigated either.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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12-05-2007 11:21
From: Colette Meiji That was the question in the knowledge base information?
Or the question here in this thread? Post #30 in this thread.
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Kidd Krasner
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12-05-2007 13:43
From: Dnali Anabuki If there is a small chance that this person is needs help in some way, than the act of filing an AR is a small step to take.
The act of filing an AR is likely to result in one of three things: 1. The person is really an adult, and now has a whole lot of hassle to get back into SL. 2. The person is really an adult and gives up SL in frustration. 3. The person is underage, and simply gets another alt. Filing an AR isn't about helping them. As has been said several times, it's about legal liability.
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Kidd Krasner
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12-05-2007 14:00
From: Okiphia Rayna
Anyway yes a normal 16 yr old. How many places in RL or internet can you find images of someone being gangraped by tentacles, demons, etc while hanging from a chain in a dungeon and being whipped?
Wasn't that a scene on Futurama? From: someone I'd be scared if I hadn't seen tons of porn and such...
I expected you to describe some other reaction. But scared? From a cartoon? we're talking about 16 year olds, not 6 year olds. Besides, if they are scared by it, they'll stay away, and wouldn't that be a good thing? From: someone But aside from the visuals, the emotional aspects of SL can be more damaging to a younger person. 16 yr old.. thinks they fall in love.. blahblah... it happens easier than more experienced adults in my opinion, and so can hurt them easier
Personally, I believe I was far more damaged by our overprotective society keeping such information and experiences from me when I was a teen. I had no clue what being gay meant. I just wasn't interested in dating, and as a result, had no motivation to do the sort of activities that are important to develop social skills at that age. How exactly would a teen, who more likely than not is searching for such images, going to be hurt by finding them? I wish that when I was a teen, I had had some way to understand why I was different, and some other way to meet more people like me - even if just online.
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Hugsy Penguin
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12-05-2007 14:46
From: Colette Meiji That was the question in the knowledge base information? Or the question here in this thread? The article previously quoted by Caroline Ra (in post #  comes under the title "How to report an underage Resident in Second Life". It's written in a somewhat informal style so the phrase "here's what you need to do" shouldn't be equated to "you are required by Linden Lab to do the following or else you will face disciplinary action yourself". As far as I know, there's no rule that requires residents report underage users. Edit to Add: The only other article that's returned when searching for the word "underage" is titled "Underage Reporting in Second Life" and mostly talks about how they handle the reports. There's no mention of required reporting. However, the Age Verification FAQ has the following question which touches on the general topic of LL's stand on what residents should do if they come across something illegal/inappropriate: From: KB: What if I come across very mature content on land that does not ban unverified adults? As has occurred in other cases, we expect our Residents to report such activity. As has always been the case, Residents are morally, socially and legally responsible for their actions and content in Second Life. Clearly, any illegal activity or content will be investigated and appropriate action will be taken. We expect the community to continue to be effective and responsible in ensuring that Residents are sufficiently protected from potentially inappropriate and/or offensive content that is adult in nature.
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Sweet Primrose
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12-05-2007 16:03
Just want to point out that most scholars of Biblical times think Mary was about 13 years old when she had baby Jesus. So I guess God thinks age 12 is sufficient for consent. Happy Holidays!
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3Ring Binder
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12-05-2007 16:13
From: ZeeScarlet Zenovka I'm hoping some of my fellow residents can help me out on this one. Recently it has been brought to my attention that someone not of age is playing in SL...now ..this of course is not unheard of....but what DOES concern me is this child is engaging in deviant sexual practices (also not unheard of) in game. Aside from rumors about this person being significantly underage...there are of course the obvious signs.... No payment info Only on during after school hours Child like voice. RL pic in where they appear to be 15 or 16 I have never been one to report someone as I always felt it wasn't my business....and theres always the "what if I'm wrong!" factor.......but is there any way lindon can intervene and make sure this person is of age? Thanks in advance. many people meet this criteria. if you really feel this person is underage, follow your own instincts. i mean serisouly..... did you REALLY need to ask us for this advice?
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Emily Triskaidekaphobia
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12-05-2007 17:37
From: Giz Ihnen I was wondering about this myself. I had someone recently tell me in IM that they are 13. I made this statement myself once then realized how it sounded after the other person said "whoah ..." and clarified  (See: my name, which means "fear of 13"  . What I MEANT was that I "embrace the NUMBER 13", that I'm the one to BE feared not the one afraid of 13 ... I'm actually 40. As far as voice. I have a dear friend who is a few years younger than me, and on the phone she sounds about ten.
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Kyrah Abattoir
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12-05-2007 17:43
There is a simple way to handle this issue.
NOT GIVING A DAMMN
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 19:59
From: Okiphia Rayna I suppose I'm pretty messed up then? Real people interacting with real people on any level can result in feelings of lust and/or love. Real ones. In the mentally stable. Either that or I'm insane along with tons of others, especially those who met in SL and actually *gasp* got married!!! Yes. Unless they then met in real life and started a real life relationship. Then it counts.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 20:09
From: Conan Godwin Yes. Unless they then met in real life and started a real life relationship. Then it counts. But not until then? Nice to know.
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 20:10
From: Okiphia Rayna But not until then?
Nice to know. Glad we've got that cleared up.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 20:14
From: Conan Godwin Glad we've got that cleared up. me too. Now I know that my Family in SL whom I love and who loves me would be just fine if I disappeared.. wouldn't even care I guess. They're sane, so there's no way they could be attached to me, right?
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 20:15
From: Okiphia Rayna me too. Now I know that my Family in SL whom I love and who loves me would be just fine if I disappeared.. wouldn't even care I guess. They're sane, so there's no way they could be attached to me, right? Assuming they're sane of course. They might be loopy and give a rats ass. I like your flexible approach to the word "family" too.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 20:18
From: Conan Godwin Assuming they're sane of course. They might be loopy and give a rats ass.
I like your flexible approach to the word "family" too. Oh of course they might be, along with most of the people I know in Sl.. guess I just attract crazy people.. maybe we just all like each other or something And I have two definitions. family and Family. family being relatives. Family being anyone whom I care about and love, and who cares about me and loves me (Or who I believe to) as well.
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 20:20
From: Okiphia Rayna Oh of course they might be, along with most of the people I know in Sl.. guess I just attract crazy people.. maybe we just all like each other or something
I wouldn't take it as a reflection on you personally; Second Life attracts crazies, so the laws of probability suggest that those will be the people you meet. Of course I'm not suggesting that people who meet online can't like each other - or at the very least they can like the persona that the other person is choosing to portray (since that's all we can do in real life anyway). But to think that you are in love with someone you have never met is not only foolishness, but it devalues the very concept of love and turns it into some cheap ammusement park sideshow.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 20:22
From: Conan Godwin I wouldn't take it as a reflection on you personally; Second Life attracts crazies, so the laws of probability suggest that those will be the people you meet. So then are you crazy? Or.. how would I know? Maybe you're a pathological liar too..or you just aren't aware of it!? Cause wasn't until our lovely discussion.. it's good to know.
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 20:26
From: Okiphia Rayna So then are you crazy? Or.. how would I know? Maybe you're a pathological liar too..or you just aren't aware of it!? Cause wasn't until our lovely discussion.. it's good to know. I suppose you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. That's up to you; it doesn't alter my life whatsoever what anyone choses to think of me. The only people whose opinions actually matter to me are prospective employers in real life, as their opinions actually have some consequence. Beyond that, everyone else is just background noise really.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 20:31
From: Conan Godwin I suppose you'll just have to take my word for it. Or not. That's up to you; it doesn't alter my life whatsoever what anyone choses to think of me. The only people whose opinions actually matter to me are prospective employers in real life, as their opinions actually have some consequence. Beyond that, everyone else is just background noise really. Who's to say I'm not a prospective employer, who has hired somebody to find you online to test your mental capacity and opinions to discover whether or not I could agree with havig you among my fleet of minions...employees. Maybe someday we'll meet and somehow know and I'll kill you. Or you'll kill me. And it could all be a result of this conversation. Of course, this is following the assumption we're both crazy. If only one of us was, this whle conversation could be very wrong indeed. Maybe you are and I'm the sane one, thereby allowing the fact that perhaps all of my friends and Family are perfectly sane and it is you and those like you are insane. Of course... it doesn't really matter and never will, as you said, but I have so enjoyed our conversation. Haven't you? Comparing ideas, thoughts, opinions... a good waste of time in my opinion.
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