Reporting Underage Accts
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Colette Meiji
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12-05-2007 09:54
From: Kaimi Kyomoon I agree.
In RL I was a "mandated reporter" for some years. That means that because of my job I was required by law to report any suspicions I ever had of any child being being neglected, abused or otherwise in danger. I still feel it is the responsibility of all of us to protect all children.
You did in this RL circumstance KNOW they were children, of course.
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Colette Meiji
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12-05-2007 10:00
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook I put my 17-yo daughter on the main grid, because I felt that there, I'd be able to give her more help learning SL, more help financially, and keep an eye on her myself, instead of having her on the teen grid, that I'm unable to access. She will frequently come to the club I manage because she feels comfortable there...while we have strippers, they don't get naked very often...and if they do, she goes somewhere at that time. But most of the regulars at that club know she's 17, and are ok with it, because she carries herself appropriately. Ironically, a couple of them will contact me if she's there and someone is making obvious moves on her, just to let me know, and they are protective of her. Overall, I really feel she's better protected on the main grid. I agree that there are certain areas of SL that minors shouldn't be in...hell, there are many *I* shouldn't be in. But unless you see a minor being extremely offensive, or in an adult situation that could harm them emotionally...I'd stay out of it. This is committing fraud. There no current option that says, "Its okay for minors to be on the main grid as long as they have parental supervision" If that has changed maybe someone can cite it for us.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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12-05-2007 10:23
From: Colette Meiji You did in this RL circumstance KNOW they were children, of course. Right. And I agree that in SL it's not quite as simple. I actually believe there are teenagers who are bright and mature enough to be safe in SL. (And apparently there are adults who get their hearts broken, etc. etc.) Also if they don't say they are underage I wouldn't assume they are. The last time I was carded in a rl bar I was almost 40 and when I was in my late 40's people on the phone mistook me for my teenage step-daughter all the time. And I find the whole idea of policing other people to be disturbing. But all in all if it comes up for me again that someone tells me they are under-age I think I'll probably follow the rules and report it.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 10:25
If you are underage when you join, but then become 18 and then they find out you were underage can you be banned?
Brought on by the 17 yr old daughter post...my though process might be odd lol
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Daniel Regenbogen
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12-05-2007 10:25
From: Kaimi Kyomoon And I find the whole idea of policing other people to be disturbing. But all in all if it comes up for me again that someone tells me they are under-age I think I'll probably follow the rules and report it. Is there actually a rule that we have to report it?
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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12-05-2007 10:26
*shrug* She's my child, and I feel far better having her with me in a situation I can control, than on the teen grid where I can't. She'll be 18 soon enough. So sue me...it's a decision I made for my own child.
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Yumi Murakami
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12-05-2007 10:28
From: Okiphia Rayna If you are underage when you join, but then become 18 and then they find out you were underage can you be banned?
Brought on by the 17 yr old daughter post...my though process might be odd lol I suspect not, but I'm not sure. I know that if a user with a Teen grid account turns 18, they are transferred to the Main Grid, and there's even a special area where people can have "transfer parties".
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 10:29
From: Yumi Murakami I suspect not, but I'm not sure. I know that if a user with a Teen grid account turns 18, they are transferred to the Main Grid, and there's even a special area where people can have "transfer parties". thats kinda cool but weird lol
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Conifer Dada
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12-05-2007 10:30
I think quite a few residents in SL are just 'passing trade' who don't value their continued presence in SL all that much. Griefers are the obvious case in point, but I wonder if some adults just pose as underage RLs just to rile other residents.
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Kaimi Kyomoon
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12-05-2007 10:32
From: Daniel Regenbogen Is there actually a rule that we have to report it? According to Caroline. From: Caroline Ra FROM THE KNOWLEDGE BASE
We take the problem of underage Residents who aren't allowed to be here very seriously. If you find someone under 18 years of age who shouldn't be on the Main Grid, here's what you need to do:
First, make sure they've actually admitted their underage status within Second Life, in their own words in chat. For example, "I'm 14" is clear evidence. We can't accept hearsay or rumors, so "I heard that so-and-so is a young teen" or "That griefer behaves like they belong on the Teen Grid!" don't count. "Confessions" on external instant messaging programs or any areas outside of Second Life itself can't be investigated either. Inworld, use Help > Report Abuse to bring up the abuse reporter tool. Click Select category and choose Age. Enter the required information as indicated, and please be specific. If you recently heard an underage admission in chat, copy-and-paste the snippet into the Details field. If it happened earlier and you don't have a chat record, just mention as much as you remember to help us know what to look for. Click the Report Abuse button and our Abuse Team will investigate it and take appropriate action. Thanks for your help. In most cases, teens found on the Main Grid will be transferred to Teen Second Life, and their inventory will be cleared. This is done to discourage "shopping accounts" created for the purposes of bringing stuff across grids.
Accounts found to be 12 years or younger are too young to be on Second Life, sorry.
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Colette Meiji
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12-05-2007 10:32
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook *shrug* She's my child, and I feel far better having her with me in a situation I can control, than on the teen grid where I can't. She'll be 18 soon enough. So sue me...it's a decision I made for my own child. I'm not so sure I completely follow you. She lives in your home? So you have ultimate control over her internet activities anyway. Or do you mean you feel safer with Adults you know in SL, who you have told she is under-age "keeping an eye on her"?
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Colette Meiji
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12-05-2007 10:40
From: Kaimi Kyomoon According to Caroline. Hmm that sounds like the answer to a question. "Heres what you need to do" Is that an answer to the question - "I know someone I think is underage in Second Life, what should I do?" Or is that the specific statement. "Heres what you need to do" as in a directive that you must report underage people you are aware of. The wording just doesn't sound like its a complete stand alone statement. You generally wouldn't start a passage with "Heres what you need to do"
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HoneyBear Lilliehook
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12-05-2007 10:40
Yes, she lives in my home - computers in different rooms. Yes, other adults I am friends with know that she's 17 - so they keep an eye on her as well. So far, she's received no grief. If an adult male tries to make conversation with her, she's mature enough to keep him at "arm's length" and tells him that she's taken. I will admit that if she were say, 14 or 15, she would not be on the adult grid. Her birthday is just a couple of months away, and knowing that she would have to give up any friends she made on the teen grid until they crossed over, it was an easy decision to put her on the adult grid.
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Colette Meiji
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12-05-2007 10:44
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook Yes, she lives in my home - computers in different rooms. Yes, other adults I am friends with know that she's 17 - so they keep an eye on her as well. So far, she's received no grief. If an adult male tries to make conversation with her, she's mature enough to keep him at "arm's length" and tells him that she's taken. I will admit that if she were say, 14 or 15, she would not be on the adult grid. Her birthday is just a couple of months away, and knowing that she would have to give up any friends she made on the teen grid until they crossed over, it was an easy decision to put her on the adult grid. Well, hopefully you are not reported and disciplined for admitting all this here in the forum.
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 10:45
From: ZeeScarlet Zenovka I'm hoping some of my fellow residents can help me out on this one.
Recently it has been brought to my attention that someone not of age is playing in SL...now ..this of course is not unheard of....but what DOES concern me is this child is engaging in deviant sexual practices (also not unheard of) in game.
Aside from rumors about this person being significantly underage...there are of course the obvious signs....
No payment info Only on during after school hours Child like voice. RL pic in where they appear to be 15 or 16
I have never been one to report someone as I always felt it wasn't my business....and theres always the "what if I'm wrong!" factor.......but is there any way lindon can intervene and make sure this person is of age?
Thanks in advance. My 25 year old fiance sounds a bit child like, looks younger than she is, has no payment info and is online after school hours (seeing as how school hours and normal work hours are the same). This proves nothing. Plus, if this person is 16 or so, then being in SL can do them no harm. The average 16 year old these days has done pretty much every sexual act there is, so seeing it in a video game is really no big deal. My advice is to stop being so self-righteous and get on with your own life, instead of trying to spoil other people's experience. It's just none of your business in other words. Ban then from your land if you must, but leave it at that.
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Adz Childs
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12-05-2007 10:47
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook ...it was an easy decision to put her on the adult grid. You say this as if it were really up to you to decide. I know you are the parent and can make lots of decisions about your daughters well-being. But you have stepped beyond your rights. LL makes the 18+ regulation for legal reasons. They don't want to get sued. Simple as that. It's nothing about maturity of the teens, or their safety.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 10:48
From: Conan Godwin Plus, if this person is 16 or so, then being in SL can do them no harm. The average 16 year old these days has done pretty much every sexual act there is, so seeing it in a video game is really no big deal.
I resent that hugely... NO. WRONG. A lot of 16 year olds maybe.. the same ones that do drugs, etc.. but the average 16 year old I seriously doubt it. I personally didn't do *anything* until I turned 18, and I know literally 100-150 people in my school that I am 98% or more certain that were the same way. 'pretty much every sexual act' is the part that really gets me though... thats a hell of a lot. Even the most experienced 16 year old (That isn't selling their body or a nympho...) hasn't really done all that much, unless they've been at it a few years. I'm sorry.. But I'm offended by that. I probably shouldn't be but oh well
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 10:51
From: Okiphia Rayna I resent that hugely... NO. WRONG. A lot of 16 year olds maybe.. the same ones that do drugs, etc.. but the average 16 year old I seriously doubt it. I personally didn't do *anything* until I turned 18, and I know literally 100-150 people in my school that I am 98% or more certain that were the same way.
'pretty much every sexual act' is the part that really gets me though... thats a hell of a lot. Even the most experienced 16 year old (That isn't selling their body or a nympho...) hasn't really done all that much, unless they've been at it a few years.
I'm sorry.. But I'm offended by that. I probably shouldn't be but oh well I accept your apology.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 10:52
From: Conan Godwin I accept your apology. Hmm.. didn't realize it was you who posted that o.o Doesn't really matter just surprised at how little i pay attention
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 10:54
From: Okiphia Rayna Hmm.. didn't realize it was you who posted that o.o
Doesn't really matter just surprised at how little i pay attention The fact still remains - there is nothing a normal 16 year old can see on SL that can possibly damage them in any way whatsoever. It's not our responsibility to make allowances for the mentally feeble ones who would be damaged either. The OP is the one that needs to grow up.
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Adz Childs
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12-05-2007 10:55
From: HoneyBear Lilliehook ...Ironically, a couple of them will contact me if she's there and someone is making obvious moves on her, just to let me know, and they are protective of her. Overall, I really feel she's better protected on the main grid... From: HoneyBear Lilliehook ...If an adult male tries to make conversation with her, she's mature enough to keep him at "arm's length" and tells him that she's taken... Gee, i wonder how those guys feel. They hit on an attractive-looking avatar, They assume that they are speaking to an adult (because the TOS prohibits minors) but apparently in your club there's an unkept secret that this person is really a minor. Don't you think they might be a little creeped-out to find out that they were actually hitting on a minor? and everyone knows it but them? I'm sorry, but that is f'ed up.
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-05-2007 10:56
From: Conan Godwin The fact still remains - there is nothing a normal 16 year old can see on SL that can possibly damage them in any way whatsoever. It's not our responsibility to make allowances for the mentally feeble ones who would be damaged either. The OP is the one that needs to grow up. Well there are many things in SL that could 'damage' a 16 yr old. Could 'damage' anyone if you think about it... But its true there is nothing ONLY in SL. Can be found all over the internet, tv, and so many other things
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 10:58
From: Okiphia Rayna Well there are many things in SL that could 'damage' a 16 yr old. Could 'damage' anyone if you think about it...
But its true there is nothing ONLY in SL. Can be found all over the internet, tv, and so many other things Not a normal 16 year old - only one with significant mental illness already. Even if they haven't had sex, most of them have seen enough porn to get the idea.
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Adz Childs
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12-05-2007 11:00
Guys... Its not about what they will see or if they will be damaged. LL is not a parent! Its about not getting into legal hot water.
DUH.
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Conan Godwin
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12-05-2007 11:01
From: Adz Childs Guys... Its not about what they will see or if they will be damaged. LL is not a parent! Its about not getting into legal hot water.
DUH. The OP will not get into any legal hot water. It's LL's responsibility, the OP needs to keep their big nose out of other people's business.
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