Is that guy suin "some company we all know and love" still fixing his borked sex beds

well find a stroker sex bed, edit it, look at the properties of afew of the anims and scripts inside. the creators are listed corsi mousehold, briggi bard, some others, MAYBE stroker lmao. lemme know if u find any scripts or anims in his sexbeds created by him lmfao

on second thought WE"LL fnd a stroker sex bed and crack it open and show ya highy detailed glossy pix with 16x anitialiasing , anoscopic (or w/e ya call it lmao) on ultra

There seems to be more implied here than who created the scripts and poses.

What I'm immensely curious about is why this one script got blacklisted/deleted in the first place. Nothing I've read so far explains this very well.

Well I got curious and dug up all my sexgen stuff, some of which is quite old and the only place I see his name on is one of the cubes that holds all the scripts and poses and notes etc, all of which have briggis name as creator... just sayin.

funny that

as i understand it Briggi Bard made the first SexGen(R) beds, coined the name SexGen(R) and Have a SexGen(R) Day(tm) campaign slogan, later Corsi Mousehold joined noartnership with them and added some animations. Serpentines roll was that of a marketer. He did not script or animate those objects. for a time they shared the profits. then he removed the split script and told them to sell their own beds with the SexGen (R) name for a time (an act of naked liscensing) then threteaned the person who made up the name and created the beds from selling ultimately THIER OWN WORK. and this is a champion of intellectual property rights lmao
u tell mee. This is their businesmodel. find people who create something. partner up with them. market their products. then wrest control of their worx from them. stop shairing the profits

i'm going to look more in to that too. because its funny, an associate of mr. s. , land manager at eros, etc etc imed one day saying we should do a story on some yard sale reselling sexgen(r) and had sold more than eroshad so they were stolen beds.

it was the wrong part of the news cycle for us, so i imed pix m.editrix of the herald. while chasing down facts with pix, the eros bunch inadvertaly let it slip that all rezzed sex beds in sl were borked, and had been borked by a linden at the lab. Mr. s. was trying to keep it all quiet at the time. pix ran with this story the borked beds as it appeared in the herald.

apparentl;y as the story develops neolove (bard and mousehold) are continuing to honor the years old contract of lifetime updates etc and continue to service bacuse your using THIER product under w/e name its marketed.

Given the claim that sex gen has generated over a million dollars (US), this is indeed quite an interesting accusation.

what I FIND interesting is that S. thinks he can ger away with it, but then again he's a plumber, not a particle physisict! HEHEHEHEHE

GUys I think we need ot be careful here.

As I said in another forum Stroker is NOT my favorite person on this planet. BUT...

So far I have NOT seen any serious proof that anything at all is out of order. The people that could make a definitive statement are silent.

This kind of demonizing without proof is just an UGLY statement of what the grid is fast becoming and needs to stop.

There is that. It is also very likely that all the parties involved *cannot* talk and defend themselves against these accusations or offer any clarifying statements in light of the lawsuit in progress, so this is feeling a bit like taking cheap shots at a defenseless person here...

This.

I am only asking questions about what has been posted or is common knowledge. I haven't accused anybody of anything - rather I would like to see proof of the claims. Much better than heresay, right?

I believe it to be common knowledge that there was a business partnership between the three. Two made content, with the third handling the marketing and "face" of the business.

How and why it all went bad, that's for the lawyers to figure out.

Is that mixed into the LL lawsuit? Or a different lawsuit?

Oh I know that and was not writing to you in particular. If anything I am supporting the fact that we know very little more than squat for facts. There are some who seem to be on the attack for whatever reasons they may have.

Heh, OK. I'm done here anyway, unless Jumpy posts something with actual substance.

If I were to guess, the b0rking of SexGen beds might have resulted from a mistake similar to the great EvaC b0rkage of MLP: maybe somebody at LL tried to do surgery on the assets that appeared in illicit copies, and accidentally broke the wrong stuff. (It's not as if Eros never asks LL to do stuff about such illicit copies, right?)

I'd also guess that whatever led up to the dissolution of the partnership was long ago resolved to all party's mutual acceptance, and that part of that agreement is a sort of self-imposed gag order... probably not one that's legally binding, else everyone would be more tight-lipped, but I'd suppose it's in none of their best interests for that stuff to further tarnish the brand(s). Especially now...

And what's important about "now" isn't the lawsuit, but the technical vulnerabilities of the products' script base. For one thing, there are several competing systems now that offer distinct advantages to buyers--including a couple that are free open source: MLPv2 is constantly improving, and nPose (still in beta) gets rid of the goofy-looking rezzed poseballs among other advances. In the "for pay" market, it's difficult to imagine anyone favoring the crufty old SexGen scripts over XPOSE.

But there's a bigger cliff ahead: script memory limits. All these things use *lots* of scripts, which probably won't drive buyers over their limits if they only own a few such items on large enough parcels. It, however, probably will limit the number of such items a seller can rez at the same time. I have a solution on the shelf for MLP- and nPose-based systems, but the folks trying to keep the old SexGen scripts running may have some challenges ahead.

How interesting to see the shit coming up as soon as you start scratching a bit on the surface...

What I find the most interesting is that the #1 'name' in sexbeds is SexGen, and I always assumed that they continued to be at the leading edge in terms of features and such. But it 'sounds' as though they are not up to today's standards because the people who created them split off for whatever reason, and continued the development on their own. That's what it sounds like, but Stroker may have paid people to script and make animations for him since the split, which wasn't all that long ago - they still appeared to be together in the thread about Eva C.

I managed to track down an Eros-trademarked SexGen bed for sale to see what's inside.

Finding it wasn't as easy as you might expect: The "SexGen" region is still not accepting TPs, and most of the high-ranked search results are for Strokerz Toyz vendors--except for Briggi Bard's locations, one of which is dubbed "SexGen Repair Center."

Anyway, the model I found is called "Manhattan Diamond PLUS SexGen Bed" which seems to be current, as far as I can figure out the naming/versioning scheme. I sampled properties of a lot of the animations inside, and they're a mixture of Briggi, Corsi, and Stroker (and I found one pair by Craig Altman). Subjectively, it seemed Briggi's are the most numerous, but there are a lot in there by all three of them.

The scripts are 100% by Briggi Bard. The vast majority of the numerous configuration notecards are also by Briggi, with a few by Stroker.

i still have some stuff from back in 2006 and 2007 from there..i'm gonna have a look inside if i go in world today..

A couple of years ago I recall seeing a video interview with Stroker who had a motion capture bodysuit. Those are NOT cheap. With his initial sales, I believe he made this investment.

We can speculate all we like, and while I am not saying there isn't some bad blood (as there often is with business partnerships), I do believe Stroker was invested in his business and involved in more than just marketing.

I could be wrong as well. I just can't see spending the money on a mocap system and not using it.

Oh how well RL plays out in SL.

Oh, I give in. What's a motion capture bodysuit. The term "motion capture" was mentioned earlier. Is it something that can apply to sex beds?