My Friday Thread (Whinge, rant, moan)

I hate people who build all over Linden water.

Some antisocial, anti-water person has built all over what was an open beach with a beautiful expanse of water and covered it with modernistic, prim structures making a series of art galleries which include some pictures of nudes. These are completely out of character with the rest of Alcis (a mature mainland sim.)...and blocked the beach and most of the water.

Capital Offense!!!!!

That's the rant and whinge bit - now the question...

Given that people should be allowed to do what they like on their own land (within TOS) - what happened about Jig's Art Gallery? I believe Jig was ARd because of a nude art work? If so, she should put it back because these ugly prim structures have examples within them showing various degrees of nakidness - it appears there is one rule for Jig's Art Gallery and one for "a n other" here.

Should I AR those pictures? or am I just being mean because I don't like the build, although I do like some of the pictures and accept that art is a matter of personal taste. I honestly do not like the inconsistency - should be same rules for everyone.

Are you going out of your way to find something wrong with it that violates some Linden Rules? Or are you just upset cause its ugly.. lol. So far I've found no rules in the TOS or community standards that go against poor taste. Unfortunately.

I like both beaches *and* nudes.

I prefer the nude bodies to be lying on sunloungers on the beach smiling at me as I walk past, and capable of tempting interaction, rather than being an artist's or photographer's static capture of what should be arousing vivacity. I like the right things in the right place. There are not enough public beaches - and you can put up an art gallery just about anywhere.

I wouldn't AR the owner though. Maybe suggest that he might want to remove him/herself to Zindra before the increasingly imminent deadline?

Pep (I also like consistency; a lot!)

Yes - that's what concerns me. I'm questioning my motives - as usual, they are mixed. I don't think Jig's gallery should have been ARd - but I don't like to see someone else getting away with something that others have not. My sense of fair play is offended, but I recognise that that's not my real beef!

It's an interesting symptom of the commitment and attachment SL can engender.

You mean open up dialogue with the owner? (Shock, horror!) They might find my skating animations broadly offensive!

The parcel is group owned, so I'm unsure of whom to contact - I think it might be rented.

Can't you tell who owns the building itself, or the 'dubious' pictures?

Pep (We need to see an example of the images here, I think.)

Yes - I guess the "owner" of the paintings should be identifyable.


Sorry Pep - forums are PG - just TP to Alcis and cross the road. (Some of the art works are certain to appeal to just about everyone, it is a very big and varied collection.)

EDIT - there is a preponderance of nude and semi-nude females in the picture collection - so it's a bit sexist. (Not wanting to raise any lady's hopes. )

I posted a simalar rant a while ago so I agree wholeheartedly.I am still in that posistion,
see pics, but since the water is not protected I am stumped.

I would love to jump in my boat and sail the inlet and out to sea but not at the moment alass.

Can't you do a James Bond, Blot?

Pep (Seems to remember one of his movies where he had a similar problem. )

Jig said she deleted her own gallery after that business about being ARed, but the land was in a PG sim wasn't it? I reckon that AR was just malicious but she was still breaking the PG rules. Whether we feel it's a silly rule when we're all grown-ups is another issue.

Since you say that this new gallery is on Mature, I can't really see that you'd have much of a case for an AR if all the build is on the owner's land. I understand the new rules allow galleries in Mature sims to show artistic nudes (but not what would be considered pornography).

Lots of RL art and galleries could be called sexist ( and probably have) if you considered their preponderance of female naked forms.

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Aes

That looks sooooooooo deliberate. It's not that bad for me yet, but it's getting close!

/me makes sympathetic noises.

But the casual curves of the female body are generally so much more aesthetically pleasing than the protuberance dominated male form.

Pep (The erotic effect of manboobs and beer bellies excluded, of course)

Silly. One uses a rear view pose, of course (plus the right nicely-toned male to model for the portrait).

Hmm, I feel a whole new career opening up.

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Aes

unless your gay, but even then I have heard gay guys say they think the female body is very aesthetically pleasing too???

In the sense of fair play, I do think keeping an even ballance between male and female attractions is important.

(I thought Jig's Gallery was on a Mature sim....or at least one of them was???)

Deira - have to add I do sympathise btw. It's a real pain when someone just ruins what was a lovely area with what you feel is an ugly, out of place build. If it's a new neighbour maybe they'll disappear after a while, with a bit of luck.

You may be right about Jig's sim. I was going by memory and didn't check back to the thread.

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Aes

Same here. At my 512 lot in Amydria, I logged on to find someone built a platform and house over the water. Then I came one day and he had this house he was working on just a few meters above his home whicf of course blocked my view. I politely asked him to raise it up a few hundred meters and he did.

But he put up banlines on his lot. Now there are banlines behind me and in front of me. I know it is their right and I have no problem with ownership rights. I just wished they use an orb, because now there is nowhere to sail due to the banlines.

So I have put my lot up for sale.

If they are building over Linden water, you could AR them for that, regardless of what the build is. Otherwise, I don't think I would. I am in a similar position with my largest parcel. When I bought it, I had access from one corner to a huge non-Linden-owned waterway. I spent ages landscaping a lovely bay and made a "rez your boat here" sign.

Then the plot next to mine changed hands and the new owners built the ugliest, most poorly built club/mall thingy I have ever seen, right out over the water, completely cutting off my access to the waterway. They must have used just about every single freebie texture on the grid in this build and 3/4 of the textures are rotating. They also put up a 3 story "skybox" (if you can call it that when it's just hanging 50m in the air) full of publicly accessible sex beds. It would be so easy to AR it, come the 15th, but I won't, not on those grounds. Their traffic is practically nil, so for the moment I am just hoping they won't last long anyway. I have put up a fence just high enough to hide the shimmering edges of their ground level builds (they had the cheek to complain it was ugly - Ha!) and re-landscaped so I have a nice pond.

If they were encroaching on LL land I would report them. I won't report anybody for doing what they used to be allowed to do on Mature, ever.

I'd love to know what happened with Jig's gallery. I thought non-sexual nudity was still OK. I also thought there was an exemption for artistic content.

I think nice coastline is wasted on some people. The people who build straight across it remind me of people who hog the window seats on aeroplanes and then don't look out of the window.

Thanks Aes - a bit of sympathy and a chance to whinge makes me feel much better.

I still think Jig should put ther pictures back - if this lot are ok, then so are hers.

Some people do that deliberately to get you to sell up - my first land got blocked in on all 4 sides by banlines and back in 2006, there was nothing to be done about it except sell and move on. I guess we can go on to consider the advantages and disadvantages of mainland vs estate - well, why not? It's my Friday thread.

Heh, whinge away, everyone else does.

I did just check Jig's thread. The warning referred to Mature content in a PG sim without actually specifying the exact content, but seems it must have been about a photo-nude from what she said. So from that I take it that on Mature land it'd have been fine.

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Aes

oh, it's a PG sim ... that explains it. It's still a rotten thing to happen though

That must have been very disheartening when you had taken such trouble to allow access for sailors! I hope they move on!

I shall have to walk the sea bed and check the protected waterway for encroachment...hmmmmm. Certainly the landscaping has undermined the Linden road on one side and half buried it on the other.

LOL. That is exactly what Will said. But I am one step of ahead of them. I priced that lot higher than the going rates for lots of similar size. So if they are trying to do that then they will just have to pay me. Besides..... it doesn't affect my tier whatsoever.

But I had a similar experience on my first land. My neighbor owned lots on both sides and behind me. I purchased the land before he had a chance too. He made me a very paltry offer and which I refused. So what did he do, he put up walls on 3 sides and told me well you don't have much of a view and again he offered to buy the lot for a measily amount.

That is when I discovered sky boxes and found one that was 11 prims. Told him I decided to stay because the view at this level is simply gorgeous and he needn't be concerned about "my view" . I guess he just so beside himself because 3 months later he offered to buy it, but this time it was at my price.

I agree that those weird buildings are a bit out of character for the area, but I've seen far far worse on mainland. They did leave a passageway and are not encroaching on the protected waterway. The only possible violations I see here are...

1. broadly visible mature content
Full frontal nudes on the side of buildings, for public view, could be considered an issue for some of the more hardline GTeamers.

2. Copyright violation
Many if not all of those are established modern RL painters. I suspect that someone out there might be able to claim ownership of these images, and did not give permission to have them used in such a fashion.

But both of the above are, well, pretty weak. Never minding the feelings you might have about ARing something such as this. There's just not a lot there.

I wish I had a better answer for you. Maybe talk with them, see what can be worked out for the good of your mutually shared region, rather than pulling out the banhammer.