Second Life: Notice of Disciplinary Action
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Ron Jorgensen
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Join date: 21 Feb 2007
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12-11-2007 08:45
I'm not complaining about this, just trying to understand it. I received this Disiplinary Action notice this morning by email from [email]noreply@secondlife.com[/email]. I am a bit puzzled by it as I have not logged on yet today and have not visited a sandbox in ages, nor have I done anything that is vaguely similar to the violation described below, so it was very puzzling. Then I noticed that below it is one sentence "Pictures in classifieds must adhere to global standards". I do have some adult pictures in my classifieds, which I checked off as being mature. Is that not allowed even though they are checked as being mature? Leave it to LL to send out such a cryptic and confusing notice, I almost overlooked the comment about classifieds as I was so puzzled by the larger notice of sandbox abuse. From: someone
Second Life: Notice of Disciplinary Action
Dear Ron Jorgensen,
Linden Lab individually investigates the circumstances of every Abuse
Report we receive. Following a careful review of our server records and
logs, we have determined that your recent actions violated the Second Life
Community Standards or Terms of Service. The violation in question occurred
on December 11, 2007 in the region of .
Violation: Disturbing the Peace: Abuse of Sandbox Resources
The various Sandbox Regions are intended for Residents to
practice their building skills. Inappropriate uses include
repetitively rezzing personal homes; using large numbers of
prims for long periods; and in general not 'sharing' the
Region resources.
Pictures in classifieds must adhere to global standards.
The rules of conduct are interpreted with the broadest meaning possible.
Discipline
No additional action is being taken at this time.
We will not disclose the identity of Residents who file Abuse Reports.
Sincerely,
Linden Lab
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Usagi Musashi
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12-11-2007 08:49
Leave it to LLABS to screw up with abuse reports. They have a long history of doing this. Shakeshead You think they learn from the past. But gesh what you expect from them these days.  Story with Abuse reports is once your on their shit list ( as they say ) you always black balled and labled. Shakeshead shakeshead again they just have no common sence |
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Kitty Barnett
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12-11-2007 08:50
That AR on you could be months old or it could have been filed last week, you have no way of knowing.
The Linden may have looked at your profile as well, as part of the AR resolution, and noted that your profile is in violation.
Or the report was indeed filed against your profile, but made by someone who was on a sandbox at the time and the Linden simply threw that in because he/she read the AR with one eye closed.
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Stephen Zenith
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12-11-2007 08:50
I'm guessing that it happened to be reported by a user who was in that sandbox at the time. Obviously, with problems with search results, classifieds and profiles, there doesn't necessarily need to be a location where the incident happened.
As for why you were disciplined, I would imagine that the mature pictures did it. As far as I'm aware, all content that appears in the profile has to be PG. Checking the mature content box for the classified means that the content pointed to by the classified is mature, not the classified itself. Anybody can see the classified with no warning if they happen to be looking at your profile as opposed to going through the search interface.
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Raymond Figtree
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12-11-2007 08:53
/can't wait for downtime to be over, so I can run online and check your profile for bewbies.
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Ricky Yates
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12-11-2007 08:53
Well, they did not take any action, so you will have to leave it at that. It's not that they offer any avenue of recourse, so best forget it. Also ... better get rid of the naughty pics in your ads  no matter whether they are flagged as mature, somebody may happen across them whilst perusing your profile ... and that is undesirable. PS: Now you have made me curious ...  |
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Lana Tomba
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pictures in classifieds.
12-11-2007 09:00
uhm ..I'm not for sure....i've been told...mature pics..nudes..etc..arent allowed in profiles.
That would include classifieds.
I used to have some tasteful black and white nudes..also some cgi poser nudes posted in my Picks...but i removed them on the advice from an old time friend who told me that it was agaisnt TOS to do that.
I assume that LL takes the stance that they don't mention it..unless it's mentioned to them?..sorta thing?
So..someone was in a sandbox...when they read your profile...and filed an AR about your classifieds is what i'm guessing.
Don't ask me how people who make skins and sex toys and genitals are supposed to advertise in their profile..but this is what was told to me....
...........my two cents...
~Lana Tomba
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Cherry Czervik
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Join date: 18 Feb 2006
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12-11-2007 09:01
It's usually RL pictures which cause a problem.
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Usagi Musashi
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12-11-2007 09:02
From: someone That AR on you could be months old or it could have been filed last week, you have no way of knowing. HAHAHHA yea right.........proof they don`t know what they are doing |
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-11-2007 09:04
From: Usagi Musashi HAHAHHA yea right.........proof they don`t know what they are doing That's not proof they don't know what they're doing.. it's proof that they have far too many ARs to investigate because people put ones in for things that don't matter. LL knows what they're doing..if they didn't SL would be a lot worse off.
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White Hyacinth
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12-11-2007 09:12
The problem with all this is that punishing or warning someone WITHOUT TELLING WHAT THEY DID WRONG is useless. They left the OP guessing what he did wrong, so how can he know what to do to abide by the TOS again? We can all just guess.
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Marianne McCann
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12-11-2007 09:15
From: Lana Tomba uhm ..I'm not for sure....i've been told...mature pics..nudes..etc..arent allowed in profiles.
That would include classifieds.
From the community standards... "Second Life is an adult community, but Mature material is not necessarily appropriate in all areas (see Global Standards below). Content, communication, or behavior which involves intense language or expletives, nudity or sexual content, the depiction of sex or violence, or anything else broadly offensive must be contained within private land in areas rated Mature (M). Names of Residents, objects, places and groups are broadly viewable in Second Life directories and on the Second Life website, and must adhere to PG guidelines." That would definitely include a profile with "adult content." The same is considered the case for classifieds, as I understand it, even with a checkbox checked.
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Usagi Musashi
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12-11-2007 09:16
From: Okiphia Rayna That's not proof they don't know what they're doing.. it's proof that they have far too many ARs to investigate because people put ones in for things that don't matter.
LL knows what they're doing..if they didn't SL would be a lot worse off. You might be party correct. But this is not 1 1/2 years go. When LLABS started BITCHING about the number of reports and took away the abuse reporter action inthe help menu. They have more then enough people to take care of business. But as i said before if your FLAGGED" as a problem person you stay on that shit list. because it gives LLABS a pardon from doing the full digging of what happned. They just banned you without any checking. Its happened more then enough times. |
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Ron Jorgensen
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12-11-2007 09:19
From: Kitty Barnett That AR on you could be months old or it could have been filed last week, you have no way of knowing.
The Linden may have looked at your profile as well, as part of the AR resolution, and noted that your profile is in violation.
Or the report was indeed filed against your profile, but made by someone who was on a sandbox at the time and the Linden simply threw that in because he/she read the AR with one eye closed. But the notice clearly says: From: someone
The violation in question occurred on December 11, 2007 in the region of .
Does that not reflect the accurate date of the alleged violation? If not, when combined with a totally inaccurate description of the violation, how do they expect anyone to even begin to understand what it is that they are not supposed to do? What a hopelessly useless "Notice of Violation". |
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Okiphia Rayna
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12-11-2007 09:20
From: Usagi Musashi You might be party correct. But this is not 1 1/2 years go. When LLABS started BITCHING about the number of reports and took away the abuse reporter action inthe help menu. They have more then enough people to take care of business. But as i said before if your FLAGGED" as a problem person you stay on that shit list. because it gives LLABS a pardon from doing the full digging of what happned. They just banned you without any checking. Its happened more then enough times. Don't they get somewhere around millions of ARs a day? or is it just tens of thousands? Iono..either way, that would burn any number of people out, and fast. Besides.. would YOU wanna o through every report? I'd figure out some way to speed it up to, especially considering how many people complaint hat it's too slow.
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Ron Jorgensen
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12-11-2007 09:21
From: Cherry Czervik It's usually RL pictures which cause a problem. No RL photos here just photos of prim naughty bits for sale. |
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Ron Jorgensen
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12-11-2007 09:24
From: Okiphia Rayna Don't they get somewhere around millions of ARs a day? or is it just tens of thousands? Iono..either way, that would burn any number of people out, and fast.
Besides.. would YOU wanna o through every report? I'd figure out some way to speed it up to, especially considering how many people complaint hat it's too slow. This doesn't excuse doing incredibly sloppy work. When they make the notice incomprehensible, its a complete waste of time to even send it, and reflects incredibly very poorly on Linden Labs. They are their own worst enemy. |
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Usagi Musashi
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12-11-2007 09:26
From: Okiphia Rayna Don't they get somewhere around millions of ARs a day? or is it just tens of thousands? Iono..either way, that would burn any number of people out, and fast.
Besides.. would YOU wanna o through every report? I'd figure out some way to speed it up to, especially considering how many people complaint hat it's too slow. All due repect and i do mean it. I use to believe that myself until I found out truth first hand. Facts are LLABS doesnt fully follow through the of Abuse Reports. And if their is conflicting of intersts going on Your shit out of luck as they say. Again I do understand your point and i use to believe in my more them 11/2 year on sl your thoughts. But after that and the BS thats surrounded the lindens and who who inthe shit list. I nolonger or support the believe they take as much care as they use to. Again I do repect your posting and i use to think just like you.Until they proved me to believe the other direction......... |
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Cherry Czervik
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12-11-2007 10:02
From: Usagi Musashi You might be party correct. But this is not 1 1/2 years go. When LLABS started BITCHING about the number of reports and took away the abuse reporter action inthe help menu. They have more then enough people to take care of business. But as i said before if your FLAGGED" as a problem person you stay on that shit list. because it gives LLABS a pardon from doing the full digging of what happned. They just banned you without any checking. Its happened more then enough times. Hmmmm. Usually it transpires that someone has done something ... even if it's *only* been argumentative and offended many, many people. AND People are not infallable when drowning under a sea of work that's too big for the amount of people - solution was to get more staff - they got more staff. AND Ooer Ron |
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Ciaran Laval
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12-11-2007 10:49
This reminds me, I was looking for something the other day in the new search and a couple of times got a message saying that privacy settings didn't allow me to view the content, or something like that. Anyone seen this?
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Missfit Arai
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12-11-2007 11:21
Yup i've had that message too, no idea what it's supposed to mean!
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Cocoanut Koala
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12-11-2007 12:11
From: Ron Jorgensen But the notice clearly says:
Does that not reflect the accurate date of the alleged violation? If not, when combined with a totally inaccurate description of the violation, how do they expect anyone to even begin to understand what it is that they are not supposed to do? What a hopelessly useless "Notice of Violation". I find SL an interesting world. It is the only world that I have ever been in, or even know of, where they want you to have to guess what you did wrong. I don't know why they hold to this notion, but they seem to think it is a good thing. I've even read about a Linden coming to someone's land and asking them to remove the broadly offensive item, but refusing to say exactly what item they are talking about! A place where you cannot be told exactly what your crime was - I find that fascinating in a very twisted way. There's no reason for it, as far as I can tell, and like I said, SL is the only place I know of where such a concept is in place. coco |
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Ciaran Laval
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12-11-2007 12:13
From: Cocoanut Koala I find SL an interesting world.
So do I, one of my tenants is a tiny and has a right cool cottage with a Christmas look to it made by you! |
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Grace Loudon
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Join date: 16 Dec 2005
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12-11-2007 12:16
Once, a long time ago, when SL was still a baby, I got in trouble for posting an event (back in the day you made money of hosting events) for a dance theme called "Sex on Wheels" - meaning a biker themed dance....got in trouble for it - had to change the name of the event. Now, there are explitives galore in event titles, business names, sim descriptions....it's amazing how this game has progressed....er, regressed? I miss the days of a somewhat "clean" SL with real clubs and real events and real sims that had something of interest to share. Now the majority is just a buttload of campers and malls. *sighs longingly while she continues to stare at the log in screen willing OFFLINE to say ONLINE*
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Grace Loudon
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12-11-2007 12:17
Please come back online before I start sharing information about my sex life.
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