"Skanky Ho's" vs SL Models
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Ceka Cianci
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12-31-2008 22:57
From: Maggy Hazelnut I've been playing SL with a group of longtime friends. And tho I'm a newby in SL I'm not a newby to online games & roleplaying. I think I have a good imagination but I also have a pretty firm grip on reality. (Tho some that know me might argue that point.) Yes, I'm aware that each of the characters playing in SL are RL people with RL feelings. But if I happen to make a character that flies a plane in here that does NOT make me a RL pilot!. If my character wants to "pretend" (AKA roleplay) in SL that she's a brain surgeon that hardly makes me one in RL. And I would hope that 99.9% of you would agree with me on that.
Which brings me to the topic of this thread. Last night my friends & I were in SL having a discussion about modeling clothes, hairstyles, etc., in SL. My character has chosen to make some money dancing at a club. Cause yes, I'd like an SL house some day & all the goodies that go with it but making items in here is not my forte! So I'm going the route of dancing cause we all know sex sells - RL or SL. Plus it's fun!
One or two of my friends is looking into the possibility of modeling in SL. Great! Each to their own & SL has a lotta variety. Well, during the discussion they let me know that I couldn't become a model in here because I'd been an SL dancer. And of course THEY wouldn't consider dancing in a club because it would sully their reputation for going into modeling. Apparently in SL once you go a route with your character you're locked into it - at least for the women. If it's anything like RL then I'm sure the male models aren't held back if they've been a dancer or if they frequent every booby joint & BDSM area in SL. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)
My friends informed me that the designers & businesses in SL don't want "skanky ho's" working for them no matter how nice they look. At that point I came just a bit unglued & admit I'm still upset today. Because just like if I fly a plane in SL it doesn't make me a real pilot - playing a dancer in SL doesn't make me a RL prostitute or "skanky ho". Now of course my friends tried to quickly explain that they weren't calling ME that but it sure as hell sounded & felt that way.
So my question is - is it true that the designers & businesses in SL really think this way? And if so, do you realize what a crock of crap that is because even tho this is a virtual world with real people in it - it's STILL PRETEND!! Yes I realize that RL money is involved & that many times it's RL companies. But you don't KNOW who the people behind these characters are anyway!
That beautiful classy female SL model could really be a 70 yr old man. And that person that you think of as a "skanky ho" in SL could really be a RL top model with Victoria's Secret that's flying her freak flag for a while in SL. And wtf difference does it make anyway? Is anyone doing RL background checks for these "top model" jobs? My best guess is "NO!". Are my friends that want to be SL models going to be held back if the business in SL that they're working for finds out that they're friends with dancers?! GASP! And does anyone else except me see how damn stupid this is?
Btw I don't want to be a model in here because it sounds damn boring to me. I think going window shopping in the penis stores is a lot more fun!
Please discuss & let me know what you think. your friends have no idea of what they are talking about..they are hen pecking..you can be a dancer at the same time..heck you can be an escort a dancer and a model all at the same time.. i know plenty that do all that and more..so you be what you want to be and tell your friends to get an sl manual..sounds like they still have a lot to learn.. |
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12-31-2008 23:38
When I think of an SL Model I tend to think of them like SL Police, or SL Firemen.
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01-01-2009 01:26
From: Skell Dagger Your avatar wouldn't happen to be prettier than theirs, would it?  2nds this notion. from one Mag to another, get new friends.
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01-01-2009 03:48
From: Skell Dagger Your avatar wouldn't happen to be prettier than theirs, would it? Nawwww. Most likely she's just making more money dancing than they do with modeling. 
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Avawyn Muircastle
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01-01-2009 06:12
From: Maggy Hazelnut I've been playing SL with a group of longtime friends. And tho I'm a newby in SL I'm not a newby to online games & roleplaying. I think I have a good imagination but I also have a pretty firm grip on reality. (Tho some that know me might argue that point.) Yes, I'm aware that each of the characters playing in SL are RL people with RL feelings. But if I happen to make a character that flies a plane in here that does NOT make me a RL pilot!. If my character wants to "pretend" (AKA roleplay) in SL that she's a brain surgeon that hardly makes me one in RL. And I would hope that 99.9% of you would agree with me on that.
Which brings me to the topic of this thread. Last night my friends & I were in SL having a discussion about modeling clothes, hairstyles, etc., in SL. My character has chosen to make some money dancing at a club. Cause yes, I'd like an SL house some day & all the goodies that go with it but making items in here is not my forte! So I'm going the route of dancing cause we all know sex sells - RL or SL. Plus it's fun!
One or two of my friends is looking into the possibility of modeling in SL. Great! Each to their own & SL has a lotta variety. Well, during the discussion they let me know that I couldn't become a model in here because I'd been an SL dancer. And of course THEY wouldn't consider dancing in a club because it would sully their reputation for going into modeling. Apparently in SL once you go a route with your character you're locked into it - at least for the women. If it's anything like RL then I'm sure the male models aren't held back if they've been a dancer or if they frequent every booby joint & BDSM area in SL. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)
My friends informed me that the designers & businesses in SL don't want "skanky ho's" working for them no matter how nice they look. At that point I came just a bit unglued & admit I'm still upset today. Because just like if I fly a plane in SL it doesn't make me a real pilot - playing a dancer in SL doesn't make me a RL prostitute or "skanky ho". Now of course my friends tried to quickly explain that they weren't calling ME that but it sure as hell sounded & felt that way.
So my question is - is it true that the designers & businesses in SL really think this way? And if so, do you realize what a crock of crap that is because even tho this is a virtual world with real people in it - it's STILL PRETEND!! Yes I realize that RL money is involved & that many times it's RL companies. But you don't KNOW who the people behind these characters are anyway!
That beautiful classy female SL model could really be a 70 yr old man. And that person that you think of as a "skanky ho" in SL could really be a RL top model with Victoria's Secret that's flying her freak flag for a while in SL. And wtf difference does it make anyway? Is anyone doing RL background checks for these "top model" jobs? My best guess is "NO!". Are my friends that want to be SL models going to be held back if the business in SL that they're working for finds out that they're friends with dancers?! GASP! And does anyone else except me see how damn stupid this is?
Btw I don't want to be a model in here because it sounds damn boring to me. I think going window shopping in the penis stores is a lot more fun!
Please discuss & let me know what you think. No, this is a bunch of nonsense in regards to SL modeling. Some of the models on SL even have in their profile, "looking for sex".
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Rioko Bamaisin
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01-01-2009 06:18
I was once offered a modeling job in SL. The pay was a whopping 1 linden every 30 minutes I stood there. Free clothes though. I think I would rather buy the clothes and do what I want for 30 minutes... I was a dancer at one point(clothed). Made a lot of tips,so I would imagine an exotic dancer would make a lot more....
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Oryx Tempel
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01-01-2009 07:34
From: Maggy Hazelnut
So my question is - is it true that the designers & businesses in SL really think this way?
Nope! What someone does with their SL is their affair, not mine. Live and let live, you know? |
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Emily Darrow
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01-01-2009 07:54
There's probably more model agencies who want you to pay them to "fix you up" with jobs than there are paying jobs for models.
I have an alt that's been a model for a very popular SL mag for over a year and have been in half the issue. I got paid once but they came to me and asked me to model I didn't go to them. I think I was their first model.
But one man's top model is another woman's skanky ho.
If you really want to make money in SL it really comes down to working and making something that's needed. If you want to model I suggest you learn Photoshop and learn how to do touch up work and how to light in SL. Then go out to all those vendors who have terrible images and buy some clothes, model them and show a them the differences between your photos of their clothes or items and yours. Ask them which one will create more sales then ask them if they want to make more money? If they have a large inventory of items it could make the difference between them having lot's of success and little to none.. I personally won't buy an item if the creator doesn't put any effort into their product display because it show they probably didn't put any effort into their products. It might be true it might not be that way. I just don't want to risk it unless I've seen it on someone else.
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Conifer Dada
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01-01-2009 09:04
Regardless of whether they resemble them or not, I think most RL people are more interested in their own avatars than anyone else's - unless, perhaps, they are caught up in some sort of doomed romantic tangle, that is!
I don't think anyone cares what sort of RL person is behind a top model or dancer. What might be of more concern is if several top models or dancers turn out to be alts of the same RL. But even then, does that really matter as long as nobody is being cheated or manipulated?
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Maggy Hazelnut
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01-01-2009 09:15
Thank you for the replies everyone. It's been very informative. Btw my friends really are good people. We just had a difference of opinion like all friends & family do from time to time. I want to make new friends on SL but no way would I get rid of the ones I already have.  And this sure is a great community! |
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Avawyn Muircastle
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01-01-2009 09:20
From: Maggy Hazelnut Thank you for the replies everyone. It's been very informative. Btw my friends really are good people. We just had a difference of opinion like all friends & family do from time to time. I want to make new friends on SL but no way would I get rid of the ones I already have. And this sure is a great community! My family and friends don't have any differing opinions nor discussions on whose a "shanky ho" or not? You might need to seek some new friends or run coz they might be stalkers trying to ruin your linden count. Either way, not healthy friends.
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Lindal Kidd
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01-01-2009 11:25
From: Nina Stepford anshe chung Nina's comment may sound obscure to the OP, so let me expand on it... Ms. Chung is, by reputation anyway, SL's Richest Land Baroness. She started as an escort.
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Dagmar Heideman
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01-01-2009 13:24
Complete garbage. All clothing designers care about are your avatar's hair, skin and shape, in other words they care about whether your avatar will visually enhance and complement the clothing or accessories they want you to model. By way of example most models usually have in their resume whether they are or are not willing to modify their avatar (e.g. the hips and buttock area for skirts, the feet for shoes etc.) You could be an SL porno star for all they care. Heck it might even increase their sales. Adidas did recently feature Jenna Jameson in its adicolor podcast commercial after all.
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Avawyn Muircastle
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01-01-2009 13:59
From: Dagmar Heideman Complete garbage. All clothing designers care about are your avatar's hair, skin and shape, in other words they care about whether your avatar will visually enhance and complement the clothing or accessories they want you to model. By way of example most models usually have in their resume whether they are or are not willing to modify their avatar (e.g. the hips and buttock area for skirts, the feet for shoes etc.) You could be an SL porno star for all they care. Heck it might even increase their sales. Adidas did recently feature Jenna Jameson in its adicolor podcast commercial after all. Not to mention some (don't know all) model apps come with "how do you feel about posing in the nude" __________________________ fill in blank. I suspect someone is yank - ing a women's chain.
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Tarina Sewell
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01-01-2009 17:19
From: Maggy Hazelnut I've been playing SL with a group of longtime friends. And tho I'm a newby in SL I'm not a newby to online games & roleplaying. I think I have a good imagination but I also have a pretty firm grip on reality. (Tho some that know me might argue that point.) Yes, I'm aware that each of the characters playing in SL are RL people with RL feelings. But if I happen to make a character that flies a plane in here that does NOT make me a RL pilot!. If my character wants to "pretend" (AKA roleplay) in SL that she's a brain surgeon that hardly makes me one in RL. And I would hope that 99.9% of you would agree with me on that.
Which brings me to the topic of this thread. Last night my friends & I were in SL having a discussion about modeling clothes, hairstyles, etc., in SL. My character has chosen to make some money dancing at a club. Cause yes, I'd like an SL house some day & all the goodies that go with it but making items in here is not my forte! So I'm going the route of dancing cause we all know sex sells - RL or SL. Plus it's fun!
One or two of my friends is looking into the possibility of modeling in SL. Great! Each to their own & SL has a lotta variety. Well, during the discussion they let me know that I couldn't become a model in here because I'd been an SL dancer. And of course THEY wouldn't consider dancing in a club because it would sully their reputation for going into modeling. Apparently in SL once you go a route with your character you're locked into it - at least for the women. If it's anything like RL then I'm sure the male models aren't held back if they've been a dancer or if they frequent every booby joint & BDSM area in SL. (Not that there's anything wrong with that!)
My friends informed me that the designers & businesses in SL don't want "skanky ho's" working for them no matter how nice they look. At that point I came just a bit unglued & admit I'm still upset today. Because just like if I fly a plane in SL it doesn't make me a real pilot - playing a dancer in SL doesn't make me a RL prostitute or "skanky ho". Now of course my friends tried to quickly explain that they weren't calling ME that but it sure as hell sounded & felt that way.
So my question is - is it true that the designers & businesses in SL really think this way? And if so, do you realize what a crock of crap that is because even tho this is a virtual world with real people in it - it's STILL PRETEND!! Yes I realize that RL money is involved & that many times it's RL companies. But you don't KNOW who the people behind these characters are anyway!
That beautiful classy female SL model could really be a 70 yr old man. And that person that you think of as a "skanky ho" in SL could really be a RL top model with Victoria's Secret that's flying her freak flag for a while in SL. And wtf difference does it make anyway? Is anyone doing RL background checks for these "top model" jobs? My best guess is "NO!". Are my friends that want to be SL models going to be held back if the business in SL that they're working for finds out that they're friends with dancers?! GASP! And does anyone else except me see how damn stupid this is?
Btw I don't want to be a model in here because it sounds damn boring to me. I think going window shopping in the penis stores is a lot more fun!
Please discuss & let me know what you think. Speaking as a former dancer, you can go a different way... I make clothing and furniture some textures etc... I've been approached by many modeling agencies and Im sorry I tend to fall off runways so, that is not really my thing.... And besides, just create an alt to dance under if you are worried. Personally I would never become an escort no matter how good the money is,. |
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01-01-2009 18:08
From: Nina Stepford anshe chung Best example. Former dancer, now millionaire.
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01-01-2009 20:16
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Vanessa Niven
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01-01-2009 22:01
I think the general comment that Dancers cannot become Models is incorrect. To the civilian consumer the models are usually seen in images anonymously there name is not attached (except some magazines)
As with most things in SL there are communities, when on set at a photoshoot the people that make up the team of a high class models group would not want to be associated with SL Dancers or Escorts, they view themselves as professionals with purpose. They would not want their people having profile groups visible that are not appropriate, they may not want their people disclosing to others their past job history if it's not appropriate.
For example the owner of the model agency wouldn't want the photographer, set dresser or lighting-technician telling people in the industry that the models of that agency are ex-escorts because that would damage the reputation of that agency in the industry, there may be only one escort in the group but that is all it takes to damage the rep of agency (within the model community, unrelated to the consumer's view)
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Snowflake Fairymeadow
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01-02-2009 00:21
From: Maggy Hazelnut
My friends informed me that the designers & businesses in SL don't want "skanky ho's" working for them no matter how nice they look. At that point I came just a bit unglued & admit I'm still upset today. Because just like if I fly a plane in SL it doesn't make me a real pilot - playing a dancer in SL doesn't make me a RL prostitute or "skanky ho". Now of course my friends tried to quickly explain that they weren't calling ME that but it sure as hell sounded & felt that way.
It goes both ways. Just because someone claims to be a designer and own a business in SL does not mean they have design skills or business skills in RL either. And people who claim to be your friends in SL might not really have your best interests at heart. |
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Stephanie Misfit
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01-02-2009 04:03
Models are a dime a dozen in SL. You'd be lucky if anyone remembered your name, let alone what you did in SL before you modeled, so I wouldn't worry too much about "reputation". Models who believe otherwise are just overestimating their own importance in that industry.
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Ceka Cianci
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01-02-2009 08:47
From: Vanessa Niven I think the general comment that Dancers cannot become Models is incorrect. To the civilian consumer the models are usually seen in images anonymously there name is not attached (except some magazines)
As with most things in SL there are communities, when on set at a photoshoot the people that make up the team of a high class models group would not want to be associated with SL Dancers or Escorts, they view themselves as professionals with purpose. They would not want their people having profile groups visible that are not appropriate, they may not want their people disclosing to others their past job history if it's not appropriate.
For example the owner of the model agency wouldn't want the photographer, set dresser or lighting-technician telling people in the industry that the models of that agency are ex-escorts because that would damage the reputation of that agency in the industry, there may be only one escort in the group but that is all it takes to damage the rep of agency (within the model community, unrelated to the consumer's view)
I would assume small unsuccessful model agencies are composed entirely of dancers who probably still dance, but it's the ones at the top who would be cautious about their image.
I am not a part of that industry, these are just my thoughts on the topic, but I have been on set at a photoshoot and met some of the people that make up a group for a session or ongoing sessions. I can understand how agency-image is an issue ::at that level:: na your so called higher class agencies are full of them as well.if you have unique enough of a look and can be on time and work well with them it doesn't matter really..i've worked for a few of them myself and got along great with the owners and the girls around me. there is a lot of kink in the modeling business.. |
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Cigi Kraus
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01-08-2009 11:36
I call BS on this as I have a frined in sl who models by day and moonlights as a Dancer/Escort at night. So your friends are just full of it. Or agreeing with the previous statement that you are probably better looking on sl than they are and they are worried you will take their sl jobs away. I say have fun be a freak/model/dancer. lol.. surprise them all
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Clarissa Lowell
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01-08-2009 13:48
I still don't understand the whole "SL model" thing.
Since avs can be bought head to toe and poses are premade, where is the distinguishing 'talent' from av to av?
Couldn't a designer even create alts to model their own clothing?
I don't get it.
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Cigi Kraus
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01-08-2009 13:51
From: Clarissa Lowell I still don't understand the whole "SL model" thing.
Since avs can be bought head to toe and poses are premade, where is the distinguishing 'talent' from av to av?
Couldn't a designer even create alts to model their own clothing?
I don't get it. they could and most just use friends instead of models , models are really far and rew between. as the demand is not that high. If you can use pjotoshop you can do your own pics and never have to hire anyone. |
