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12-11-2008 14:02
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Insekt p0rn! Live egg laying ALL OVER YOUR SCREEN!

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Wandered Miles
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12-11-2008 14:14
From: Lord Sullivan
We run a RL adult profile website and since bringing it into SL we have seen our memberships rise, sex sells and although LL may not like it there will always be more takers for the sex angle than those that want to use it for other things, look at the early days of the internet, it was adult sites that pushed innovations online.

Im sure at some point it will settle as the internet did and mainstream will become more the norm. But a good sex story in the press as has been said does more for memberships than anything else ever will :)


yes, i'm sure we're all gonna be filthy little perverts one day.

no worries...
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12-11-2008 14:16
From: Wandered Miles
yes, i'm sure we're all gonna be filthy little perverts one day.

no worries...


Some just make it quicker than others ;)
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Chester Orbit
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12-12-2008 00:29
I'm the schmuck that was interviewed by the BBC - and thought I'd give my perspective for what it's worth. I'm not that clear that the Lindens have any real strategy geared towards business - we in depo are as pissed off with the OpenSpace fiasco as everyone else. In fact - we are returning quite a lot of land that was only used to make the business park a nice place. All our remaining OpenSpace is used for things that are our genuine interests - art galleries in particular - and we don't make any sort of profit out of them... But we are still going to have to put a lot of work into sorting out the mess that the Lindens have created for us for no apparent reason.

The thing that I like about Second Life is that you can do your own thing without bothering other people. If it was just for business I really wouldn't be interested. If you just want a business environment then why not use Qwaq or something? I think that Second Life has something for everyone - from philosophy to motor sports to knitting circles (actually - I have no idea about the knitting, but it's probably out there somewhere) - even is we ignore the sex stuff. It's the richness of the community that makes it interesting.
Min Fairweather
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12-12-2008 01:28
I think that's probably the most reasonable and realistic BBC article I've seen about SL ever! No screaming journalist telling us that this evil new technology will ruin society and our children's lives forever. He really seemed to get it. Nice one Chester :)

The argument about business versus residential is a bit of a damp squib in my opinion. If you think of virtual worlds to be the same as the internet it's crazy to except them to be aimed at one or the other. There are business websites and personal ones and together they make the internet what it is. A tool that loads of people enjoy in their free time and use at work too.

The big money IS in big business I'm afraid. Look at any similar technology, telephones for example, and the profit comes from the business customers not residential. But that doesn't mean that none of us have home phones.

So yes I do think this represents where LL are hoping to expand their market. Plus you can see from this sensible article that it's the most politically correct, easy to digest, and understandable part of SL to shout about.
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12-12-2008 01:38
From: Chester Orbit
I'm the schmuck that was interviewed by the BBC - and thought I'd give my perspective for what it's worth. I'm not that clear that the Lindens have any real strategy geared towards business - we in depo are as pissed off with the OpenSpace fiasco as everyone else. In fact - we are returning quite a lot of land that was only used to make the business park a nice place. All our remaining OpenSpace is used for things that are our genuine interests - art galleries in particular - and we don't make any sort of profit out of them... But we are still going to have to put a lot of work into sorting out the mess that the Lindens have created for us for no apparent reason.

The thing that I like about Second Life is that you can do your own thing without bothering other people. If it was just for business I really wouldn't be interested. If you just want a business environment then why not use Qwaq or something? I think that Second Life has something for everyone - from philosophy to motor sports to knitting circles (actually - I have no idea about the knitting, but it's probably out there somewhere) - even is we ignore the sex stuff. It's the richness of the community that makes it interesting.
Nice programme Chester. Not sure that MK railway station is entirely barbaric but a journey on Virgin Trains can seem like a Crusade occasionally.

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12-12-2008 01:43
An interesting video - it's a bit spooky seeing someone else sat at a computer controlling an avatar in SL, though!

SL is never going to be the be-all and end-all for most business - but there are niches to be exploited - for most businesses it can only be a useful add-on to their real-world activities, though.

LL's main aim? Well, the main aim of any business is to make a profit, otherwise it won't thrive. Given that obvious fact, I think LL's next main aim is to provide, develop and improve a virtual world platform suitable for use by anyone. Simple as that!
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12-12-2008 01:50
Strangely enough I have just completed a art installation encompassing this very question, it is composed of eight 10 x 10 meter platforms positioned around the Brooklyn Is Watching tower which is in the Pocha sim. The whole build uses approx 1650 prims.
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12-12-2008 02:04
What is LL's main aim?

Wallets. Via a laser-targetted mark on their victim's forehead.
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12-12-2008 02:23
From: Pserendipity Daniels
Nice programme Chester. Not sure that MK railway station is entirely barbaric but a journey on Virgin Trains can seem like a Crusade occasionally.

Pep (Are you having your Christmas do at the Super Sausage?)


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12-12-2008 02:41
From: Chester Orbit
The Super Sausage or The Cock Inn - a fine establishment!

now why did that amuse the 14 year old boy in me?
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12-12-2008 04:10
From: Dekka Raymaker
now why did that amuse the 14 year old boy in me?


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12-12-2008 07:32
ll wants a big pile of gold, everything else is not important
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12-12-2008 08:53
From: Phil Deakins
I disagree. A serioius platform is quite different to attracting big business into SL. The web is a serious platform - for everything - not just business and not just pleasure. That's the sort of serious platform that I believe LL is aiming at.


*comes back in after a loooong day yesterday and a long night of sleep to make up for it*

I'd love SL to become a serious platform, but that would require that LL to show it is serious about platform and it's users. It's technical side has gotten better, in spite of the last few days, but it's PR side has slid into the toilet. They need a better hand at balancing both to reach new users and to retain existing users.

Honestly, it's kind of annoying to see M make worse blog blunders than Phil did. At least Phil didn't make existing users feel marginalized or trivialized in all his speeches and blog posts. That seems to have been all M is able to do, which tells me he has either forgotten everything he knew about business when putting on the Linden last name OR he needs to fire the entire PR staff and start from scratch.

That said, I love Second Life. I'm just not fond of some of the Lindens at the moment.
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12-12-2008 09:52
I continue to maintain that SL is an entertainment platform, not a business platform.

It's too clunky and limited and unstable and insecure for serious business applications, and it's a bandwidth hog compared to other business communication solutions.

But businesses can, and should, consider having a *presence* here...because it's one more place where they can find and talk to their customers. IF they do it right.

The key, though, is that SL is entertainment. Sex, yes...but also art and music and fascinating builds and playing house and dancing and chatting with friends and playing with prims and textures. Shopping for high fashion clothing for pennies. Running a tiny little business for fun (and maybe, just maybe, for profit...which adds to the fun).

Anything that enhances that, or taps into it, will work.
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12-12-2008 10:14
From: Phil Deakins
A serioius platform is quite different to attracting big business into SL. The web is a serious platform - for everything - not just business and not just pleasure. That's the sort of serious platform that I believe LL is aiming at.


Absolutely. There's no reason that we can't all continue to enjoy SL in our own ways as LL attempts to make it more attractive for 'serious' applications. If we want to continue growing then we NEED to attract new business, education, and other types of users. If we don't then SL will become a stagnant footnote in the evolution of Virtual Worlds.
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12-12-2008 10:54
From: Vlad Bjornson
If we don't then SL will become a stagnant footnote in the evolution of Virtual Worlds.
God knows we don't want stagnant feet.
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12-12-2008 11:04
From: Jean Swashbuckler
And I just love the British sense of humor...commuting is barbaric.


I, too, love British humor and the way Brits have of expressing things. There is something I've always wondered about:

British people will often end a statement with a question such as, "Commuting is barbaric, isn't it?" I find it charming but as a perpetual student, wonder where that originated.
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12-12-2008 11:08
From: Ceka Cianci
the sex industry in sl has gotten pretty bad..it would be nice to see it get people here for lots of other reasons than to cyborgt or open clubs and stuff them with bots because they think there is money in it..
some of the art made in sl and some of the builds are what i wish would really get the attention..creators and yes you too can learn to let your imagination loose..
that would be so much nicer..


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12-12-2008 11:12
From: Chester Orbit
I'm the schmuck that was interviewed by the BBC - and thought I'd give my perspective for what it's worth.


I liked the interview...and your cottage :) (And the charming way Brits end sentences with questions *smiles*)

From: someone
It's the richness of the community that makes it interesting.


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12-12-2008 11:54
From: Czari Zenovka
I, too, love British humor and the way Brits have of expressing things. There is something I've always wondered about:

British people will often end a statement with a question such as, "Commuting is barbaric, isn't it?" I find it charming but as a perpetual student, wonder where that originated.


"Watching the English" by Kate Fox - ISBN 978-0340818862

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12-12-2008 15:39
From: Min Fairweather

The big money IS in big business I'm afraid. Look at any similar technology, telephones for example, and the profit comes from the business customers not residential. But that doesn't mean that none of us have home phones.
Well I don't know about that. World of Warcraft I believe has a much bigger entertainment than business customer base as do movies, music, computer games, etc.

Some businesses are entertainment - and they do quite well.
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12-12-2008 18:58
From: Chester Orbit
I'm the schmuck that was interviewed by the BBC -QUOTE]

yo bruv, if you're that schmuch then I'm the one that got left on the cutting room floor. And if the christmas party is at super sausage I ain't coming, if it's at Jack's on the other hand....

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12-12-2008 20:28
From: Pserendipity Daniels
"Watching the English" by Kate Fox - ISBN 978-0340818862

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Ah! Many thanks, Pep :)
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12-12-2008 20:36
Still in my "stream of consciousness" mode of thinking...

A good friend and I went to one of the "Tales From the Crypt" horror movies years ago. The first vignette began with 4 men entering a rather murky looking spot and realized they were trapped there (wherever "there" was). They sat down and each one began to tell a story.

Later I said to my friend that the beginning of the movie seemed a bit implausible. If I found myself in some place in which I was trapped, I'd be trying to find a way out and probably doing some Grade A screaming, not sitting down to share tales. My friend spent a year in England as an exchange student and said, "That's a very plausible British response - no way out of here; we might as well just make the best of it." (Apparently the movie was British made.)

I never forgot that.

Nothing to do with the topic per se. :o
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