Purged of Intellectual Property... Is this fair?!
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Tegg Bode
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10-22-2009 15:45
From: Pie Psaltery Emerald does not back up scripts, only prims and textures, but there's an easy work-around:
Open your script, select all, copy, open Notepad or the text program of your choice, and paste the script into a new Note, then save. Name it something identifiable; "CreationName/ScriptFunction/PrimPlacement". Done.
It's not a perfect soultion, but at least you have your scripting work saved in a way that you can get it back in-world after catastrophe.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-22-2009 15:54
From: Tegg Bode Well if you had kept paying for 6 years it wouldn't be fair at all. Most of your 2003 stuff is going to be outdated in look & function anyway, welcome to the 21st century. Tegg, that's just bloody cold. Did you actually read where he said that he HAD been keeping the account up for six years? |
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Rihanna Laasonen
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Join date: 22 Nov 2006
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10-22-2009 18:43
From: Phil Deakins Thank you for that. It's a real shambles, isn't it - I mean Linden Lab in general. Normally I'll stay quiet during Jack's office hours and leave the required Linden-hassling to the folk the Lindens think are worthy (i.e., the ones with enough money to make me dizzy), but if a Linden is standing there passing on blatantly inaccurate information.... I wouldn't even mind the inventory deletion policy if it was just (1) applied to inactive basic accounts too and (2) applied after 6 months or a year or something, not 5 weeks. I'm just grateful that one of my projects came through in time that I didn't have to go through it myself. |
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Tarina Sewell
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10-22-2009 19:40
From: Chance Small A long story short, I've been a premium member since July of 2003. The billing card on file was not current, which I admit to being at fault for, and I had missed the notification e-mails through the massive clutters of spam I get daily. I became aware of this when I contact Linden Lab because I was unable to access my account. They then went into saying that by restoring my account my inventory items 'MAY' be lost, because the account was not active for such and such time.
Optimistically, I update my billing information and restore my account, and continue to log in. Upon logging in, I notice my appearance to be that of a default avatar, and my inventory to be completely free of any and everything that I have created over the last 6 years. My own intellectual property in which I have worked hard in building, most of which classic, first ever built casino games, which had great sentimental value to me, completely gone and can never be replaced.
In a panic, I called Linden Lab back, and asked if there was ANYTHING they or I could do to get the last 6 years of my Second Life back, and they said that it was positively not possible. He then mentioned that they can't just leave items in the database, that they have to make room for new members, etc.
New members... You mean those that don't pay, play for a day while flooding their inventories with freebies, and never come back? I've been a premium member of Second Life for over 6 years. I've spent lots of money and time in Second Life, and have contributed a lot to it's history and community, and this is how I am rewarded? By destroying my own personal intellectual property in claims to allow space for new members? Wether the items are in my inventory or not, a great majority of them are still out there in Second Life, so what space are they saving? A list of keys and permissions?
Second Life does not natively allow intellectual property creators to back up or restore their items, and I truly am having a hard time believing that my inventory can not be restored to me. I am a paying customer, and have been for a very long time, and I would expect better handling of "Premium Members" and long time supporters. I feel your pain, as I just lost over 200GB of data most of it textures and such I use "for" SL... Im on my own now and so are you.. Im sorry....  Tarina Sewell buys a round of the drink of your choice. |
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Nexus Chemistry
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Join date: 6 Jun 2008
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10-23-2009 01:31
From: Tegg Bode Well if you had kept paying for 6 years it wouldn't be fair at all. Most of your 2003 stuff is going to be outdated in look & function anyway, welcome to the 21st century. LoL, please do your research, especially on the stuff I have made. You really should have done that before even opening your mouth. |
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Chance Small
Linden PITA
Join date: 30 Jul 2003
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10-23-2009 01:36
From: Tegg Bode Well if you had kept paying for 6 years it wouldn't be fair at all. Most of your 2003 stuff is going to be outdated in look & function anyway, welcome to the 21st century. Stuff that I have been making SINCE 2003, not ONLY my items from 2003... Which many scripts and objects today are from some form of my creations... I still get IMs about a gun I made in 2003, cause they are finding bullets on their land. You should also research a bit more about the items I've made, before making such a statement. I love irrelevance, and how it's finding it's way to this thread. |
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Chance Small
Linden PITA
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10-23-2009 01:38
From: Pie Psaltery Emerald does not back up scripts, only prims and textures, but there's an easy work-around:
Open your script, select all, copy, open Notepad or the text program of your choice, and paste the script into a new Note, then save. Name it something identifiable; "CreationName/ScriptFunction/PrimPlacement". Done.
Yea, that won't work. WAY too many scripts to do it that way, lol. |
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Chance Small
Linden PITA
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10-23-2009 02:56
From: Desmond Shang Chance, if your inventory is stuck like that, it might be the indexing of your inventory and other settings from "way back" that is still messing you up.
This seems to persist across reinstalls, uninstalls, you name it ~ the only way it seems to rebuild itself is if you go to Documents and Settings, User (whatever your user directory name is), Application Data, Second Life directory and delete all of it. Maybe back it up or something first if you want. And ah... if you are on a Mac it would be the equivalent for... however Macs do it.
If you do that and log in, the inventory indexing should rebuild (I think).
Best of luck. I'm also pretty sure that if anyone could help you at Linden Research, they would try to do so. That doesn't seem to work on my Windows 7 machine, which I deleted the C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Local\SecondLife folder. Thanks for the suggestion. |
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
Join date: 17 Jan 2007
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10-23-2009 03:35
From: Rihanna Laasonen I wouldn't even mind the inventory deletion policy if it was just (1) applied to inactive basic accounts too and (2) applied after 6 months or a year or something, not 5 weeks. I said something similar back in post #8. The main difference between us is the length of time. I posted that I do think that what happened to Chance is fair - pretty much like many have posted. What is wrong is that it doesn't happen to basic accounts, but it's not that premium accounts are being short-changed - it's that basic accounts are getting something that they don't merit. It's only unfair to premium accounts as long as basic accounts are not dealt with in the same way but, taking premium accounts in isolation, then I do think that it's perfectly fair. |
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-23-2009 03:39
From: Phil Deakins
It's only unfair to premium accounts as long as basic accounts are not dealt with in the aame way but, taking premium accounts in isolation, then I do think that it's perfectly fair.
Basic accounts ARE treated the same way if they go into arrears. |
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Phil Deakins
Prim Savers = low prims
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10-23-2009 03:43
From: Argent Stonecutter Basic accounts ARE treated the same way if they go into arrears. According to everything I've read in this thread, and in previous ones, the inventories of basic accounts are not deleted. And, as far as I know from reading, they never lapse, except once in a rare while when LL does a purge. It's not the same at all. |
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Qie Niangao
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10-23-2009 04:36
I've never considered the possibility of a Basic account going into arrears because there's no automatic tier charges, but I suppose it's possible if they have a classified running on group land, or otherwise incur group fees (for land search listings, I guess, although I think those fees are divvied-up among able-to-pay group members whenever possible). So I really don't know; perhaps they are treated the same way.  In any case, it's just stupid that accounts--Basic or Premium--are ever charged to a negative L$ balance. If a PayPal/CC charge doesn't come through to restore the balance, whatever is being charged should be suspended: Classifieds, etc. removed from Search and land frozen from resale until past-due charges paid, and after (say) 60 days it reverts to the Governor. Yeah, some people would bitch about losing their land, but they'd lose it just as surely in the current scheme, plus (apparently still) their entire Inventory.
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Argent Stonecutter
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10-23-2009 07:47
From: Phil Deakins According to everything I've read in this thread, and in previous ones, the inventories of basic accounts are not deleted. They do IF THEY GO INTO ARREARS. From: Qie Niangao I've never considered the possibility of a Basic account going into arrears because there's no automatic tier charges, You don't need to be a premium to own an island. |
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Chris Norse
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10-23-2009 09:14
From: VonGklugelstein Alter Try again, those deal with the buyer's rights in canceling services they are paying for. I have yet to see anything from LL saying I could not cancel my account and stop paying premium fees and tier at any time. Very simple, you stated "half the TOS is illegal" , bullet point me TOS items, besides the "you must submit to arbritration in San Fran courts". Come on, I know you can do it. Or were you talking out of your ass? What we have here is a customer who did not pay their bill and is now whining because their stuff was disposed of. If "6 years" of his life was so important, I would think he would have the energy to make sure the bill was paid.
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LittleMe Jewell
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10-23-2009 09:18
From: Pie Psaltery Emerald does not back up scripts, only prims and textures, but there's an easy work-around: Actually, the latest Emerald has the option to Export/Mirror your Notecards and Scripts to a location of your choice on your hard drive.
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Pie Psaltery
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10-23-2009 09:24
From: LittleMe Jewell Actually, the latest Emerald has the option to Export/Mirror your Notecards and Scripts to a location of your choice on your hard drive. Woot! Thx, I haven't downloaded the jiggly emerald yet, but that's good to know. |
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Desmond Shang
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10-23-2009 09:35
From: Chance Small That doesn't seem to work on my Windows 7 machine, which I deleted the C:\Users\MyUser\AppData\Local\SecondLife folder.
Thanks for the suggestion. Ack, what a shame. I'm at a total loss now.
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Dekka Raymaker
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10-23-2009 09:37
so it seems like the chances of getting your stuff back is small.
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Catherine Cotton
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01-06-2010 21:04
Hey Chance big hugz  If it makes you feel any better they didn't save my inventory when I left either. Starting out as a noob after being in beta sucked. I am glad your back Cat  |