Give Him a Baby!!

I agree Trout, those were very ugly and mean spirited things to say. I jokingly suggesting having the baby say something funny, but ouch, that was not what I had in mind at all. I think the whole idea is a bad one, but those phrases took it from bad to worse.

Been in Broken homes much?

I didn't find any of those phrases hurtful at all..but then again I come from a disfuntional family..I felt they were quite appropriate and spot on.

~Lana Tomba

Your perspective might be different if you were a father whose ex uses his kids against him as leverage. When it's one of your children saying stuff like that, trust me, it's like someone twisting a knife in your chest. Agony.

Not yet....

I'm assuming this is your personal experience? Such a terrible thing for someone to do to kids. I'm not a parent so I can only say that I can imagine how much your heart breaks. I have been watching my Brother's Ex do this with their kids and it breaks my heart for him and for the kids.

I believe in most cases children learn who was full of bs as they grow older.

That's my take too, hell I figured it out well before I became an adult. Still hurts though and the thing is, it hurts the children the most! I fail to see how that becomes an oversight..........

You're quite right.my perspective "might" be different..however..it is not. And in the context that the babies were created...that being they're being dropped off by a recently pregnant mother who was abandoned by a Dad..what would you suggest they say?"We love you daddy thankyou for borking mommy with no condom and then leaving her to take care of us by herself"?

I appreciate the fact that you don't like the product but i seriously don't believe he's trying to be hurtful to you or anyone else.

Yes divorce is a bad thing..yes broken homes and children caught between is sad..as a child who was caught between..when i could no longer cry about it..i had no choice but to laugh.

I think this is a funny product.

~Lana Tomba

Sigh.

Why is it that I always end up feeling like I've offended you when I state my opinion? I was just saying that there were different perspectives on this, and I find the product to be incredibly tasteless and not the least bit funny. You can have whatever perspectie you like and if you think it's funny, more power to you.

I know he wasn't trying to be hurtful to me personally. He doesn't even know me. The consequences of this product are that people are going to be hurt. It perpetuates the pain of the woman who is using it, and it causes unnecessary pain in the guy who receives it. It has no edeeming qualities whatsoever, unless it's given as a complete gag gift, and in that case, it just isn't anywhere near as funny as any number of other gags that someone could give. That's my opinion, clearly not yours and it isn't the opinion of a lot of people who posted in here. It just is what it is.

I'm sorry i didn't mean to come off that way. You didn't offend me.. I just think that not every product is for everyone and not everyone is for every product.

People use people in SL

Some people will use someones time and emotions for nothing more than the "sex"

There are guys and girls out there who have been used and dehumanized in this capacity.

They wanna lash out..they wanna feel in control again they want revenge. For those people ,I am sure this could be a form of therapy

I know...its an ugly and tasteless world when guys/girls do things to deserve getting a tasteless gift like this.

The whole bit about who is deserving or undeserving of punishment is really what brought us to this post isn't it?

Someone decided to be rude to someone by using and ignoring them and leaving.
The other someone decided to send them a "Thankyou Baby"----"Hilarious".

I'm not trying to change your mind Trout. Guys prolly wont be the the focus market for this product.

~Lana Tomba

I appreciate the honest feedback I have gotten here, both positive and negative. I have been trying to gage how far to take this idea and these comments have helped.

Most people who I have shown "Give Him a Baby!" to have thought it was hilarious. The only negative feedback I have gotten so far has been in this forum. Clearly some people here have had really hurtful experiences and they are still wounded and feeling the pain. I'm sorry for those of you who found this idea too painful and offensive, it is your personal context that is making you perceive it that way. If you cannot see the humor in this then you are taking your Second Life far to seriously.

If you can't see the humor here, you probably won't see it in these websites either. Things like these were part of the inspiration for this idea. .

Bittersweets - heart shaped candies with cruel messages on them.
http://despair.com/bittersweets.html

Cards to dump your lover
http://www.cyberdumped.com/e107_plugins/ecards_menu/index.php

Break up greeting cards
http://www.cyranet.com/popular/52.html

Nifty ways to dump your lover
http://www.cartoonstock.com/directory/n/nifty_ways_to_dump_your_lover.asp

OK some of the comments I was suggesting the baby "say" may have been overboard, I was just brainstorming, tossing out ideas, I don't intend to use them all. But they may be more appropriate when you understand the kind of person this was intended for.

I honestly don't expect anyone who has had a heart rending break up with someone they truly cared about will want to send this to their ex-lover. But there are many women who have had very unpleasant experiences with guys who are players and real jerks. Guys who's whole reason for being in SL is to see how many women they can seduce and they don't care how many hearts they break along the way. Guys like this deserve to get insulted, "Get a Baby!", or a notice "Your VD test has proven positive" (I love that idea). I know several women who have been hurt by these guys like this and they were my intended target for this product.

At this point I think I will include the take money script with a dollar limit on how much it will take, and make it optional so the Mommy can include it with the baby, or not.

So I take it that in your opinion pregnancy, maternity, birth role play and nurturing babies is weirder then slavery, demeaning women, cruelty, torture and bondage? To each their own.

Girls, young women pretending to have babies, playing with dolls, pretending to be mommies and pregnant, and raising children is all very common in almost every culture in the world. Its only natural that this would carry over into SL. Some women can't have babies in RL, SL allows them to play out those fantasies.

I'm sorry you had such bad experiences. This was not intended to make you feel so terrible.

But there is another side to this too, some of us have had lousy fathers, fathers who perhaps deserved to get something like this. Some of them deserved a slap in the face.

FORGIVING OUR FATHERS

How do we forgive our fathers?
Maybe in a dream?
Do we forgive our fathers for leaving us to often?
Or forever, when we were little?

Maybe for scaring us with unexpected rage, or making us nervous
because there never seemed to be any rage there at all?
Do we forgive our fathers for marrying or not marrying our mothers?
or for divorcing or not divorcing our mothers?

And shall we forgive them for thier excesses of warmth or coldness?
Shall we forgive them for pushing or leaning, or shutting doors?
For speaking thru walls, or never speaking, or never being silent?

Do we forgive our fathers in our age, or in theirs?
Or in thier deaths, saying it to them, or not saying it.
If we forgive our fathers, what is left?

........"Forgiving our Fathers" by Dick Lourie, From the movie "Smoke Signals", 1998, Screenplay by Sherman Alexie

Taken from the book, "The Lone Ranger & Tonto Fist Fight in Heaven"., By Sherman Alexie

I never said there wasn't another side to it. There are a lot of sides to it. That's why I wish you would think about the unintended consequences of this product and the ways that it could be used to really hurt someone who doesn't deserve it. Lana was talking about using it as a joke with her friends because she found it funny and about using it when a guy does something wrong, like leads a woman on without any thoughts as to her feelings. You are talking about situations where a father has remorselessly abandoned his family or has brought violence into the house.

I'm not sure this gift does anything in those cases other than perpetuate the bad feelings and the pain, and that's a best case scenario. Worst case, a woman who has a bone to pick with a guy or who is just bent on causing him as much grief as possible has a tool to really hurt him badly. I just don't personally see an upside to this. I don't think I'm taking Second Life too seriously, either. I don't take much of anything in SL seriously with the one exception being the actual people on the other end. I see this as causing RL pain to people, so I don't like it.

It's your deal, though. Like Lana said, it's clearly not for everyone. She might buy it, and obviously, I won't buy it, but you certainly have every right to make it. From a strictly TOS perspective, that script has the potential for getting you in trouble if someone clicks on the warning and then complains to LL that it took their money. It may not be justified, but you're taking a risk by putting it in there.

My father was absent, to say the least, and I still think this is a pretty craptacular idea.

I think we have concluded that everyone will have a differing opinion about wether or not they like this product

I would like to say though after reading Trouts post..that yes..if i knew him..and sent him one of these...((trying to be funny)) and then found out after the fact that he had these emotional links to inflamatory statements like was thrown out. I'd be terribly embarrassed.

I wanna piss people off...show them rude humor..but no..not hurt them.

I'm sure one of the points that the OP had was to better determine what would be good to add...and what would be bad to add.

-These people definitely need a voice imho and if this product gives them that then more power to you.

~Lana Tomba

Yeah...not gonna be a very popular product, not by a long shot. You may want to find something more popular, like more realistic sex parts for both the guy and the gal...ones that fit each other...

Once you have a decent product, then post it in new products, and tell us where your shop is, and we may have all forgoten this fiasco by then...

Hey guys, I have something I've been working on that I want to get your feedback on. It's called Give Me Your Money. It's a six foot tall flexi mugger that when you click on it and give it permission, it empties your account. What do you think? Hilarious, right?

Would'nt have to be that so tall.

Remember .. Give Em' an inch they'll take a mile


Suckers !!

I wasn't even really remarking on the "take money" option where the receiver is asked plain and simple wether its "ok" or "NO". But i believe the OP stated he was going to make that at an option to be included or not by the giver.

I would never make it an option in a gift I gave anyways without warning the recipient.

Lana

Hmm this would be funny for "you me sechs" newbs, complete with a bogus healthbar hud that starts dropping randomly over next 2 weeks, and itching animations. Could even have a fleas version for us Furries

Hmm I suspect you could be a bad mum too sending your baby in the virtual mails to a guy who would do this
Have to see this end up on Oprah one day

Mother: "HE THREW MY BABY OUT IN THE TRASH!"
Oprah: "Wow, that's low did you get the police involved?"
Mother: Of course not silly, it's only a virtual baby................."

LMAO... so at least your poseballs don´t get pregnant

No - honestly... there are condoms available inworld... maybe try that on your attachements guys

Sorry to quibble just because it doesn't seem to make sense, but why would Mommy need child support payments when Daddy has the baby?
And isn't SL sex always safe sex?