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Daniel Regenbogen
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Join date: 9 Nov 2006
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10-08-2008 00:08
What I think is kinda interesting is, that it always is talked about "child avatars". What about "teen avatars". RL 14yo's or 16yo's don't dress very "childish" anymore, and they do (and are allowed to do) things that can get a roleplayer playing a 14yo or 16yo a punishment by LL, kinda funny.
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Clarissa Lowell
Gone. G'bye.
Join date: 10 Apr 2006
Posts: 3,020
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10-08-2008 01:50
Probably would get the best answers if you ask the person(s) who (mis?)take you for a child av, why they thought so.
Here, we can't see anything but your face, no matter how good your description, confusion can be added to the already subjective judgment we'd each have. (ETA: Ok, I clicked on your pic links Lol. Going only from those pix of course, your av looks like a teen. Whether 13 or 19 would depend on speech, poses, etc.) If an av is often being (mis?)taken for a child av, there is probably a good reason. I tried making my av my real height and was shocked how short it was. I soon went back to being almost 7' tall. Lol. But in SL it's all relative, right? Ponytails, frilly clothes (on a girl), childish clothing, youthful colors/styles, can all add up toward making an av look like a minor. As for the 'curvy shape' the OP mentioned, girls are getting those at 12 or 13 now, even younger if we really want to be blunt about it. So that in itself won't help things, I don't think. Any of the above qualities plus 'poses' or AO like teens might do, are gonna make people think you're a kid. If you plan on going to kid-restricted areas, make your av taller for a while or something, it's up to you. |
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Kara Spengler
Pink Cat
Join date: 11 Jun 2007
Posts: 1,227
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10-08-2008 03:58
Some child figures, especially women use a "sexy walk" override. Children don't walk that way!!! Please! Children walk like children, and they have kid animation overrides too. Making your avatar move childish. Ugh that walk ... Cait has a really good AO but originally that walk was the one with it. So it was quickly changed for something else. |
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Aleister DaSilva
insert witty phrase here
Join date: 19 May 2005
Posts: 168
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10-08-2008 04:09
I have been 5'1" since starting SL almost three years ago. I have been asked a few times if i'm a kid. Once told to read my bio tho i get apologies and nothing more said. *hugs* /me knows you're a munchkin RL too  _____________________
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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10-08-2008 05:12
The sexy outfit makes a child person look adult. So try kids clothes. I found a few good retailers on cute clothes for boys and girls. I believe she was wasn't a kid here, but a doll type. Also the face, on the boy example from "Soji Slade" I've seen. There is a jaw line. So you just took an adult avatar, made it shorter, and that makes you a small adult.  Was that the hobbit mentioned earlier? I dun recall. Some child figures, especially women use a "sexy walk" override. Children don't walk that way!!! Please! I agree. Why do people build it into shoes! Children walk like children, and they have kid animation overrides too. Making your avatar move childish. So what makes a child avatar look like a child? By acting as a child, and making it look and move like a child. A good animator could make a killing, cuz there still is no really good kid AO and still no good kid walk. There's this weird "skip walk" everyone always uses that looks just strange. FWIW, it seems most kids jes pass on AOs altogether after tryin them for a while. _____________________
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Kyrah Abattoir
cruelty delight
Join date: 4 Jun 2004
Posts: 2,786
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10-08-2008 05:15
I'm just totally curious... I know... It's easy to point at Marianne, Loki, Toy, Koffeekid, and say "Those, over there." But, really, what "makes it"? (o.o) Really, when I'm trying to pass as a kid, I'm being told I'm just a little adult. When I'm trying to pass as an adult, I'm told I'm just a tall and overdeveloped kid. My dolly gets yelled at for being a "kid" when she visits the places she likes. And, I know a lot of people here know about my AR history (Got it fixed BTW). (=_=) So.... What exactly makes an avatar a kid avatar? Height: Anything shorter than 6' tall prim-height? (o.o) Features: Soft Jawline? Shy Eyes? Tiny Nose? (o.o) Clothing: Pastel babydolls? Hippie jeans? Mis-matched shoes? (o.o) Behaviour: Ikklespeak? (O.o) I think I've truly found myself in THE gray area now. My current avatar on the surface is 5'6" prim height with the basic mischievous imp face that I usually lean toward. My body is fully developed to around a C cup and well curved hips. Beyond that, I'm not even human at the moment. I just completed my battery pack and relocated my USB jack last night. To the scale of my attachments, I should fit quite nicely in a coffee cup. But... I've already been told, "Someone could think you're just a kid in bondage straps." And it leaves me wondering... Where is the line between [ Kid | Not kid ]? (o.o)   COOL BATTERY PACK, HUH?!?! =^-^= You do look yummy, as for kid or not, who care, most SL avatars are way too tall, and since i shrunk to realistic size (1.72m) everybody think i'm a midget. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
Registered User
Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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10-08-2008 06:49
There is no such thing as a child avatar.
Just adult avatars who resemble kids if you don't look at them too closely. With out the role-play element such as them claiming to be "5 and a half" they are not "children" at all. So adult avatars that resemble kids are just a prop. There is no Child Checkbox, no child sliders, you cant remove the breasts on a female shape, you cant remove the muscular arms on a male shape. Sexual Ageplay is all manufactured by some Weird Residents to indulge in their kink and picked up on by the sensationalist media. It was never the fault of the SL avatar system. There never were any child avatars that had sex in second life. Firstly because you cant have sex in Second Life, and Secondly because there are no Child Avatars. |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
Posts: 2,359
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10-08-2008 07:00
There is no such thing as a child avatar. Just adult avatars who resemble kids if you don't look at them too closely. With out the role-play element such as them claiming to be "5 and a half" they are not "children" at all. So adult avatars that resemble kids are just a prop. There is no Child Checkbox, no child sliders, you cant remove the breasts on a female shape, you cant remove the muscular arms on a male shape. Sexual Ageplay is all manufactured by some Weird Residents to indulge in their kink and picked up on by the sensationalist media. It was never the fault of the SL avatar system. There never were any child avatars that had sex in second life. Firstly because you cant have sex in Second Life, and Secondly because there are no Child Avatars. Im not so sure I can agree with this, or do I think even LL agrees. If this was all true there would be no furry avs, no neko avs. This is a graphical chat with the ability to create. If there is no Child avs why does LL make one of the AR choices 'ageplay'? If there's no child avs how could there be sexual age play. The past panic was due to a few people after sensationalism and caused LL to inflict more rules on a child av than any other group. Saying there can be no child avs is simply a philosophical idea not a fact. _____________________
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Rika Watanabe
Highly improbable
Join date: 3 Jun 2008
Posts: 245
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10-08-2008 07:05
Saying there can be no child avs is simply a philosophical idea not a fact. Um... No, it is a fact. There is no software way to reliably tell between a child avatar and a hobbit. Or a primitar used with a child-scale shape. Now, "sexual ageplay" /is/ a philosophical idea. Mind you, it being a philosophical idea doesn't stop anyone from inflicting rules on people. _____________________
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Kasuga Hax
Hanja Welcome Area Helper
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 284
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10-08-2008 07:06
Well, I do have a very childish looking avatar. Nobody asks me for sex when I'm in child form.
Just because there are no child avatars, doesn't mean you can't look like one. I've seen people "dressed" as the weirdest things and animals. So child avatars do exist. It's your mind that makes it a child, for the rest is just a bunch of pixels bound together. I do am getting sick of nosy parcel admins, constantly ejecting me for being a child, whilst there are no sexual or mature things going on. For that I have adult avatars. It's their loss, because I try to visit their shops, to buy stuff. It's not my problem the good stores are on mature parcels. There also are NO real children under 13 on the main grid, because if they are, they should get banned. I never chatted with anyone saying they were under 18. Not because I don't want to, but they simply aren't there. _____________________
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
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10-08-2008 07:11
Im not so sure I can agree with this, or do I think even LL agrees. If this was all true there would be no furry avs, no neko avs. This is a graphical chat with the ability to create. If there is no Child avs why does LL make one of the AR choices 'ageplay'? If there's no child avs how could there be sexual age play. The past panic was due to a few people after sensationalism and caused LL to inflict more rules on a child av than any other group. Saying there can be no child avs is simply a philosophical idea not a fact. Because LL is confused. |
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Kasuga Hax
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Join date: 6 Aug 2007
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10-08-2008 07:19
Um... No, it is a fact. There is no software way to reliably tell between a child avatar and a hobbit. Or a primitar used with a child-scale shape. Now, "sexual ageplay" /is/ a philosophical idea. Mind you, it being a philosophical idea doesn't stop anyone from inflicting rules on people. Yes, in fact humping pixels shouldn't be an offence. But the mindfuck here is simple. You pose as an adult, and have sex with a tiny person. Which in your head translates to a child, but the actual player is just an adult as you are. This is where SL got into problems regarding child sexplay. It's not against the law to pose pixels that are controlled by two grown adults. But the thought makes it illegal. Thinking is not a crime. Get the dilemma? So don't have sex with avatars that look like a child. It's an unpleasant sight to add with. Because others might feel disturbed. Let's not take SL back to real-life. Just have fun, and don't worry too much. If I ever see age play with sex involved, I'll just report the persons involved. People need to get their minds out of the gutter.  _____________________
Reality is an illusion, caused due to lack of alcohol.
Als een rommelig bureau een rommelige geest betekent, wat betekent dan een leeg bureau? De kwaliteitsverbeteringsinitiatieven. |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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10-08-2008 07:19
Because LL is confused. cant argue there hehe Um... No, it is a fact. There is no software way to reliably tell between a child avatar and a hobbit. Or a primitar used with a child-scale shape. Now, "sexual ageplay" /is/ a philosophical idea. Mind you, it being a philosophical idea doesn't stop anyone from inflicting rules on people. Fact is there is actually no reason for SL to exits, yet it does. _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Colette Meiji
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Join date: 25 Mar 2005
Posts: 15,556
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10-08-2008 07:22
I would say there are definite Child Role-players.
But Child Avatars don't really exist. Should they? Might be nice, there are all sorts of appearance problems using Adult shapes as a substitute. |
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
Posts: 7,145
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10-08-2008 07:29
There also are NO real children under 13 on the main grid, because if they are, they should get banned. I never chatted with anyone saying they were under 18. Not because I don't want to, but they simply aren't there. Really? Cuz I have. None of em were kid avvies, though. Nice to meetcha, BTW, Kasuga. Surprised I've not seen you around a lot of the kid spaces or the Hanja welcome area. Might be nice, there are all sorts of appearance problems using Adult shapes as a substitute. Serrriously. I'd so love a better mesh. _____________________
"There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |
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Kasuga Hax
Hanja Welcome Area Helper
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
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10-08-2008 07:29
There are tons of ways to make your avatar look like anything at all.
So if child avatars don't officially exist as a choice, you can make one yourself. And so, anything exists in SL. But every newbie is an adult to start with. Whatever you do with that form afterwards is your own creativity. _____________________
Reality is an illusion, caused due to lack of alcohol.
Als een rommelig bureau een rommelige geest betekent, wat betekent dan een leeg bureau? De kwaliteitsverbeteringsinitiatieven. |
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Kasuga Hax
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Join date: 6 Aug 2007
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10-08-2008 07:32
Really? Cuz I have. None of em were kid avvies, though. You were a child once, everybody was. And what do children love to do the most? Posing as adults. No child wants to be a child in a game like SL. So they rather chose to be adult, because for them, that is new. Just like so many women and men, use opposite genders in SL, because, IT'S NEW And because you can._____________________
Reality is an illusion, caused due to lack of alcohol.
Als een rommelig bureau een rommelige geest betekent, wat betekent dan een leeg bureau? De kwaliteitsverbeteringsinitiatieven. |
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Toy LaFollette
I eat paintchips
Join date: 11 Feb 2004
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10-08-2008 07:32
I would say there are definite Child Role-players. But Child Avatars don't really exist. Should they? Might be nice, there are all sorts of appearance problems using Adult shapes as a substitute. I doubt if there will ever be a appearance tool for 'child av' seems to me then there would have to be a tool for every type of av one wants to be. Yes the RP aspect is very important for being a child av! At the same time we are also adults, the only part of us that are childlike is how we wish to be percieved. The more time I spend with some child av groups makes me feel so welcomed and any child av is important to those groups. Some of us are simply more outspoken than others, but hey we're kids _____________________
"So you see, my loyalty lies with Second Life, not with Linden Lab. Where I perceive the actions of Linden Lab to be in conflict with the best interests of Second Life, I side with Second Life."-Jacek
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Marianne McCann
Feted Inner Child
Join date: 23 Feb 2006
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10-08-2008 08:02
The more time I spend with some child av groups makes me feel so welcomed and any child av is important to those groups. Some of us are simply more outspoken than others, but hey we're kids ...an we're jes kiddin' around.  You were a child once, everybody was. And what do children love to do the most? Posing as adults. No child wants to be a child in a game like SL. So they rather chose to be adult, because for them, that is new. Just like so many women and men, use opposite genders in SL, because, IT'S NEW And because you can.My point exactly _____________________
"There's nothing objectionable nor illegal in having a child-like avatar in itself and we must assume innocence until proof of the contrary." - Lewis PR Linden "If you find children offensive, you're gonna have trouble in this world " - Prospero Linden |
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Imnotgoing Sideways
Can't outlaw cute! =^-^=
Join date: 17 Nov 2007
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10-08-2008 08:05
...Nice to meetcha, BTW, Kasuga. Surprised I've not seen you around a lot of the kid spaces or the Hanja welcome area. ....Serrriously. I'd so love a better mesh. _____________________
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Kasuga Hax
Hanja Welcome Area Helper
Join date: 6 Aug 2007
Posts: 284
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10-09-2008 07:25
Yup, the Unreal Avatar is what I use the most. Kiki sells it at Ferguson Island.
I also have a few others I commonly switch to. I'm online on SL between 5 pm and 12 pm CET Time. (Tomorrow the entire day )And mostly just hopping around Hanja centre to help newbies. _____________________
Reality is an illusion, caused due to lack of alcohol.
Als een rommelig bureau een rommelige geest betekent, wat betekent dan een leeg bureau? De kwaliteitsverbeteringsinitiatieven. |