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Jaszon Maynard
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03-12-2008 10:00
I see a number of posts on here about Inventory loss.

However, if you are a free/Basic account (I joined 2/18/08 & am still at Basic right now), if you lose items (I have), Linden cares not the slightest bit. You can't submit a ticket about it. Even though Basic users support the Linden economy. I buy items, I rent land, I donate to regions I care about.

Linden DOES want tickets from Premium members, because at the least it helps them track down bugs that affect everyone. Why don't they accept the same troubleshooting data from Basic users?

Fine, I spend real $ at Linden, but since I'm Basic, I'm a 3rd class citizen and my US$ are value-less, & they will make no attempt to help me get back my items. Ok. But why not at least take a report so you can fix the bug which is throwing away my money? Of course, the more of my money that Linden throws away, the sooner I leave Second Life.

If you agree that Linden should accept "Inventory missing" tickets from Basic users, please vote for the feature request I put in at Linden, here:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-532
Tarina Sewell
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03-12-2008 10:07
From: Jaszon Maynard
I see a number of posts on here about Inventory loss.

However, if you are a free/Basic account (I joined 2/18/08 & am still at Basic right now), if you lose items (I have), Linden cares not the slightest bit. You can't submit a ticket about it. Even though Basic users support the Linden economy. I buy items, I rent land, I donate to regions I care about.

Linden DOES want tickets from Premium members, because at the least it helps them track down bugs that affect everyone. Why don't they accept the same troubleshooting data from Basic users?

Fine, I spend real $ at Linden, but since I'm Basic, I'm a 3rd class citizen and my US$ are value-less, & they will make no attempt to help me get back my items. Ok. But why not at least take a report so you can fix the bug which is throwing away my money? Of course, the more of my money that Linden throws away, the sooner I leave Second Life.

If you agree that Linden should accept "Inventory missing" tickets from Basic users, please vote for the feature request I put in at Linden, here:
http://jira.secondlife.com/browse/WEB-532


well, I own land have a prem account and guess what ... no replies to my support tickets. So that blows that theory.
And seriously, what is 10.00 a month? well... 2 gal of gas soon, but hey just stay home and shop rl stuff online and meet people on SL.. hold board meetings..etc etc...
Oryx Tempel
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03-12-2008 10:23
Just out of curiosity, how does stuff missing in Inventory display? Like, you're missing the right shoe from a set? The skirt from an outfit? I've never (knock wood) lost anything out of my Inventory.
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Nika Talaj
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03-12-2008 10:31
I'm a Basic user, and actually I don't agree. I think it is perfectly reasonable for LL to only deliver meaningful support to customers who pay them directly.

I'm in SL for entertainment and only have a 4K where I built my little thingies ... and frankly have been lucky enough that I never needed any more support from SL than Basics get.

I do recognize that this is more due to luck than anything else, and at this point Nika's inventory may be worth enough to me (not monetarily, just because of the time spent collecting the eclectic pile of doodads that I know very well) that I may want to pony up $70 just to have the right to call LL should it all go missing some day. And that would not break my heart or my wallet :)
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Cunundrum Alcott
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03-12-2008 10:33
From: Oryx Tempel
Just out of curiosity, how does stuff missing in Inventory display? Like, you're missing the right shoe from a set? The skirt from an outfit? I've never (knock wood) lost anything out of my Inventory.


I've had things go missing during upgrades and later return but nothing missing completely either. Why do I get the feeling like missing = lost somewhere in inventory.
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Ann Launay
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03-12-2008 10:41
You (the OP) do have access to fun articles like this though:

From: someone
Inventory: Complete recovery steps and information about perceived loss

This article contains a list of steps you can take in order to retrieve lost inventory. While some of the steps presented may not appear to be relevant to your type of inventory loss, you should read through the entire article and follow all applicable steps. None of the procedures here can damage your inventory, so when in doubt, try them all!

COMMON SOLUTIONS
Clearing Second Life's cache

Second Life uses hard drive space on your computer to store data, including a list of items in your inventory. If this cache becomes corrupted or your Viewer did not completely fetch your inventory, items in your inventory may erroneously appear to be missing. In many cases, your items are not lost and will reappear after you clear Second Life's cache:

1. Go to Edit > Preferences on the menu bar
2. Click the Network tab
3. Click the Clear Cache button
4. Exit Second Life
5. Log back into Second Life
6. Wait in place for 5 minutes; Second Life needs to reload much of your previously cached information.


Object Missing From Database Error Message

If you get an "Object Missing From Database" error message when you rez an item from your inventory then sometimes the system notices this error and is able to automatically recover your missing object. However, in order to see if Second Life was able to recover your missing object, you will need to wait two hours, clear your cache as described above, log out and then log back in and look in your Inventory Window to see if the object has reappeared.

Region issues

The Region you are in may be experiencing technical difficulties, especially in high traffic areas. This behavior can prevent you from rezzing items from your inventory. If you are unable to escape to another Region, exit Second Life and log back into a different Region:

1. Go to Edit > Preferences on the menu bar
2. Click the General tab
3. Turn on the option Show Start Location on Login Screen
4. Exit Second Life
5. Launch Second Life, but don't connect yet
6. Enter Sandbox Newcomb, or another known Region name, into Start Location
7. Click Connect

Try to find a Region with a low Traffic score and relatively few objects- such Regions generally experience less strain, and are less likely to exhibit symptoms like inventory loss.

PERCEIVED INVENTORY LOSS

Sometimes it may only appear that you have lost part of your inventory, because outside forces can prevent Second Life from displaying your inventory properly. Remember that the common solutions and search techniques covered in this article can often solve a case of perceived inventory loss!

Connectivity problems

An unstable Internet connection can lead to apparent inventory loss in Second Life. High packet loss may cause your inventory to be unable to retrieve a complete list of items from Second Life's servers. Wireless and satellite connections are unsupported for this reason, and other forms of internet connectivity may yield similar results.

Alternately, there may be a temporary problem with Second Life or your connection to the Internet itself. If the lists of items in your Inventory usually loads without incident, temporary inventory loss may resolve within 24 hours. In addition, clear your cache as described in Clearing Second Life's Cache, log out, and then log back in to see if your items have reappeared in your Inventory window.

Inventory Item Count

The item count in your Inventory window is not always precise. It represents the number of items that have been successfully downloaded to your Viewer. Thus, if the number changes, it does not necessarily mean that you have lost or gained any inventory items. If you notice that the number has dropped significantly and the Viewer has finished fetching your items, then try clearing Second Life's cache as described in Clearing Second Life's Cache. Log out, then log back in to see if your items have reappeared.

Note: Linden Lab does not have the ability to restore or replace lost items that can't be restored using the steps in this article. We also cannot reimburse you for any lost inventory

(Dear god, please let them get the KB out of the Support Portal soon. Kthxbai))

You can also submit tickets on *some* issues, just not this particular one. In addition to cache clearing (which you should repeat a few times for maximum efficacy), also try deleting the folder at C:\Documents and Settings\'User Name'\Application Data\SecondLife*. If you keep logs and let them save to the default location, you should move them out of this folder prior to deleting it.



*It's somewhere else in Vista, but I don't know that path.
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Oryx Tempel
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03-12-2008 10:57
From: Cunundrum Alcott
I've had things go missing during upgrades and later return but nothing missing completely either. Why do I get the feeling like missing = lost somewhere in inventory.

Yup, and when reading Ann's quote above from the KB, I realize that I have seen some of these error messages, but the stuff always, and I mean ALWAYS comes back after a while.
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Cunundrum Alcott
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03-12-2008 11:17
The worst is inventory stuck together caused from autoreturn. I swear I have thrown Objects away that probably had something good inside them :)
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Jaszon Maynard
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03-12-2008 11:43
From: Nika Talaj
I'm a Basic user, and actually I don't agree. I think it is perfectly reasonable for LL to only deliver meaningful support to customers who pay them directly.


I'll accept if Linden does nothing to ever help me recover MY lost items (though I still think that's stupid...if no Basic user were putting money into L$ then Linden itself would be financially hurt), shouldn't they at least want to collect as much data as possible about loss to help them fix the problem for ALL users, Premium & Basic? And so they should accept info from ALL users, even if they [stupidly] only actively act to protect the RL $ of Premium users.
Cunundrum Alcott
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03-12-2008 11:49
IMO your stuff is probably buried and your just not finding it.
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03-12-2008 11:59
From: Cunundrum Alcott
I've had things go missing during upgrades and later return but nothing missing completely either. Why do I get the feeling like missing = lost somewhere in inventory.

Heh. Lost somewhere in inventory? When your inventory number mysteriously drops something like 20K, and you simply can't find the items in your inventory? Still stuck somewhere in my inventory, are they?

I lost 90% of my inventory in my original account. What does it look like? Well, 90% smaller inventory, that is what it looks like.

And that "clearing cache" and all the rest didn't make it reappear.

90% of my inventory "mysteriously" became hidden in the 10% of inventory that remained in my inventory? Wow, neat trick. Um. No.
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Kathy Morellet
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03-12-2008 12:22
From: Oryx Tempel
Just out of curiosity, how does stuff missing in Inventory display? Like, you're missing the right shoe from a set? The skirt from an outfit? I've never (knock wood) lost anything out of my Inventory.


I have a pair of pants and one complete outfit that went missing from my inventory. The folders they were in are still there but the folders are totally empty. I know the names and have searched. I've done all of the steps outlined but, nearly two full months later, they are still missing.

That is how stuff missing in inventory displays, as empty folders that once had things in them.
Colette Meiji
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03-12-2008 12:24
My friend lost a lot of inventory as a SIM owner , and there was nothing LL could do.

So, I am not sure that free/basic residents are all that much worse off.

All they miss out on is someone telling them "sorry, there is nothing we can do"
Jaszon Maynard
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03-12-2008 13:59
From: Colette Meiji
My friend lost a lot of inventory as a SIM owner , and there was nothing LL could do.


I realize they may not recover stuff...or not even try for Basic users. But they stress timely & detailed reports (what time, what location, what item) can help them fix bugs. I want to see bugs fixed. But I'm not even allowed to help them in that regard since I'm Basic.

Luckily nothing I've lost so far was expensive, just time-consuming to get (& time IS money). I'm just worried about the next time.

If you want to see what kind of info they want, see the bottom of this page:
"Inventory: Complete recovery steps and information about perceived loss"
https://support.secondlife.com/ics/support/KBAnswer.asp?questionID=4578
Cristalle Karami
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03-12-2008 14:44
I'm sorry but why SHOULD you be treated equally to someone who is premium, or concierge? Your money isn't valueless but clearly you are not as invested as someone who take the extra few steps to pay into the system. Inventory loss is a terrible thing and I feel for you. I think it's unacceptable that anyone should lose their inventory, no matter what their status.

The gripe about not being able to help them fix bugs is valid. It is illogical that they cannot get bug information from the largest class of members and purport to think that they can fix the system.

However the intonation about being a third class citizen, I have no sympathy for.
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Jaszon Maynard
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03-12-2008 14:55
From: Cristalle Karami
Your money isn't valueless but clearly you are not as invested as someone who take the extra few steps to pay into the system.

There's TONS of things Basics can't ask for. Basics can only submit tickets about just a few things. I'm fine with that. But if they want people who are "trying it out" (I joined 2/18/08) to ever start paying, and if they want people who are permanently Basic to spend money in SL, then they better either: A) Not throw our RL $ away (fix the bugs); or B) Help us recover our RL $ just like they do for Premium members (& I realize they can't always do much to help Premium members either with loss...which is lame).

From: Cristalle Karami
The gripe about not being able to help them fix bugs is valid. It is illogical that they cannot get bug information from the largest class of members and purport to think that they can fix the system.

Well then for that reason alone you should vote for my request, and encourage others to do so as well. The next occurrence of a bug could well hit YOUR Inventory. My feature request does not demand that they help Basics recover (though I think they should), just that we get to submit data just like a Premium, so you shouldn't find my request objectionable. I would at least like Linden to take down our data, whether they're going to act on it for recovery can be a whole separate issue.
Brenda Connolly
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03-12-2008 15:27
There's no reason to not get input from all residents regardless of payment status, especially when that group may be the majority of residents, but it is consisitent with LL thinking, just as there is no reason not to let all residents read this forum.

I have no problem with different tiers of customer service, RL Companies do it all the time. I just downgraded after a year of Premium. I don't really need the Premium service, I don't make stuff, own a business or own Mainland and if my inventory poofs...oh well. Easy come, easy go.
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Nika Talaj
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03-12-2008 15:41
Jaszon, welcome to SL, btw! LL does not refuse to take information on bugs from Basic accounts. You do it via Jira, which you seem comfortable using :)

You can put all your info re: reproducing your particular incident in a comment on an existing bug -- if you have a good enough bug repro then a developer will sometimes contact you for more info. The meta-issue for inventory loss is SVC-114 (SL Jira meta-issues act as directories for bug reports on bugs which have many different flavors). Find the bug which fits your scenario, or start a new one and link it into SVC-114.

However, you are right in assuming that LL will make no effort to restore the inventory of a Basic account.

Sorry you had to encounter this wretched issue so soon in your SL!
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03-12-2008 15:51
From: Oryx Tempel
Yup, and when reading Ann's quote above from the KB, I realize that I have seen some of these error messages, but the stuff always, and I mean ALWAYS comes back after a while.

I'm missing over 15k items.. for over 6 months some close to a year.. it does NOT always come back..
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03-12-2008 15:54
I'm sure I speak for all Premium members when I express our hopes that the OP's inventory will recover. And I hope the OP will forgive us if we don't appear as sympathetic as one might wish. It's not that we don't care, exactly, but... once one is settled in the high-backed soft leather chairs here in the muted lighting of the club library, with the perfect vintage port to compliment the cigars, it can be rather a burden to find empathy for those less comfortably well-off. :rolleyes:
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03-12-2008 15:57
From: Qie Niangao
I'm sure I speak for all Premium members when I express our hopes that the OP's inventory will recover. And I hope the OP will forgive us if we don't appear as sympathetic as one might wish. It's not that we don't care, exactly, but... once one is settled in the high-backed soft leather chairs here in the muted lighting of the club library, with the perfect vintage port to compliment the cigars, it can be rather a burden to find empathy for those less comfortably well-off. :rolleyes:

That's why I quit Premium, the Cigar smoke just became too much.
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03-12-2008 16:00
From: Qie Niangao
I'm sure I speak for all Premium members when I express our hopes that the OP's inventory will recover. And I hope the OP will forgive us if we don't appear as sympathetic as one might wish. It's not that we don't care, exactly, but... once one is settled in the high-backed soft leather chairs here in the muted lighting of the club library, with the perfect vintage port to compliment the cigars, it can be rather a burden to find empathy for those less comfortably well-off. :rolleyes:


gawd I am SO glad I'm not as bigoted as that LOL
I have always found the basic account menerbers to be WAY the heck more cool then us so called premiums lol
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03-12-2008 16:03
Also you could look at it this way, if every member was premium, just how well would premium members be looked after?

I think one should be pleased not many are premium members, remember that and be thankful and not have a go at those who complain of bad service whatever kind of member they are, stiff or limp, stuff still comes out the end.
Jaszon Maynard
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03-12-2008 17:09
From: Nika Talaj
LL does not refuse to take information on bugs from Basic accounts. You do it via Jira, which you seem comfortable using :)

That won't help. No one, Premium nor Basic, is allowed to keep an open issue on JIRA about a SPECIFIC instance of Inventory loss. It will be closed and you will be told to submit a ticket at Support.

You can talk about general, reproducible bugs on JIRA...I have even linked relevant issues to the meta-issue you mention.

But to get debugging info (I'm a programmer, so I know how this works), Linden DOES need, and want, SPECIFIC tickets at Support, hopefully timely, so they can rush to diagnose. Since these types of things aren't reproducible, the only way to track them down is gather data when they happen and try to investigate them pretty much immediately.

As it stands, no Basic member can give them that specific data, because we cannot submit such a ticket at Support.

We should be allowed to, they'll get more data, and hopefully quash the bugs sooner.
Cunundrum Alcott
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03-13-2008 09:54
Jaszon you sure know alot for someone who just started playing.
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