Stolen business name?

Too bad there's no business name checker in SL... what are the chances that you'll create a name that's never been used before? More than half of the shops on SL doesn't even appear in search.

I can just see it

LL would announce it - and there would be no charge to register.
People would register 1000's of business names and then sell them to people who wanted a "good" business name.
The big operators would automate the process, registering 10's of 1000's of word combinations.

Whether or not this is one of the considerations for LL in not permitting the transfer of avatar accounts, who knows?

I think you misunderstood me. The "bias" I mentioned, if it exists at all, is by any mod who read my request and didn't lock the thread. I didn't mean ordinary forum users.

Can't you follow your own train of thought, Sling? You posted that my causing other pages to drop in the rankings causes those people harm. I said it doesn't. Methods were nothing to do with it. I understand you trying to make methods part of it, because you do exactly the same thing, and your point was shown to be wrong.

So stop trying switch streams mid-discussion. If you want to discuss methods, start another thread.

The quickest way to get a thread locked/removed is to go to live chat and ask them to do it. I did it once for a thread (not even mine) on xsl that went out of control and it was removed within 10 minutes (oddly enough that was to do with Vryl too)

As for Vryl, it could have been either self preservation (a lot of threads I've seen relating to her usually descend into a vitriol that is unbeatable) or to support for one of the companies who provide items for the library (as the company she represents does).

most likely though it was just a quick live chat that did it.

you are terrible!

My main issue is that LL puts its poorly thought out policies in and encourages resident to turn on resident as a way of managing the policy. I don't like their approach. If there are issues with the way people are acting in response to the policy then it needs to be taken up with LL and the policy needs to be amended. The rest just feeds LL desire to see us divided and fighting amongst ourselves.

No, as I understand the process, if Phil asks our Intellectual Property Office to submit an application on his behalf for protection of a UK trade mark through the World Intellectual Property Organisation (WIPO) under the Madrid System, that automatically gets his UK trade mark recognised in all the countries participating in the Madrid System where there's no local objection to recognising it.

So, assuming there's no Prim Savers registered in the USA and that Prim Savers is a registerable trade mark there, all Phil has to do to get his claim recognised by the US Trade Mark authorities (and about 100-odd other countries who are signed up to the scheme) is to register his TM here and then pay our IPO an additional £40 (I think), fill in a couple of forms and ask them to do the rest.

What do you have to do?

Now here's a thing....

Is the use of Primsavers to sell low-prim furniture in SL an illegal infringement of Prim Savers?
If it is, then Phil doesn't have to do anything other than submit a formal complaint to LL, possibly backed up by a court order.

If it might only become illegal at some future date after Phil belatedly registers a mark in the UK and successfully extends it to LL's jurisdiction, then it isn't illegal now.

I wouldn't have thought that would work, because locking a thread needs a forum mod or admin - all Lindens shouldn't be able to do it.

It doesn't matter either way. Floyd has made it perfectly clear that he will continue using the PrimSavers name regardless, and LL will probably do nothing because they don't have to.

Incidentally, someone thought that Floyd buddied up to some Linden or other. He didn't. He just used Live Chat, and the Linden at the other end suggested that he mute and AR me - same as the Linden I spoke to in Live Chat originally suggested that I AR him.

You still way up here on page 1, Phil?

Of the forum? Yep We had a local area blackout yesterday evening. It only lasted a few minutes but when the power came back, all my cable delivered services were dead - phone, TV, and internet. It was the area's services that were dead, of course. So I just made a couple of catching up posts. It'll drop down now, I think.

They would have to do something if what he was doing was illegal.
We're back to you asking someone to "do the right thing".

Some posts back you were saying that "the difference" was that what he was doing was illegal - that the silence of the TOS didn't matter because RL laws reached into SL.

If what he is doing is not against the rules - the TOS or the law, then by your own very clearly stated position on right and wrong, he is not doing anything wrong.

Awww. Bummer....
It's quite fun to see you ranking in the Forums

That's correct - RL law does reach into SL. But this concerns civil laws - not criminal laws. LL would deal with criminal laws, of course, but they don't have to adjudicate on civil laws.

They have to act on orders from civil courts.

Story so far: Floyd has not broken any TOS or law apparently, therefore by your clearly stated standards, he has done nothing wrong.

Perhaps if you are successful in registering a mark, having that accepted in the USA and getting a court to agree that it takes precedence over his marks, then you can get a court order.
If you are successful in getting a court order against him, then the furthest back in time that you can take the breach of civil law is to the time at which your mark was accepted in the USA.

So... right now, and for some time to come... and maybe forever...by your stated standards... he has done nothing wrong.
So why are you complaining about what he has done?

That's right. I said they don't have to adjudicate on civil laws/matters.

Wong. He certainly has broken the law.

Only if Floyd has broken the law (see above).

Wrong (see the next bit).

Wrong. You don't seem to have realised that it isn't necessary to register a trademark in order for someone to infringe it according to the law. All that registering does is make it easier to prove the claim.

I don't recall complaining. At first I asked a question. When the questions were answered, here and elsewhere, I made statements.

Btw, Sling. Whether or not Floyd has broken any laws has been done to death already. Would you like to stop discussing that now? We can agree to differ if you like.

What do you mean by "if"? I understood you to say that he had *certainly* broken it.



But if he "has certainly broken the law", why is "easier" required?


You asked Floyd to "do the right thing".






Despite the doing to death, the question of him breaking the law has not been resolved.

The question of whether or not something is against the rules is important, as it formed the central brick wall for your defence of Search gaming for two years.

Will you now either
1) Withdraw any allegation that Floyd has done anything wrong
or
2) Prove that he has broken the rules - which by your definition is the only measure of wrongdoing.
or
3) Accept that something can be wrong even if it not against the rules

You'd first need to know whether it's a trademarkable name though: Google shows "prim savers" being used as a synonym for "temp rezzers" as far back as early 2007 and temp rezzers are used with furniture, additionally a few furniture creators seem to be advertising (relatively) low prim furniture as "prim saver" as well.

You can't dismiss that it might just be a generic term (ie "I just bought a bunch of 1 prim chairs. They're real prim savers." isn't going to be taken to mean that those chairs come from your store but rather that they help cut down on prim usage).

If it is a trademarkable name and you can assert ownership on a globally then it's still only just "alleged infringement" until a court rules in your favour and it's only then that your "has allegedly broken the law" becomes an actual "has broken the law".

He has. The "if" was for you.

You didn't know that things have to proved in a court? Having a registered TM makes it easier to do that.

That's right. As I said, I don't recall complaining.

Do you think it will resloved here?

Rules? You switched streams again, Sling.

Don't be stupid.

Rules? You switched streams again, Sling.

Rules? Don't be stupid. You switched streams again, Sling.

You made a mistake. That is "Prim Saver", of which prim savers if the plural. Also, it is a totally different type of item. It was mentioned earlier in the thread. Your connection with low prim furniture is irrelevant.

As I said, I am 95% sure that "Prim Savers" is far enough removed form every day language that it's a registerable trademark.

they didn't. they contacted the responsible staff member.

All right, while you were busy talking nonsense on forums, I did the right thing and spoke with a lawyer.
If you want to talk law, start using legal terms.

Everyone is presumed innocent unless proven guilty in a court of law. I suggest you tone down by a lot.

The above quote is libel. It would be slander if you were in voice chat, here is libel. Wanna talk law? This is law.

A libel case is MUCH easier to handle in court than a complicated trademark issue when there is no trademark to begin with. And much less costly.

But... I'll be the nice guy here, and start by demanding that you do what Sling suggested few posts after this one quoted. I don't bother asking nicely. I demand it in order not to consider a libel case.

Next:





Do I sense racism here? Fine, the correct legal term is intolerance, but widely referred to as racism. The lawyer finds this very very suspect.

And you come to me talking about law? You serious?



So, as Sling suggested, I'm waiting for an apology (I'm not joking).

Learn to use words such as allegedly, or in my humble opinion (even though this is not acceptable legal term).

Start by issuing that and retracting your statements that are so vehemently stated as fundamental truth when they are just your opinion.

And think many times before you write from now on.

Are you familiar with the term "piss off"? If not, I suggest you look it up and find out what it means. Naaa... I'll save you the trouble ... You can demand all you want but you'll get nothing - no apology, no retractions - nothing. And you broke the law. Ok?

Btw, in order for a statement to be libel, it has to be a false statement. Also, it must be published of an identifiable individual. Who are you? How much are you paying that lawyer? You should demand your money back

One more thing. "Certain peoples" have reputations here. You can call those reputations what you want, but you're just whistling in the wind.